Doubt dissolver Dialogue between Bhaktha & Swami (part-2)

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"This series of dialogues with Baba, published in the magazine originally in

Telugu, unravels the mysteries of spiritual truth and lovingly removes the mist

that hides the vision of aspirants. Perused with care and faith, these dialogues

are bound to clarify, reinforce and convince. May the perusal lead you nearer

and nearer the goal." N. Kasturi,

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Bhaktha: Namaskaram, Swami.Swami: Happy to see you. You seem very tired and in

this summer, travel is even more exhausting. Take rest for a little while, we

can converse thereafter.

Bhaktha: When there is no peace of mind where can rest be got?Swami: Well my

boy, rest is for the sake of peace of mind. Once you have that peace, where is

the need for rest? There is need for a bandage until the wound heals; after

that, what is its use?

Bhaktha: Swami, just now my mind is restless. I cannot decide upon anything. I

do not know what the reason is. What shall I do?Swami: Well, no effect can take

place without a cause. You do certainly know the cause of your present

condition... Well, nothing else need be done: At such times of mental pain, do

Namasmarana for a while sitting in a lonely place; or sing Bhajan songs loudly

in a raised voice; or if that is not possible, spread the bed and sleep for

some time. Thereafter you can think about all this.

Bhaktha: You have told us that in this world, each one has some dearly loved

thing or other, and that if any harm comes upon that thing, peace of mind

cannot be had... How then can I have peace of mind, when something happens like

this... another person either disrespecting my dearly loved thing, or finding

fault with it? What am I to do then?Swami: Well. A good person who has

understood what is Atmavichara will not blame like this the things that others

love. Nor will he even associate with such men. For he would argue within

himself, that when he blames another's Ishtam, he will feel as much pain as he

himself feels when his own Ishtam is blamed. Therefore, be at peace with

yourself, realising that those who abuse like this are people ignorant of

Atmavichara. Engaged as you are in Atmavichara, you have nothing to do with

ignorant persons who do not know Atmavichara... Well. Let it go. What has

really happened to cause all this? The whole trouble will end, if what is

inside comes out.

Bhaktha: The world knows well how You are vouchsafing courage and daring and

guiding men to do good spiritually, physically, and mentally; how You have

rendered educational and medical help. You have never done any harm; nor caused

harm to any one in any form... How to suppress the persons who invent and spread

all kinds of silly stories about such as You? Do they gain anything by

this?Swami: Oh. So this is the story! Well don't you know that good and bad are

of the very nature of the world? If all are engaged in selling, who will be the

buyers? With regard to God, fault finding has come down from the beginning of

time; it is not new; only, present day persons might manufacture some new

tales. Well, why should you take to heart such abuse? Take it that they are

only remembering Swami by this means. Premasmarana and Dweshasmarana are two

types. Of these, Dweshasmarana is Avidyamaya; it is related to Rajoguna.

Premasmarana is Vidyamaya; it is related to Sathwaguna. Avidyamaya results in

Dukha; Vidyamaya results in Ananda. Their results are indicated there itself.

Now, why should you suppress? You asked about the gain isn't it? They don't

need any gain; finding fault with others has become their habit; they do it as

their duty. As the saying goes, What does the moth care or gain, whether the

Sari costs a hundred Tankas or is cheap? To gnaw and tear is its nature . The

moth tears equally a costly sari or a rag. Does it know the value of things?

Its work is such. So be at peace, realising that the work of these faultfinders

is the same as the work of these moths.

Bhaktha: Swami! What You said is the truth. We can take it that ignorant

persons, when they behave like this, are of the brood of moths. But, when

people who are well educated, who are great, who know, when these are devoting

themselves to spreading such stories, how can it be endured?Swami: Learning

means Atmajnana; it is not the knowledge of thing related to the world, which

trains for a living, and is useful as basis for a living. To compare Atmajnana

with such Vidyas is a great mistake. Great men are those who do not abuse

others, who search for the reality with good intentions. Spiritual matters

cannot be understood by those without the power of discrimination, who are

puffed up with the authority they have; or by those who are unaware of any

Atmajnana. So consider those whom you described as educated and great as

belonging to the brood mentioned above and, without yielding place to such

ideas and worries, engage yourself in strengthening your belief.

Bhaktha: Many Asthikas in this world are changing into Nasthikas on account of

such people, isn't it, Swami? Is there no weapon to put down these persons, who

without any regard for their own learning and without any effort to know the

reality, abuse the Mahapurushas?Swami: Why? There is. A load of rags is placed

on a ragged saddle , is the saying. The words of such persons will be listened

to only by such persons; no real Asthika will associate with them. Even if they

do, they will move far away as soon as they understand that those stories are

fictious. So, the weapon to put down these persons is in their own hands.

Haven't you heard the story of Bhasmasura? Placing his hand on every one's

head, he reduced them to ashes; finally, placing it on his own head, he himself

was reduced to ashes! Similarly, accusing others, they themselves will be

finally accused by their own words.

Those who find fault with the Lord are of four types:

Persons who have no interest at all in matters related to God. Persons who on

account of individual spite cannot endure another's greatness. Those who have

neither personal experience nor contact nor knowledge of anything and so merely

manufacture stories based on hearsay to which they have become enslaved. Persons

who come with some worldly desire, and who accuse the Lord, as an excuse for the

failure caused by their own destiny.

Only these four types of people clamour as you say; the others will not shout or

jump about like puppets. Even if they do not have personal experience, when they

hear such stories, they will just analyse them within themselves and arrive at

conclusions, for their own satisfaction. They won't abuse others.

It is not the correct path - to disbelieve one's own mind and give room therein

to another's words. Besides, there is no profit in discussing with those who do

not know the reality. As a matter of fact, reality does not admit of any

discussion at all. To argue with those who do not know either but who are in

the intermediate stage is like seeing the trunk and believing it to be the

entire body, as in the story of the blind men and the elephant.

Well. Note this! It is not good to spend time in this type of conversation.

Abuse and faultfinding are natural and common. Knowing this, those who aspire

to become true Bhakthas should search only for bases on which to build their

Ananda. All the available time should be used for holy purposes, it should not

be wasted. You have nothing to do with the good and the bad in others. Instead

of wasting the time, it should be utilised to discard the bad and develop the

good in you.

Ask me about some Sadhana or Sandesha which you need and seek something that is

worthwhile. Hereafter do not bring near me such stories of faultfinding

indulged in by others. You too should not take in such things.

Bhaktha: All this happened because we too have the same human nature. But now I

understand the subject from your answers, courage and joy have entered into me,

driving away the doubt and sorrow I had. Through the talk of such men, even the

little faith, devotion and earnestness that men have, are being reduced. That

was the reason for my asking you these questions. Otherwise, I have also

nothing to do with such topics. Pardon me, hereafter I won't talk on these

lines to you.Swami: Very good! During the little time available, if you don't

think of some good subject, but merely recollect the ignorant prattle of

others, it is as if you too joined in blaming those persons. That is harmful to

Bhakthas. Whatever others may say, you should not give up your faith. Once you

are firmly established in that, you will not be in want any day. One word

following another produces anger and pain. Bhakthi Marga is designed for

suppressing, not developing these qualities.

You tell me that devotion and faith disappear because people listen to such

accusers... but for how long? As soon as the truth is discovered, will they be

trusted again? Will their words be valued again?

The talk of those faultfinders is as the sound of bronze. Cheap metals make more

sound; gold which does not make sound is very valuable. True Bhakthas will be

mute. They will follow the path of silence. Their tongues will be fully engaged

in the repetition of the essential greatness of the Lord. It is best they have

no respite for any other word. So, do not permit the words of the bronze voiced

persons to enter your ears; but fill them with the name of the Lord, which is

the Pranavanada itself.

Next month, if you get any problems regarding such useful topics as Sadhana or

Anushtana, come here and have them solved. But do not bring with you bundles of

such doubts!

Bhaktha: I am indeed blessed this day. On account of them, You have vouchsafed

to me the light of wisdom. Seeing all this, I feel that the saying, All is for

out good is true. Henceforward, whatever any one may say, I will be patient and

won't take it in because All is for our good. Namaskaram. Allow me to take

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