CONVERSATIONS WITH SAI

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CONVERSATIONS WITH SAI - PART 4

SAI: No man's heart is really dry. At least men have sense love. At least you

have worldly love for children, family and others. It is the same love, but

given to some only. You only have to take it all and give it to God.

A Visitor: If his heart were completely dry, he would not want to come to Prashanthi Nilayam.

SAI: Even in coming to Prashanti Nilayam, you could love your wife and family.

Love is God. Live in love. Love itself is God. He is nothing else but Love.

There are different forms of love; love for family and love for money; but love

for God is devotion. There is a glass of water. An Englishman will call it

water, an Andhra man will call it by another name and in Tamil still another

name is given. But the water is the same. We just call it by different names.

The names of love for wife, children, and objects differ; and love for God is

called devotion - but the love is one. The most important thing you have to

develop is love. If you develop love you don't have to develop anything

else.

H: But love is not something made by man. Love is not something created by man;

how can I develop love?

SAI: You have love for the tape recorder. How is it that you have that love?

When the tape recorder was in the shop, did you love it? But because you have

got it now and it is yours, 'my' tape recorder. You did not love it in the

shop; you love it now because you feel it is 'mine'. So, when you think God is

'mine', you love Him.

A Visitor: I make an effort to strengthen love, but I know it does not happen.

SAI: It is a question of practice. Intellectually you understand. Say, you have

a temperature, a 105 degree fever. If you keep on chanting 100 times, 'I want

penicillin injection', it won't cure you. You have to have the injection. You

don't have to chant that you want penicillin; you just have to have one shot

and you are all right. Instead of thinking of ten different things to do, if

you do one thing correctly, that is enough. When you are thirsty, you don't

want all the water from the well. One glass will suffice. You don't have to

take all and try to practice everything. Take one. Here is a match box with

some 60 matches; if you want to light a fire you need to strike one match, not

the entire box of

matches.

H: Swami, in the hospital, each patient has a principal disease; is the doctor

able to know that principal disease?

SAI: If he is a good doctor, yes. If he just has a degree, no. In present day

India in the political field, people have studied very little; but because of

politics they get a doctors degree.

H: Then let the Supreme Doctor tell me what my chief disease is - not physical.

SAI: You do have this desire to go towards God. But you are just at the point,

'How to go to it', you are wanting to know. This, Swami cannot say before the

others. He will say to you separately. Such problems are separate. Like the

doctor, each patient he examines separately, not while everyone is in the room.

A Visitor: Swami, do I continue teaching with the same meditation? It is not

always the same people there.

SAI: You must have the same group. Then if new people come, you must give them a

separate time and do not mix them with the others.

Visitor: Yesterday there were a number of new people.

SAI: There is not much difference within the group. Even the people who come to

you do not know much. If the child wants to learn ABC's, he must continue to

say ABCD and so on.

A Visitor: When should I leave?

SAI: Whatever your decision is. If you want to leave on the 19th morning, Swami

will see you tomorrow. But if you have other plans, it will be adjusted

accordingly. Swami is not limited by space. Wherever you are, here or in Bombay

or wherever, He is with you. You have to be happy. That is what Swami wants. So

it should depend on your decision.

Visitor: But I am a person for whom decisions are a great difficulty.

SAI: Deciding good and bad all the time is a human problem. You can leave on the

19th morning.A Second Visitor: Swami, I have been away from business and I want

to talk with Swami, but if I stay another month, then there will be only one

final talk with Swami. I want to talk with Swami now, and then stay a month.

SAI: Tomorrow is Thursday. Swami will see each of you individually, then you can

make your plans when you want to leave, or stay. With you, it is like this; you

have a few doubts, now you want to clear these doubts immediately so as to

leave room for new doubts, (much merriment from the interview group). That is

your plan.

SAI: (to a visitor): You have some plan for poor people. What are the details?

Visitor: The old Mandir. We should make a number of new homes for the poor

people. Then those who are now staying in the old Mandir can move to the new

houses and then the old temple can be made like new. It is Swami's first Mandir

and it should be saved for history. If people continue to live there, it will

tumble down in no time at all. To just use it for living looks like a lack of

respect from the people who are in Puttaparthi.

SAI: That can be discussed further at a later time. Now, Swami is troubled that

all of you have come from so far spending so much. Your love is so touching.

There is no price for that love even if measured in crores and crores. Swami

wants your happiness. Swami will teach as quickly as may be.

Visitor: But now is the time because there is the World Conference in May and

Swami's devotees will come here and it does not matter whose plan it is to save

the old Mandir; it should be as though it is everyone's idea and all should work

together to accomplish it.

SAI: You draw up a plan and show it to Swami. How to do it.

Visitor: And one other thing I must ask Swami because people say Swami must be

asked. I want a little plot of land. On the opposite hill if I have a little

place and then put up a big shed, for which I have the plan, so that there is a

big place where they can come and gather and do yoga or whatever it is. But then

when I am so close, that is closer than from here to the old Mandir, but not

just outside the gate so that people will be saying this or that about me, then

I am outside, and then you know....

A Visitor interrupts: .....so that no control.......

A second Visitor: No control....

SAI: A faithless garden, (much merriment from the interview group).

Visitor: Well, you know, nobody can come and say no cooking, and so on.

SAI: It might be all right to start, but then you will have many more problems

than you wish for. All the dogs from the villagers and other problems.

Visitor: The thing is that I have said at home that I would like to have a

little house outside the compound.

SAI: With all the dogs together, you are going to have a great problem. Ten puppies each.

Visitor: But, anyway, you....

SAI: We will discuss it. You may start enthusiastically, but then the problems

that will be coming in the future will not be good.

(Swami now moves His hand, and a large mass of sugar candy appears in His hand

and is distributed. The group exclaims how sweet and delightful it tastes.)

SAI: Complete sugar.

Visitor: Not only sugar. It is flavored.

SAI: Everyday should be sweet like this that Swami would again make the sugar.

Visitor: Someone told me that I should not let anybody touch these earrings that

you gave me, because they are sacred. But I don't like to tell people not to

touch.

SAI: Nothing like that, about touching. Was everyone angry because Swami did not come this morning?

Visitor: No, no, Baba. We were singing Bhajans and talking about the Gopis.

SAI:Gopi means sense control, one who has controlled the senses. It is not a lady's name.

End of Interview

To be continued.

Sent by: rgcjp

 

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