Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 font-family:Arial;color:black">SaiRam to all! font-family:Arial;color:black">Could anyone share there knowledge regarding Liberation of the Soul? I have learnt that the Soul is encased in the Physical, Astral and Causal bodies. To be merged with God one should be liberated from all these three bodies. When someone is liberated does that mean he/she is liberated from the Physical and still lives in the astral body? Any information regarding this is appreciated. font-family:Arial;color:black"> font-family:Arial;color:black">Love All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 "hastasana" <hastasana Fri Feb 27, 2004 7:37am To Vani: We live on Earth in our physical body learning our lessons, fulfilling our desires etc. When we pass over to the astral world, we go to the level most suited to our progress. (The astral spheres are graded.) In other words - what we do here on Earth, how we think, how we act, very much determines our astral sphere. We go where our thoughts, at death, take us. There on the astral plane we meet many people that we have known before. We realize that death does not mean the end but just a new beginning on another sphere. We carry on much as we do here. Our general personality does NOT change. What we enjoyed MOST on Earth, we will do so again there. If you are a person who enjoys helping people here on earth, you will continue to do so 'up there.' If you enjoy music, art and learning you will also carry on doing just that on the astral. People who live more 'darkly,' enjoying the dark vices of earthly life, will go to a sphere where they can carry on with such desires. (Until they learn otherwise, or are helped by higher beings to let such vices go.) The astral world is just behind this world. Astral beings can see us but we cannot see them. However on the astral spheres people are more awake than here on earth. The very highest Astral spheres still have lessons. The highest astral spheres are peopled with those souls who are ready to give up their astral bodies and who have completed all astral kama. A causal-bodied being remains in the blissful realm of ideas and near to the God centre. Inhabitants in all parts of the astral worlds are still subject to mental agonies. The sensitive minds of the higher beings on spheres or planets like (Hindu name) Hiranyaloka, feel deep pain if any mistake is made in conduct or perception of truth. These beings are very advanced and endeavour to attune their every act and thought with perfection of spritual law. Communication among the astral inhabitants is held entirely by astral telepathy, where there is no confusion, such as we have with spoken words. Causal beings work out their desires by materializing them instantly. Those who find themselves covered only by the delicate veil of the causal body can bring universes into manifestation even as the Creator. This is because all creation is made of the cosmic dream-texture, the soul thinly clothed in the causal, has vast realizations of power. Our aim in this life is to reach our highest, thus, assuring us of a place on a higher astral plane of existance, until we are born again on to the earth. This process continues until we finally reach the causal plane, and merge with the God centre. Then we no more go out. , "Vani" <vmadgal@b...> wrote: > > > > > SaiRam to all! > > Could anyone share there knowledge regarding Liberation of the Soul? I have > learnt that the Soul is encased in the Physical, Astral and Causal bodies. > To be merged with God one should be liberated from all these three bodies. > When someone is liberated does that mean he/she is liberated from the > Physical and still lives in the astral body? Any information regarding this > is appreciated. > > > > Love All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Vani, my words are so clumsy compared to Sri Yukteswar's following description. We are not the Body. "When man's desire to live is severely shaken by disease or other causes, death arrive; the heavy overcoat of the flesh is temporarily shed. The soul, however, remains encased in the astral and causal bodies. The cohesive force by which all three bodies is held together is `desire.' The power of unfulfilled desires is the root of all of man's slavery. Physical desires are rooted in egotism and sense pleasures. The compulsion or temptation of sensory experience is more powerful than the desire-force connected with astral attachments or causal perceptions. Astral desires centre around enjoyment in terms of spheres and is entranced by the sight of all creation as exhaustless expressions of changing light. The astral are thus connected with an astral being's power to precipitate all objects and experiences as forms of light or as condensed thoughts or dreams. Causal desires are fulfilled by perception only. The nearly free - beings that are encased only in the causal body, see the whole universe as realizations of the dream-ideas of God; they can materialize anything and everything in sheer thought. Causal beings therefore consider the enjoyment of physical sensations or astral delights as gross and suffocating to the soul's fine sensibilities. Causal beings work out their desires by materializing them instantly. Those high souls who find themselves covered over in the delicate veil, can create anything they so choose. A soul, being invisible by nature, can be distinguished only by the presence of its body or bodies. The mere presence of a body signifies that its existence is made possible by unfulfilled desires. So long as the soul of man is encased in one, two or three body- containers, sealed tightly with the corks of ignorance and desires, he cannot merge with the seas of Spirit. When the gross physical receptacle is destroyed by the hammer of death, the other two coverings - astral and causal - still remain to prevent the soul from consciously joining the Omnipresent Life. When desirelessness is attained through wisdom, its power disintegrates the two remaining vessels. The tiny human soul emerges, free at last. It is one with the Measureless Amplitude. Words of Sri Yukteswar to his disciple Yogananda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 Dear friend, Thank you for taking the time to send me yours and Sri Yukteswar's words. I understand every human being ought to know these truths. Although it appears overwhelming, I understand with God himself as our guide, it must make things a lot easier and the journey more pleasant. Now I understand why Swami says. "Less luggage, more comfort". More desires mean more lessons and experiences and a longer & tiresome journey. Good Luck and wish you a happy journey to God. Thanks again for your help. Love Vani. hastasana [Dylys] February 27, 2004 10:04 AM re: Liberation Vani, my words are so clumsy compared to Sri Yukteswar's following description. We are not the Body. "When man's desire to live is severely shaken by disease or other causes, death arrive; the heavy overcoat of the flesh is temporarily shed. The soul, however, remains encased in the astral and causal bodies. The cohesive force by which all three bodies is held together is `desire.' The power of unfulfilled desires is the root of all of man's slavery. Physical desires are rooted in egotism and sense pleasures. The compulsion or temptation of sensory experience is more powerful than the desire-force connected with astral attachments or causal perceptions. Astral desires centre around enjoyment in terms of spheres and is entranced by the sight of all creation as exhaustless expressions of changing light. The astral are thus connected with an astral being's power to precipitate all objects and experiences as forms of light or as condensed thoughts or dreams. Causal desires are fulfilled by perception only. The nearly free - beings that are encased only in the causal body, see the whole universe as realizations of the dream-ideas of God; they can materialize anything and everything in sheer thought. Causal beings therefore consider the enjoyment of physical sensations or astral delights as gross and suffocating to the soul's fine sensibilities. Causal beings work out their desires by materializing them instantly. Those high souls who find themselves covered over in the delicate veil, can create anything they so choose. A soul, being invisible by nature, can be distinguished only by the presence of its body or bodies. The mere presence of a body signifies that its existence is made possible by unfulfilled desires. So long as the soul of man is encased in one, two or three body- containers, sealed tightly with the corks of ignorance and desires, he cannot merge with the seas of Spirit. When the gross physical receptacle is destroyed by the hammer of death, the other two coverings - astral and causal - still remain to prevent the soul from consciously joining the Omnipresent Life. When desirelessness is attained through wisdom, its power disintegrates the two remaining vessels. The tiny human soul emerges, free at last. It is one with the Measureless Amplitude. Words of Sri Yukteswar to his disciple Yogananda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 SaiRam.Vani. Liberation means realising your oneness with God. You are already God and what prevents the realisation is body consciousness and desires born of Ego. Being in astral body does not mean liberation. Sai Ram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 Thank you Saisujay. As you had mentioned desires are indeed the main cause of this bondage. It is so hard to be in God consciousness without Namasmarana (chanting mantra). Does one have to constantly chant the mantra in order to be liberated until one lives in the body (all 3 of them)? Of Course chanting is no problem until one gets into the practice. When I visit my relatives or be in a social gathering I find it so hard to do namasmaran. Sometimes I feel I rather not participate in any social activity. But infrequently I participate; otherwise it would very much offend the hosting party. When I have to attend social gatherings, I really have nothing to say and as a result I am very silent. Sometimes this offends somebody or the other. Sometimes I wonder if I have to simply join an ashram. I feel very comfortable going to a Sai Centre as silence is an accepted form of expression here and almost all of us greet each other with SaiRam which of course reminds us of being God.. If the mind has completely died, which is I suppose being in a liberated state, then one cannot do namasmaran. If the mind has completely died then how does one function in their day to day lives? Om Sai Ram Vani -----Original Message----- saisujay [saisujay (AT) hclinfinet (DOT) com] February 27, 2004 11:02 PM 10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Re: Liberation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2004 Report Share Posted March 5, 2004 Sai Ram. Vani. Doing continuous chanting is rather difficult. The same purpose is served if you do all work with the feeling that it is God's work you are doing. God pervades everything including the work you are doing. If only we can understand that we are not this body and we are in essence the cosmic consciousness and keep this awareness no other sadhana is necessary.Without chanting,without meditating,without even spending one minute in a temple,church,mosque etc we are liberated. In fact all sadhanas are only because we have not understood this concept. Death of mind means death of the impure mind with all sort of desires and Ego. Once the mind becomes totally pure then it becomes one with God. It is certainly possible to function in day to day life just as all God realised saints had done and are doing. Sai Ram. At 12:29 AM 3/3/2004, you wrote: Thank you Saisujay. As you had mentioned desires are indeed the main cause of this bondage. It is so hard to be in God consciousness without Namasmarana (chanting mantra). Does one have to constantly chant the mantra in order to be liberated until one lives in the body (all 3 of them)? Of Course chanting is no problem until one gets into the practice. When I visit my relatives or be in a social gathering I find it so hard to do namasmaran. Sometimes I feel I rather not participate in any social activity. But infrequently I participate; otherwise it would very much offend the hosting party. When I have to attend social gatherings, I really have nothing to say and as a result I am very silent. Sometimes this offends somebody or the other. Sometimes I wonder if I have to simply join an ashram. I feel very comfortable going to a Sai Centre as silence is an accepted form of expression here and almost all of us greet each other with SaiRam which of course reminds us of being God.. If the mind has completely died, which is I suppose being in a liberated state, then one cannot do namasmaran. If the mind has completely died then how does one function in their day to day lives? Om Sai Ram Vani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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