Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can anybody give me a an explanation.

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Dear sai brothers

 

Recently i read Bhagwat geeta. i felt few stanzas are contradictory.

 

1. In onve Verse Krishna says Arjuna "in whatever form a Bhakta pray

to Him ,He will appear in that form and bless the bhakta"

 

In some other verse He says " If one pray to small gods he will reach

that god or if he pray to bad powers he will go to that power "

 

Don't you feel that both the above stanzas are contradictroy. Even if

you pray to Demon ,God should take care of us.

 

with universal love of Sai

 

kgs

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prateek singh <prateuee2002

Sun Apr 9, 2006 8:25am

Re: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

Dear Sai Brother,

 

In the first stanza Sri Krishna Bhagwaan is talking of

pure Bhakti. In that case the form of the Lord does

not matter because the essential thing is purity of

heart and Bhalkti which will remain same irrespective

of to which form you direct it.

 

In the second case, Sri Krishna Bhagwaan is talking of

Bhakti or worship for the sake of some kind of power

or for some purpose. In that case teh Bhakti is

limited to the obtaining og those specific powers. So

the Lord doen fully manisfest himself to the Bhakta,

but only a part of Him, which the Bhakta worships.

 

Sai Ram

Prateek

 

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"P.K. Mohan" <peekaymohan

Sun Apr 9, 2006 8:43am

Re: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

Dear KGS,

In the Hindu tradition, there are about 33crore Gods. This

means two things

A. Each person can choose a God whom he can relate to, because each

person's constitution is different.

B. 33% of each person is God. The Atman.

There is only one Supreme God. The Parabrahma or Father or Allah.The

rest are all manifestations of that One Supreme God. Parabrahma is

in each form and beyond each form.The whole universe is extended

from one Parabrahma.

Bhagawan Himself has said, through his many teachings that we choose

our destiny.

If we worship demons, we attract the characteristics of demons, even

though they are manifestations of the same Parabrahma.

Coming back to ourselves. The driving force in our body is the

soul.Its like the petrol in the car. Relatively invisible.Without

the petrol, we cannot drive the car.But, the petrol never chooses

any destination.Petrol just helps the drive. Likewise, the soul does

not overrule the mind or intellect. It just aids it to perform.

Likewise, God does not overrule our vasanas, just like our Atman

does not overrule the mind and intellect.

What does the soul need? Final merger with its master, the

Parabrahman. Karma's are the propelling factor of our existence.

Karma's provoked this birth and Karma's propel our action. Bhagawan

Baba has said that the reason for His birth is to show us the right

path, not to take over karmas, though he does take over the Karmas

of His Great Bhaktas and release them from the bondage of existence.

We are what we choose to be. In simple terms, the experiences that

we gain - whether it be good or bad - are results of our own

thoughts, words and deeds. God does not interfere in that.He just

lets us experience.

When we surrender our thoughts, words and deeds to the Supreme, He

takes over. It needs complete surrender, especially surrender of our

ego. Then we do not exist as an individual. We exist as the

expression of that Almighty, which has complete detachment.

Trust this explains the below verses. I have only expressed what I

understand.

God is within us

Love

Mohan

 

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Jatindar Shad <egreatindia

Sun Apr 9, 2006 10:04am

Re: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

Sai Ram Kgs,

 

There is no contradiction.

 

In the first stanze ~"in whatever form a Bhakta pray to Him , He

will appear in that form and bless the bhakta" Here Lord Krishna is

referring to our choosen Gods. Whichever God you pray to - He is the

receiver of the prayer. This is what Swami has repeated - show

reverence and devotion to your family God or to that form of God

that appeals you - all your prayers reach me - for all form are mine

and all names are mine.

 

But, the Devil - treads the path of Kama Krodha Lobha Moha and

Matserya - which is opposite to Sathya Dharma path. So if you revere

a demon or devil - you are revering Kama Krodha path - how do you

expect to be protected by Swami - who has shown the path of Sathya

Dharma. You cannot do worng and wish for right and you can never get

wrong when you have done right. Why Gita, take any scripture - the

forces of Sathya Dharma are on one side and are opposed by Kama

Krodha forces. Victory is always to the Sathya Dharma forces.

 

Now, the second stanza talks of lesser Gods (ch 9 St. 25). Those who

worship the Gods go to Gods; those who worship the manes go to

manes; those who adore the spirits go to the spirits; but, those who

worship Me come to Me. In this what has not been depicted is the

fact that between the Gyanloka or Brahama loka and Bhu Loka (earth)

there are some six different spheres - each is commanded by lesser

Gods. So when you adore and aspire lesser gods of these spheres -

you go there - but when you aspire for His - the master of the Gyan

Loka - you go there to Him.

 

This is very important - that all Sai Devotees - constantly remember

Swami for that is our destination - and if we are not able to

remember Him constantly - what assurance we will remember Him when

Yama come to escort us.

 

Supreme is 'action' Karma. Whomsoever you pray to - your 'action'

will descide what should be in store for you. Even Swami, except is

the rarest of cases, does not change the past karma, but He

definitely does mitigate or cancel the 'pain' associated with the

past karma.

 

Sai Ram ~ Be Happy

 

JP

 

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"moenmoen" <moenmoen

Sun Apr 9, 2006 10:48am

RE: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

Dear brothers and sisters,

 

There is no difference in when pray to the god in wichh form at all.

 

If one pray to the demi-god all his force he gains from the almighty.

 

So if one should pray to the devil, he also is bound to dharma and

he gets his power from the all mighty. He has his place in creation.

 

So in such cases there is no difference in the grace of the almighty

on his devotee, if he is a witch or a wizard a danaw or dew.

 

For god there is no difference at all, but the fruit one gain may be

different by praying demi gods.

 

You see god is all and all is god.

 

Sai Ram, I hope that this can clear some questions.

 

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"Ramachandran & Shanthi" <ramashanthi

Sun Apr 9, 2006 2:36pm

Re: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

Dear Saibrother , even though viswam is visweswara

roopam,ie.,universe is the universal form of the Lord , as long as

you have the body consciousness,you are not able to realise that you

are God ,is it not ? because of that ,you are not able to comprehend

that all is God (all are not Gods as God is one & only one ) as

explained by Swamy . In such a situation , we and God ,the Ultimate

Parabrahman are different to start with .So initially we have to

pray Shiva ,Vishnu ,Ganesha etc Gods or to the Avataric Forms like

SriRama ,Krishna.SaiBaba.etc .We should not pray to lower gods or

devathaas or pithrus or lower beings ( who are higher than us ) as

we will reach only up to their level of attainments .That is why

Swamy says for spiritual attainments Pray to Him & for wordly

benifits ,if you pray to Him ,Swamy will pass on the wordly prayers

to the concerned deities in His administrative heirarchy of which

He is the Supreme Head .That is why SaiKrishna in BhagavadGita has

said so & cleared the doubt to Arjuna at that time & it is

applicable for eternity .I hope this will clear your confusion by

Sai Kripa ,loving best wishes S .Ramachandran

 

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"D.P.Maudgal" <pinuksai

Sun Apr 9, 2006 3:30pm

Re: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

To whom it may concern

 

I read the sai news but don't comment but in this case I feel the

need to respond.

 

Please try to understand the meaning in a broader/real sense rather

than selfish sense of me and mine using God as a servant who is duty

bound to look after you even when u follow your own vagrant mind.

You will get the fruit of your action performed in thought , word

and deed. Praying is nothing but one of the actions performed by

the one who prays. and he/she will get the reward of the action

accordingly.

 

Sai Ram

 

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shatrughan lal gupta <om_nirwan1974

Mon Apr 10, 2006 0:31am

Re: [saibabanews] Some Doubt in Bhagawat Geeta : Can

anybody give me a an explanation.

 

Dear kgs !

God assumes the form which you prefer, you worship.He responds to

your sincere prayer.In this world you find the good persons as well

bad persons.If you insist to associate with bad peolpe, how others

will object.It is you & only you who have to decide which path we

have to choose,the path of demon or that of godly people.

So dear Sai brother ! God has given you wisdom to analyse the things

before you start to select them.

God will surely give you hint, prompt you before you start moving

towards wrong path.It is upto you that you hear to His inner voice &

follow Him or not.

Another way to be safeguarded against the evil forcecs is to

surrender totally on the will of Lord.

In that situation He will come forward for your rescue & help.I

think this explanation will satisfy your querry to a greater extent.

With God Sai love & blessing,

S.L.Gupta,

10-4-2006

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saibabanews, kgs7691 <no_reply wrote:

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> Dear sai brothers

>

> Recently i read Bhagwat geeta. i felt few stanzas are

> contradictory...........