The Secret of Liberation

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Sai Ram!

 

Swami ( Sri Sathya Sai Baba) has told us in his dicourses that there are many

'Gurus' & 'Babas' promising liberation in this life when they themselves are

not liberated. So He advises us that if any one asks for a guru , ditrect him

to puttaparthi - since only GOD is the Guru in this Kali Age!

 

By this what i mean is very simple :

 

The secret of liberation lies, not in the mystic formula that is whispered in

the ear and rotated on the rosary, it lies in the stepping out into action, the

walking forward in practice, the pious pilgrim route and the triumphant reaching

of the Goal.

 

So ...the best Guru is the Divine in you; yearn for hearing His Voice, His

Upadhesh. But If you seek worldly Gurus, like that Baba and this Swami... you

will have to run from one to another, like a rat caught inside a drum, which

flees to the right when the drummer beats on the left and to the left when he

beats the right.

 

Also pls cognize that many persons yearn for God, worship God or contemplate

on God. God cannot be realised by any of these means. All these activities are

based on separating themselves from God.

 

What is needed is a sense of oneness.

 

Now ...how is this to be obtained?

 

When you cultivate the feeling: "I and you are one." This oneness is beyond the

grasp of the mind and the senses. It is only the Buddhi (Intellect) that can

practically experience what is beyond the senses.

 

This concrete experience of 'atmic unity' is the secret of liberation!

 

sai ram,

 

RamRam

 

RAM RAM

Thank you & God bless.

Om Sri Sai Ram

Sarvathah paanipaadam Tat sarvatokshi siromukham Sarvathah sruthimalloke Sarvamavritya thishthathi

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I strongly disagree with brother Ram. The secret of liberation begins indeed

with the sacred name of the Lord that is constantly chanted with love and

rotated on the rosary.

To awake the Divine Guru in us in this material world, we need the Guru in human

form as Swami to guide us. Baba/ Swami is not worldly Gurus! Swami is an avatar

who has descended to this earth to guide us to the realisation of the soul,God

and hence liberation. No one has the need to run from one to another so long as

we surrender completely to Swami and have unshakable faith in Him.

 

U mention:"Also pls cognize that many persons yearn for God, worship God or

contemplate on God. God cannot be realised by any of these means. All these

activities are based on separating themselves from God."

 

Brother Ram before u state the above, ask ur self? What evidence have to

justify or claim the above? RR u a realised soul?? How do u think one gets the

sense of oneness if one doesn't yearn for God, worship God or contemplate on

God?? These rr of utmost importance initially to get the grace of God and

eventually to be one with Him. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa is one example. His

immense yearnings and contemplation have truly melted the heart of mother Kali

who gave him the most unexplainable and wonderful vision in His meditation.

It didn't separate him from Mother Kali?

 

I have not commented on ur mail with any intention to provoke u or others. I

truly believe that a Guru is necessary in our lives, especially in this busy,

material world today. If u need a forest guide to guide u thru a forest to

protect urself from the dangers and the wild animals in the forest, U also need

a Guru in the human form to guide us thru all dangers ,obstacles and calamities

in our lives to reach God!

 

Sai Ram.

Chanting of the Lord name leads to the feeling of oneness with our Lord!

 

Love all serve all,

Anita Sakthi

ram ji <ramramsairam > wrote:

 

Sai Ram!

 

Swami ( Sri Sathya Sai Baba) has told us in his dicourses that there are many

'Gurus' & 'Babas' promising liberation in this life when they themselves are

not liberated. So He advises us that if any one asks for a guru , ditrect him

to puttaparthi - since only GOD is the Guru in this Kali Age!...;

[Guest guest]

One says Gurus are needed as guides in the forest and the others says there are

many Gurus who are teaching liberation without themselves tasting it - beware.

 

There is another aspect to this - the Guru you meet - you should test him -

before you make him your Guru. Swami has given an example of Hanuman when he

first met Lord Rama - He asked the Lord to show His Strength to him - strength

like shooting an arrow through a row of Palm trees - Hanuman had earlier seen

Sugriv shoot and arrow through a Palm tree trunk. So he wanted to convince

himself that Rama was superior to Sugriv. Lord Rama - shot an arrow and it went

thru the trunk of the first palm tree and then the second palm tree and then the

third palm tree. Hanuman was not only convinced - he was overjoyed at the

prospects of serving such a valiant person.

 

But, - in Kalyug - we are very meek - to ask any so called Guru to prove

himself. But one who has not proven himself to his own self - will never stand

such scrutiny. In the jungle of life an untrained guru will take you round and

round the jungle - till you get fed up and leave. Only a Guru who has tasted

liberation can lead you to liberation.

 

Now, in this scenario - only GOD ALMIGHTY - our Beloved Swami will qualify for a

GURU. We did not test Swami or ask him to prove himself - but Swami asserts we

should pray for that before accepting Him. And over time still, Swami on His

own accord proves Himself, beyond any scope of doubt.

 

Sai Ram ~ Be Happy

 

JP

www.sailopics.com

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Anita Sakthi <nit552000 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Sairam to Sai Family,

I strongly disagree with brother Ram. The secret of liberation begins indeed

with the sacred name of the Lord....

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Dear Sister Anita,

 

I completely agree with your words:

 

"How do u think one gets the sense of oneness if one doesn't yearn for God,

worship God or contemplate on God??"

 

What other than our yearning for God brings us near to HIM, it's exactely

this feeling with brings us to worship, to contemplate and to have constantly

the name and the form of the Lord in our hearts.

Thank you for your words.

All my love.

Your Sai sister

Berit

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Sai ram

Very interesting topic indeed!

 

I want liberation, i wish for enlightenment and i also want moksha!!

 

Yes! altho' i am "with" swami....i have also recently been tested on this too!

 

I believe that swami is god, yes! of course i do....i have had a lot of

blessings to shout out this statement as fact!

However, i will say.....do take swami up on what he says...test test test....if

u test swami sincerely.....u will taste the nectar of his love love love...

 

if u ask swami sincerely for help....u will taste the nectar of his love love love.....

 

if u then i guess ask swami for liberation.......why would he stop ?

all u will get is his love love love ....and believe me...and i say this with a

humble heart......his love is true and his love is warm and his love is what u

and i both need....

 

ask swami......and see for yourself........

 

i will, very soon, upon swami's approval write about a couple of my experiences

here.....with swami's grace....

 

for now.......i wish u a taste a swami's love.....bakula xJatindar Shad

<egreatindia > wrote:

Sai Ram,

 

One says Gurus are needed as guides in the forest and the others says there are

many Gurus who are teaching liberation without themselves tasting it -

beware.....

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Swami has reiterated in all of his discourses the Tru Guru is your CONSCIENCE

which is nothing but the spark of the divinity that he chose to place in all of

his creation. We all are his reflections.

The problem is that we read all his discourses, have Bhagawadgita by heart and

can quote passages from the bible or Quoran or Tora. But when it comes to life

application and truly realize the inherent divinity, the mind is not silenced.

Even if we sit in a corner and away from the worldly distractions, the mind

keeps pulling us from within.

Once we can silence this, and never yield to the desires, then all the messages

that we hear from within are HIS(HER), teh SHIVA_SHAKTI.

For example, an aquaitance of an individual had committed an heinous,

repulsive crime and it is not tolerable. This individual has evidence for that.

It is easy for the individual to walkaway and shrug shoulders and say that,

"well let me not get involved with that. The best thing is to keep quiet and

let teh time or karma take care of it".

 

The person who committed the crime, can repeat the same and get away with that.

The person who witnessed the crime, can feel bad about it on the inside but,

being a social animal will not reveal that to the auhtorities, as it will

jeapardize the social acceptance of the individual.

This had happened in Dwaapara Yuga also, when Draupadi was being disrobed by the

Kaurava clan. The loyal Royal court masters like Bheeshma, Drona, Aswathaama,

had not opened their mouth nor did they valiantly protect the unfortunate

Queen Draupadi. She was there at the wrong place at the wrong time. Not short

of character. She ws made vulnerable.

We see similar scenes in kaliyuga, much more so in the inner city population

and the souls of the victims are butchered. Then we wonder why there is so much

of violence, depression, ADD, and psychosis?????

The greatest ADHARMA is living in the UNTRUTH for social structure and not

rising above the buddy system.

The greatest offering and the surrender to GOD is this surrender of man's

affiliation of social acceptance and this can be only be done when there is no

issue of pride or ego.

Once that is done, then all is GOD and his word.

I hope it was not a lengthy discussion for a sweet simple question

Meena Chintapalli in SAI ServiceRICARDO BORJAS <ricardob1ve > wrote:

Dear sisters and brothers. What we shoul recognize is that we all are in

different stages in our spiritual journey. Probably the main point would be

"who is a real Guru". Om Sai Ram

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Humble pranams at the Lotus feet of our Beloved

Bhagwan Baba.

i agree that worldly gurus make us a rat,cat or bat.

A teacher, should be through about the subject to

make the student understand and should be able to

clarify any doubt of the student in that subject. like

wise for a Guru for liberation, union with God, he

should know everything about God. we know that none

could completely comprehend God.( some worldly gan

show us the path but cannot take us there.) so God is

the ONLY Guru for libeeration and when He has taken a

form and descended to our level it is wise to utilise.

understand that it is for us not for HIM. SAIRAM