Guest guest Posted July 13, 2005 Report Share Posted July 13, 2005 Sai Ram All , Today July 12th Canada T V televised Negative documenatry on our beloved Bhagavan Sree Sathya Sai Baba this is similar to what BBC televised. I heard this documentary will be televised in all major countries. Le us all intensify our prayers and pray unitedly that this kind of evil is eliminated for ever and we all become His messsenger to uproot all evils in our society. His Mission will go on - no one can stop Him no matter what method they use to tarnish His image. How they dare to stop Swami's work ? His work will go on and He will come back again as Prema Sai. How can they stop?People who are involved in this kind of allegations will surely meet their consequences. So brother's and Sisiter's hold on to His feet as evil is lurking every where please dont slip and fall- hold on. Faith and devotion this is what we need now. Arise and Awake rest not till our goal is reached. Let us all pray At the feet of Sai Soumendra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 "Maintenance, Hotline" <Hotline.Maintenance Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:38am RE: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Om Sai Ram my Sisters and Brothers in the SAI fold , Fear not , remember " What you sow , so shall you reap " Evil can never ever triumph over good . At the feet of our Lord Sai . Basill Padayachee South Africa ---------- Bodla Raamesh <rameshbodla Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:02am Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sairam Brother Bhattacharjee You are right no one can stop him and his mission. Swami itself told in so many discourses that No one can stop my mission. Everything is his creation only , so how can they stop the creator and his mission. Its impossible to anyone. Nothing happens to Swami's image if they telecasts not only ones but also any number of times in any no of channels. Just we have to laugh ones for their ignorance and we have to feel pity, why they are not recognising the God in human form, what karma is keeping away them from the grace of god. Once Swami told that only 2/3rd of the people will believe me and my avatar. So, if it is Swami's decision we can't able to change them. Only we have to pray for them. But what I want to tell is only the Karma of one's past births keeps at different distances from God. One may not realise the God in one birth, it is due to their bad karma only. But one thing is true one day everyone of us have to realise and merge with the Creater. It may be in this birth or after taking so many more births depending upon their deeds and karma. One person spending his whole life with Swami in Prashanthi Nilayam. One person staying Physcially too much distance from swami but mentally he is praying and staying very near to swami. One person is behaving against to swami and telecasting these types of documentaries. All these due to their own's past deeds and karma balance only. We have to pray swami , Swami they are also your creation only, the same soul is there, the same divinity is there but why they are not able to recognise you and your mission. Please make them to travel in the right path. Nothing happens in this world with out the notice of Swami. Swami may testing the devotion of the devotees. Who will loose their faith and who will stand. Where there is faith there should be no chance of doubt and where there is doubt there should be no chance of faith. We are all devotees why we loose faith, its impossible, its impossible. We have to move close and close to swami. We have to Keep this issue at the Lotus feet of Swami and Pray. Nothing more we can do. Help ever , Hurt never Praying Swami that his grace be always with all of us. Sairam Bodla.Ramesh ---------- <cherryl Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:57am RE: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Om Jai Sai Raam Uncle Soumendraji, I totally agree with you Uncleji. We have to all be more courageous than ever, you know Swami has once said, evil is heavier than truth sometimes meaning evil thoughts are easier to sink in and make a resting place than the truth of things. I did not even bother to watch the broadcast I felt as though it is such a waste of time taking away those moments when I can be positively reflecting on the Beloved Sai. People in this world now find it easier to believe when lies are told than the truth, fabrications come about so easily. But you know what, this is all A TEST FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL Let us take the nectar out of this situation and the positive aspect of it, and hold on to thy lotus feet of our BELOVED LORD SAI. The love one possesses for Swami should be so pure that nothing in this world can change it. Swami knows how to test everyone and this is definitely a test of faith for each and everyone. This is where he is putting us through the grinding mill&..It is your choice to become refined!!! I offer my humble pranaams at the lotus feet of our beloved Lord Sai. Swami, I ask you to show us the light, shower your grace and blessings on us all, so we will have the knowledge to know right from wrong and be so humble in doing this. Thank you Swami for having realized you as the avatar of this KALI AGE. Be strong Sai Brothers/Sisters&.Swami knows best! Om Jai Sai Raam Radhey Of Canada ---------- "sairamdoris" <sairamdoris Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:06am RV: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! This is the letter from the Prime Minister of India, Mr. A.B. Vajpayee, which has been published on: http://www.srisathyasai.org.uk/homepage/default.htm click on Whats New (left) and then on News Flash. We have typed the letter out here, we have put our comments below, but you may be able to write to Mr. Vajpayee himself, on abp His personal homepage is: http://www.hindustan.org/index/abp-profile.htm SRI SATHYA SAI BABA LIVING LEGEND AN EMBODIMENT OF LOVE FOR ALL MANKIND We are deeply pained and anguished by the wild, reckless and concocted allegations made by certain vested interests and people against Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba. We would normally expect that responsible media would ascertain the true facts before printing such calumny - especially when the person is revered globally as an embodiment of love and selfless service to humanity. Since this professional ethic has not been observed by a section of the media, we have elected to go public with this signed statement. We are among several million people in the world who regard Sri Sathya Baba as a great spiritual master and teacher. We come from different nationalities and religions and greatly admire the fact that Sathya Sai Baba asks us to become a true follower of our chosen path. His is a message of truth, right conduct, love, peace and non- violence. He always emphasizes that these universal human values belong to all faiths and religious traditions. Sri Sathya Sai Baba leads by example. he devotes all his time and energy for the well being of society. People from all walks of life and from all parts of world visit him in Prasanthi Nilayam (Andhra Pradesh, India). He meets them and showers his love and blessings on all those who seek him. He has been the sole inspiration behind some of the most monumental public service projects in recent times. He has set up schools, colleges and universities where finest qualify man-making education is imparted to all at no cost. His educational program of universal human values is being used by thousands of educational institutions all over the world. He has set up hospitals where complex surgical interventions are performed everyday without any cost to the patients. He has set up a mammoth clean drinking water network in drought-prone areas. Indeed the list of activities and projects inspired by him continues to grow with new projects being undertaken in all parts of the world. We have had the privilege of meeting Sri Sathya Sai Baba many times and seeing him engage ceaselessly in community service projects. We unequivocally condemn the baseless and malicious allegations being hurled upon Sathya Sai Baba in certain quarters. Great men have often faced slander in their lives. Such pitiful efforts neither diminish their glory nor slow down their resolve to achieve their mission. May God give good sense to all who create these scurrilous stories and wisdom to all others not to pay any heed to them. A.B. VAJPAYEE Prime Minister of India P.N. Bhagawati Former Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of India Ranganath Mishra Chair Person, National Human Rights Commissioner of India Formerly Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of India ---------- "Charlene" <jaisairm Thu Jul 14, 2005 10:59am Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sai Ram Dear Ones Regarding the negative documentary of our most Beloved Baba, He warned us many years ago there would be a winnowing process. Here is what He said, taken from the book A COMPENDIUM OF THE TEACHINGS OF SATHYA SAI BABA: "Very soon the glory of Sai will spread to every part of the world. It will increase a thousandfold. The reason is the essential goodness of the Sai Mission. It is totally free from any taint. Every act is done out of the purest of motives. Everything that is said is based on truth. All activities are conducted without depending on any outsider. Hence there is no room for fear. After the harvest when the sheaves of grains are winnowed, the wind blows away all the chaff, leaving only the grains behind. Through this process, the true devotees will remain steadfast. The wavering puppets will drift away. This is the process of winnowing." SS Dec 1993 P 333 Thus, true devotees have nothing to worry about as Swami's Truth unfolds about us. It is all His Will! Love, Love, Love, Charlene Leslie-Chaden ---------- Swaminathan Ganesh <sairamganesh04 Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:31pm Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! -reply Soumendra when good things are happening naturally there will be negative things like this. do not worry our sai brothers and sisters knows what good and bad and they will not fall on these false things. naturally these bloody mundane things will never stop our swami's mission and our relation with him. definitely, let us pray and swami will take care of this definitely. our swami has seen and over powered so many things like this. At the feet of Sai sai ram ganesh loka samastha sukhino bhavanthu saibabanews, Soumendra Bhattacharjee <soumendra_toronto> wrote: > Sai Ram All , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 "Fausto Frank" <listaunmundomejor1 Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:49pm Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sai Ram! I have written an article (in spanish) about all this difamatory campaign, the reasons behind it, and why they attack our beloved Swami. The address for my Swami´s website is www.sai-baba.com.ar and the article (you could translate it to english via web translators) is at http://www.sai-baba.com.ar/Contraladifamacion.htm If Jesus has a Judas and was crucifixed by the power of those days, a media-campaign against Swami appears to be the Kali Yuga methods of those who don't want to enter the Golden Age that Swami is building on Earth. I wait your opinions to faustofrank With Sai Light and Love! Fausto Frank. Argentina. ---------- Arvind Sherigar <arvind1180 Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:01pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sairam all, Why am i seeing so many explanations to prove swamis divinity ??? When someone tries very hard to prove something, then it seems that he himself has gigantic doubts in his own mind and when someone provokes it, he tries to give a thousand explanations. When someone comes up to u and says that "Who is Sai Baba ? BABA is a fraud!!! ", suddenly our ego crops up and thoughts start bubbling up in our mind and we give this explanation and that, which leads to an argument. There is always a probability of losing the argument leaving things bitter in our mind. Why did this happen ? The reason is simple "WHEN WE DONT KNOW WHO WE ARE THEN HOW CAN WE KNOW WHO IS SWAMI? " Swami Vivekananda had his head always held high..Why??? He had a tremendous amount of love and faith in his guru. He never tried to explain the divinity of his guru to ANYONE. No propaganda. Because he KNEW that only his guru can deliver him from the bondage of life and death. If u ppl seriously believe that Swami is your saviour then NEVER try to explain or prove his divinity to anyone. Who r we to explain GOD? Everyone called Lord Krishna a "Mayavee" or magician. But did the pandavas go all over the country explaining ppl Krishnas divinity and miracles ? No. When the right time came, Krishna himself revealed himself to the world. In the same way Baba will also reveal himself to the world at the right time according to his sankalpa. Our work is to follow his command. "Dil me RAM haath mein kaam". So i request all to stop giving explanations, control the wayward mind and focus on achieving the GOAL that is merger with SAI. "If u want to know the truth DIVE deep and get the pearl. There is no use of standing on the shore and claiming that the sea has no pearls". regards, Arvind. ---------- Vishal Choudhry <donmwz Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:22pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sairam! Let them do watever they want to but every1 has a day. Our faith will not change. Sairam Vishal. Mwanza. ---------- "Reet" <reet.priiman Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:44pm Fw: CBC Negativity - Dr. Vajpayee former India PM - SRI SATHYA SAI BABA -LIVING LEGEND, AN EMBODIMENT OF LOVE FOR ALL MANKIND Sai Ram Below is a letter I received from Sai devotee from Canada. Much thanks to Ram Lakhan for this. Namaste - Reet - Ram Lakhan Ram Lakhan Thursday, July 14, 2005 6:43 PM CBC Negativity - Dr. Vajpayee former India PM Brothers and Sisters in SAI: This is an excellent letter written by Dr. A. B. Vajpayee, former PM of India who is also a devotee of Bhagawan. You may wish to circulate this letter to people on your mailing list. Ram Lakhan, Canada This is the letter from the Prime Minister of India, Mr. A.B. Vajpayee, which has been published on: http://www.srisathyasai.org.uk/homepage/default.htm click on Whats New (left) and then on News Flash. We have typed the letter out here, we have put our comments below, but you may be able to write to Mr. Vajpayee himself, on abp His personal homepage is: http://www.hindustan.org/index/abp-profile.htm ---------- *** MODERATOR'S NOTE It seems that the letter of Dr. A.B. Vajpayee (former Prime Minister of India) is no more available at the http://www.srisathyasai.org.uk website. It is available for read both in facsimile and transcript at: http://www.saibaba.ws/articles/livinglegend.htm Sai Ram *** ---------- "Reet" <reet.priiman Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:11pm Fw: Secret Swami Responses to CBC Sai Ram Below is the response concern to "Secret Swami" sent to CBC by Nimish Thakkar. R. - Ram Lakhan Ram Lakhan Wednesday, July 13, 2005 11:02 PM Secret Swami Responses to CBC Brothers and Sisters: Please circulate this as the letter to CBC is well written by brother Nimish. Ram Lakhan Nimish Thakkar <nimish wrote: "Nimish Thakkar" <nimish "'Ram Lakhan'" <ram_lakhan108 my response Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:52:47 -0400 Brother Ram, Here's the response I sent to CBC: Dear Terry, Thank you for promptly addressing my e-mail. I strongly agree with your view on the necessity of ethical and responsible journalism, but that was the very reason I wrote to you. Just because a documentary was prepared by a reputed organization does not mean the facts are to be taken "as is." I was simply requesting CBC's own team to validate the facts before airing a documentary that was prepared by another station. The same mis- information would be repeated twice if the documentary was aired without appropriate research. The very title "Secret Swami" is demeaning to a great spiritual leader like Sri Sathya Sai Baba. I have been his follower for over a decade and there is nothing that I ever found to be secretive about him. We are very disappointed to learn that our sincere requests and sentiments will not be respected. God Bless, Nimish Thakkar, MS, MBA, CCMC, CPRW ---------- Meenakshi Chintapalli <mkchintapalli Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:44pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sai RAm to all of you, what is being done is to stop the Tidal Wave of Swami's love to reach out to humanity!!!! NO one can stop him as long as he is seen through us as his Hanumans. We are the shiva ganas who were Gopalas and the monkeys of Dwaapara Yuga and the Treta Yuga respectively. Swami had more than once reiterated that he is seen through us and he cares about teh followers of his teachings. Let us be honest that every one is not a follower of Swami. They love him, revere him and if society is going to make it hard for them and make them a social outcast, the devotees shy away. Let us not lose focus on this aspect of Bhagwan's teaching Our Truthfulness and adherence to TRUTH, LOVE, INNER PEACE, And Righteousness will be the expression of Bhagawan. In all ages, including the recent murders of Gandhi and MLK show that this world has gotten worse since Christ got crucified. I hope I am not being judgmental as I see the world around and in many situations, I feel that this is where devotees need to self audit and arrest Bhagawan in theiir hearts and express externally In Sai Love Meena Chintapalli > saibabanews, Soumendra Bhattacharjee > <soumendra_toronto> wrote: > > Sai Ram All , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 sase persaud <parallelmedicine Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:50pm negative publicity---dare to stop Swamiji!!!!!!!!!! A tree that bears no fruit receives no stones.A mango tree with luscious ripe mangoes will receive a few stones.The number of stones the tree receives is directly proportional to the amount of fruit it bears. A good man will receive a few criticisms here and there.But when our beloved Sai receives so many, it is tantamount to telling the world that He is supremely overloaded with all Divine Qualities that surpass their expectations.And the more they pelt, the more His Divinity and Glory shine!!! How very frustrating it must be for them. If you spit up at a mountain, to whom does the vile spittle return? The axe seeks to cut down the chandan ( sandalwood ) tree but it ( the axe___the enemy ) becomes perfumed with the fragrance of the chandan plant on every attempt and at the same time, the tree spreads its rich aroma to the four corners of the world,giving ample proof of its goodness,love, forgiveness and supremacy. The more they attempt to taint His character,the more they focus Him in the world and the more people who did not know Him begin to investigate Him.Newcomers to Sai will be dumbfounded and at the same time delighted at what they will find for Sai is nothing else but LOVE, MERCY, COMPASSION, FORGIVENESS,SWEETNESS,DIVINE MAJESTY AND DIVINE SPLENDOUR AND GLORY INCARNATE. So do not get alarmed, bitter,angry or disappointed as all this negative publicity will only serve to highlight His glory.And remember one more thing.Swamiji has said that in the time of Jesus, there was only one Judas but today there are thousands of Judases.Did Judas not serve to make us realise the greatness of Jesus?And with thousands of Judases alive today,you can be sure that SAI'S GLORY WILL OUTSHINE that of all the other saints,sages and Godmen put together. HALELUIAH!!! ALL GLORY TO SAI!!! with love, Your Sai brother, SASE. ---------- "Anita Bacha" <bachanita Thu Jul 14, 2005 9:08pm RE: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! AUM SAI RAM BHAGAWAN BABA says: " You must be a lotus flower unfolding its petals when the sun rises in the sky, Unaffected by the slush where it is born, Or by the water that sustains it. Do not be misled by what you see around you Or be influenced by what you see. You live in a world which is a playground of illusions, Full of false paths,false values and false ideas. However,you are not part of this world..." Sai brothers and sisters, if you remember well,Baba had predicted that this would happen and that the mud-slinging will continue for another three years; then it will ultimately stop. In the meantime,be like the lotus flower;keep yourself above it;let the Sai Sun bathe your face with the Divine Light; Let not the mud-slinging stain your Faith; After the tremor has passed,destroying the destructible, The few,loyal,sincere and devoted, Undesructible in their Faith will continue to spread the Good Word of The LORD! Remember also,that the number of seats are limited;if you want to board the flight with God,do not waste your time brooding over petty things.... at the lotus feet of Sai.anita. ---------- shatrughan lal gupta <om_nirwan1974 Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:00pm Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! "When someone comes up to u and says that "Who is Sai Baba ? BABA is a fraud!!! ", suddenly our ego crops up and thoughts start bubbling up in our mind and we give this explanation and that, which leads to an argument. There is always a probability of losing the argument leaving things bitter in our mind. Why did this happen ? The reason is simple "WHEN WE DONT KNOW WHO WE ARE THEN HOW CAN WE KNOW WHO IS SWAMI? " ******************** Dear Sai brothers ! we should agree to the explainations of Sai brother Mr Arvind as briefly stated by him in above lines .Nodoubt that reaction is very natural in the minds of ordinary devotees like we.This is because we love, worship & have abudant faith towards our loving Sai Baba.Undoubtedly no body can reach to the depth of divinity. The only way is to dive deep in the oceacn of love of our Sai and then we can experience what Baba is ?-------------------------------- -------------------- So leaving every thing on Baba Himself, we should pray Him to control & stop such negative publicity and there is no other way left out.Where there is Ram,Ravan does exist aginst whom we ca'nt fight alone.Only Ram, our Sai Baba is capable to fight against Ravan.This is also His LEELA.So let us not indulge in such discussionns & concetrate on what BABA has preached us & follow His path shown by Him.Jai Sai Ram. ********************************************************************* ************** "Sabme Allah sabme Sai, Buddhi kyo Bharmayi. Sai pita hai, Sai hai mata, Sai sichhak, Guru- bhayi." ******************************* ( Allah, the God & Sai is found in every one. Why does our wisdom get confused ? Sai is father,Sai is mother, Sai is teacher and Guru & brother.) *********************** With Sai Love, S.L.Gupta 15-7-2005 ======= ---------- "A.V." <avdhar Thu Jul 14, 2005 0:36pm Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! I agree with you Mr. Soumendra. These western media have dared to tarnish the Lord's image. And all those who dare such action will meet their doom. It is just matter of time. And as you said we are all behind our lord. And our prayers reach out to HIM. sairam ---------- "Vijaya Nokiah" <vijaya Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:10pm Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! SAI RAM As a faithful and dedecated devotee of Sai I am with you. ---------- "SAIpapu" <saipapu Thu Jul 14, 2005 11:15pm Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Brother Sairam. Thanks for your msg. Such negative documentaries and articles are to test our faith on Swami. I know when there was such article few years back in one of the leading news magazine, INDIA TODAY, some of our sai bretheren qeustioned about such articles. We, some of the youths that time explained our bretherens Swami is also like other Avtaars, Rama, Krishna,Jesus. So how can we expect Swami's smooth sailing ? As told by Swami, there are lot of Ravanas and Kamsas in present world. In those days, there was only one Ravana and one Kamsa. How many people Swami has to kill ? Therefore Swami's weapon is LOVE to kill these demons. Also we have to keep in mind, these channels and journals have to create some sensational news to run their shows. Therfore our beloved Swami as most popular in the world having largest followers in the modern age and Swami doing immense in health care/educare/projects has become an eyesore for others. Magazines/TV channels wants to increase their viewrship/readership. Medical Clinics and Educational Institution swindling money are also affected. How can they love Swami's selfless act ? Dont worry brother. We had written at that time to the letter to editor of India Today magazine and in one of our leading oriya daily who had published such articles that, Sathya sai Organisation or followers of Swami will never object to such articles as they dont bother about such -ve campaign as they know Swami what is he like we dont bother about some filths against our parents as we know our parents are god for us and they have brought us to this world, but we would not be to such magazine / news papers who published such filth. Believe me from that day i have stopped subscribing or look at news vendors those two journals and when BBC Asia telcast the documentary and after knowing that the programme is against Swami, i switched off BBC and thereafter not watching that channel. Also have told my close freinds to such journals and channels campaigning against Swami as some time i feel such articles create some stir in the minds of our bretheren. I remember during that year when INDIA TODAY published such article, TIMES OF INDIA carried 1 full page advertisement of Swami's social activities during Swami's birthday. Brothers,we cant leave Swami. He is our life. He is our lifebreath. He has given us everything to live. Let us pray his well being. SAI HAMARA SWAAS HAI, SAI HI BISWAS HAI JEEVAN KI HAR MOD PAR SAI KA HI SAATH HAI.. I love Swami Sairam papu ---------- Sai Kavi <niraakaaram Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:57am Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sai Ram Soumendra Evil likes to lurk around Love because it is jealous of love's happiness. They have been threating to expose 'this and that' for many years; they like to feel some power over people signs of fears; thats their main thrill..who is going to give it to them? not us! our power of love is stronger then their evil intents. Love is the only power. Evil cannot fight it. Remember how they tried to expose Swami in Italy, through Don Mario Mazzoleni? And what really happened after that? Many people started to read all links and books about Swami and many turned out to become the best of His devotees, ever. Smart people do lots of research before believing one person's opinion; nobody takes the word of another without searching for the TRUTH via internet, books, magazine, videos, ect. ect. At this point if the threats really come out, in a way or another, it will wake up those who are ready for the TRUTH, the rest got to wait a little longer. God works in misterious ways, you know. >From darkness He leads to immortality...and it has to start from somewhere... Dont be afraid dear Soumedra, God is near, God Mission of Love and Peace will prevail, like always. We are on the right pah, love is here, love is near. Swami is Love, our love & our everything. I just call upon Him and He is there for me; I'm blessed He is in my life..I feel His blessings moment by moments and my love for Him is limitless, goes beyond words, time, space, infinity itself. " Why fear when Baba is here?" My love to all sai brothers and sisters from all over the beautiful cosmic world. Be happy! You're all loved. Om Jai Sai Ram ~ Kavi ~ Om Jai Sai Ram ---------- Sai Kavi <niraakaaram Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:19am Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Hello Meena, I like the way you called us "His Hanumans"...Yes! We are! I am His Hanuman ...so Ravana better watch out! Also it is funny how you mentioned Hannuman, just now. A moth ago I has a dream in which Sri Hannuman cam out of a big wall poster, became as small as I was ( 5'5), took my head with both his hands and gave me three kisses on the forehead, then went back in his statue which I keep next the beautiful statue of his beloved Rama I made a little Prashanti hills with all the Avatars standing on it and Sri Hannuman stays tall holding the mointain top on his hands.. I keep 'my little prashanti' on the large top of my work dest. Everybody loves it. Love to you all God bless us all, always. Kavi ~ Om Sai Ram ---------- "Roshni Rai" <roshnirai Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:43am Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Dear Brother, Sai Ram, very sad to hear about swami's negative publicity. But it may be the plan of swami only. In present days situation people get attracted to negative things so easily. Though it is negative publicity but many people will be hearing about swami. There are many people in the world who have not hear of swami yet, they will come to know about him. Don't bother with negative publicity. Our swami is omnipresent, without his knowledge,nothing happens. It is his plan only to reach to the people. Jai sai ram. Sda sai charanma. Roshni Rai. Darjeeling. ---------- Keshav Prasad <mykp30 Fri Jul 15, 2005 3:57am Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sairam to All Sai Brothers & Sai Sisters ! The following message from Swami clears the so called negative publicity given by some people around the world. Let us all not get agitated over this and carry on Swami's message in our lives. Regards, Keshav Prasad WHO IS SAI? [A letter written by Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba to His brother on 25 May 1947 revealing His Mission] To all who are devoted to me: My dear one! I received the communication that you wrote and sent; I found in it the surging floods of your devotion and affection, with the undercurrents of doubts and anxiety. Let Me tell you that it is impossible to plumb the hearts and discover the natures of Jnanis, Yogis, ascetics, saints, sages and the like. People are endowed with a variety of characteristics and mental attitudes; so, each one judges according to his own angle, talks and argues in the light of his own nature. But we have to stick to our own path, our own wisdom, our own resolution without getting affected by popular appraisal. As the proverb says, It is only the fruit laden tree that receives the shower of stones from passers by. The good always provoke the bad into calumny; the bad always provoke the good into derision. This is the nature of this world. One must be surprised if such things do not happen. The people too have to be pitied, rather than condemned. They do not know. They have no patience to judge aright. They are too full of lust, anger and conceit to see clearly and know fully. So they write all manner of things. If they only knew, they would not talk or write like that. We, too, should not attach any value to such comments and take them to heart, as you seem to do. Truth will certainly triumph some day. Untruth can never win. Untruth might appear to overpower Truth, but its victory will fade away and truth will establish itself. It is not the way of the great to swell when people offer worship, and shrink when people scoff. As a matter of fact, no sacred text lays down rules to regulate the lives of the great, prescribing the habits and attitudes they must adopt. They themselves know the path they must tread; their wisdom regulates and makes their acts holy. Self-reliance, beneficial activity - these two are their special marks. They may also be engaged in the promotion of the welfare of devotees and in allotting them the fruits of their actions. Why should you be affected by doubt and worry, so long as I am adhering to these two? After all, the praise and blame of the populace do not touch the Atma, the reality; they can touch only the outer physical frame. I have a 'Task': to foster all mankind and ensure for all of them lives full of Ananda. I have a 'Vow': to lead all who stray away from the straight path back again into goodness and save them. I am attached to a 'Work' that I love: to remove the sufferings of the poor and grant them what they lack. I have a 'reason to be proud,' for I rescue all who worship and adore Me aright. I have My definition of 'devotion' [i expect: that those] devoted to Me have to treat joy and grief, gain and loss, with equal fortitude. This means I will never give up those who attach themselves to Me. When I am thus engaged in My beneficial task, how can My Name be tarnished, as you apprehend? I would advise you not to heed such absurd talk. Mahatmas do not acquire greatness through someone calling them so; they do not become small when someone calls them small. Only those low ones who revel in opium and ganja but claim to be unexcelled yogis, only those who quote scriptural texts to justify their gourmandry and pride, only those who are dry-as-dust scholars exulting in their casuistry and argumentative skills, are moved by praise or blame. You must have read life stories of saints and divine personages; in these books you must have read of even worse falsehoods and more heinous imputations cast against them. This is the lot of Mahatmas everywhere, at all times. Why then do you take these things so much to heart? Have you not heard of dogs that howl at the stars? How long can they go on? Authenticity will soon win. I will not give up My Mission, nor My determination. I know I will carry them out; I treat the honor and dishonor, the fame and blame that may be the consequence with equal equanimity. Internally, I am unconcerned. I act but in the outer world; I talk and move about for the sake of the outer world and for announcing My coming to the people, else I have no concern even with these. I do not belong to any place, I am not attached to any name. I have no "mine" or "thine." I answer whatever the name you use. I go, wherever I am taken. This is My very First Vow. I have not disclosed this to anyone so far. For me the world is something afar, apart. I act and move only for the sake of mankind. No one can comprehend My Glory, whoever he is, whatever his method of inquiry, however long his attempt. You can yourself see the full Glory in the coming years. Devotees must have patience and forbearance. I am not concerned nor am I anxious that these facts should be made known; I have no need to write these words; I wrote them because I felt you will be pained if I do not reply. Thus, your Baba. 25 May 1947 --- [source: Sathyam, Shivam, Sundaram Vol II, 8-11. 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 <cherryl Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:41am RE: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Om Sai Raam brothers & sisters, Saseji, I totally agree with you. This is very true of what you have said. No one can stop Swami's divine mission. It is a shame that some people are so gullible without delving to the depths of the ocean to know the deepness of it. Swami has lovingly said," you cannot know the taste of amrit (nectar) if you have never tasted it. So therefore you cannot discuss the sweetness of this.... Swami is just like Amrit...sweeter than sweet and all LOVE. As I mentioned before this is for all devotees right now....be courageous and steadfast in your faith and devotion for this is the hour of being REFINED ----the process has begun and the grinding mill is working faster than faster:) Hold on the lotus feet of The Beloved Lord Sai...for if you do not have Sai you have nothing!!! This is all Swami's leela and we are all actors/actresses in the play of life unfolding right now. What role are you going to play???? In love and in prayer. I offer my humble pranaams at thy lotus feet or my beloved Lord Sai. Om Jai Sri Sai Raam Radhey Of Canada. ---------- Parthasarathy Rajagopal <partha915 Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:14am Re: [saibabanews] Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sairam to all: We are travelling on a four lane high way very fast. You may pass any vehicles and some vehicles pass you. Some are closed some are open. In some cars people do all which should be done in bed room. In some cars children may be playing. In some vehicle some goods may be transported. One or two vehicle may carry septics tang waste. the high way goes to different places. Your destination is reaching Saibaba. If you distract your vision and look what is happening in the next vehicle you may miss your destination or involve in a accident or go to wrong place. Negative message about Swami is like those vehicle carrying waste product. So do not pay any attention to them. Keep your eye on your line. Jealousy is another reason for negative news. One is a XYZ religion head, That person sees the popularity of Swami, and also notes some of his followers are moving to Swami. how will that person stop? Fund a negative campaign. This is the time of the history we see negative around us. some wants to paint it on all. A good example is child abuse by certain priest. Can we say all are doing that? But one can accuse a priest as child molester, if that person does not like the priest. So be ready to talk positive about Swami when some one approaches you with negative message. Do not argue with them. Be calm and face them. Do not run away from them. If they are not going to bother you do not go and talk to them about Swami. Show them by action following the message of Swami. Parthy ashram can invite TV anchor people from Canada and show them the good work Sai organization is doing. Officials of ashram some time ill tread TV/ news media very bad. They also should change their act. May Sai bless all. Partha Partha Always be happy. Whatever happens is for good. Help one person every day so you can go one step near God. ---------- Keshav Prasad <mykp30 Fri Jul 15, 2005 5:51am To all who are devoted to Swami Sairam to all Sai brothers & sisters, I am resending the follwg. once again to reaffirm our faith and commitment to Swami and his messages. Let us not be perturbed by anybody. Regards, Keshav Prasad WHO IS SAI? [A letter written by Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba to His brother on 25 May 1947 revealing His Mission] To all who are devoted to me: My dear one! I received the communication that you wrote and sent; I found in it the surging floods of your devotion and affection, with the undercurrents of doubts and anxiety. Let Me tell you that it is impossible to plumb the hearts and discover the natures of Jnanis, Yogis, ascetics, saints, sages and the like. People are endowed with a variety of characteristics and mental attitudes; so, each one judges according to his own angle, talks and argues in the light of his own nature. But we have to stick to our own path, our own wisdom, our own resolution without getting affected by popular appraisal. As the proverb says, It is only the fruit laden tree that receives the shower of stones from passers by. The good always provoke the bad into calumny; the bad always provoke the good into derision. This is the nature of this world. One must be surprised if such things do not happen. The people too have to be pitied, rather than condemned. They do not know. They have no patience to judge aright. They are too full of lust, anger and conceit to see clearly and know fully. So they write all manner of things. If they only knew, they would not talk or write like that. We, too, should not attach any value to such comments and take them to heart, as you seem to do. Truth will certainly triumph some day. Untruth can never win. Untruth might appear to overpower Truth, but its victory will fade away and truth will establish itself. It is not the way of the great to swell when people offer worship, and shrink when people scoff. As a matter of fact, no sacred text lays down rules to regulate the lives of the great, prescribing the habits and attitudes they must adopt. They themselves know the path they must tread; their wisdom regulates and makes their acts holy. Self-reliance, beneficial activity - these two are their special marks. They may also be engaged in the promotion of the welfare of devotees and in allotting them the fruits of their actions. Why should you be affected by doubt and worry, so long as I am adhering to these two? After all, the praise and blame of the populace do not touch the Atma, the reality; they can touch only the outer physical frame. I have a 'Task': to foster all mankind and ensure for all of them lives full of Ananda. I have a 'Vow': to lead all who stray away from the straight path back again into goodness and save them. I am attached to a 'Work' that I love: to remove the sufferings of the poor and grant them what they lack. I have a 'reason to be proud,' for I rescue all who worship and adore Me aright. I have My definition of 'devotion' [i expect: that those] devoted to Me have to treat joy and grief, gain and loss, with equal fortitude. This means I will never give up those who attach themselves to Me. When I am thus engaged in My beneficial task, how can My Name be tarnished, as you apprehend? I would advise you not to heed such absurd talk. Mahatmas do not acquire greatness through someone calling them so; they do not become small when someone calls them small. Only those low ones who revel in opium and ganja but claim to be unexcelled yogis, only those who quote scriptural texts to justify their gourmandry and pride, only those who are dry-as-dust scholars exulting in their casuistry and argumentative skills, are moved by praise or blame. You must have read life stories of saints and divine personages; in these books you must have read of even worse falsehoods and more heinous imputations cast against them. This is the lot of Mahatmas everywhere, at all times. Why then do you take these things so much to heart? Have you not heard of dogs that howl at the stars? How long can they go on? Authenticity will soon win. I will not give up My Mission, nor My determination. I know I will carry them out; I treat the honor and dishonor, the fame and blame that may be the consequence with equal equanimity. Internally, I am unconcerned. I act but in the outer world; I talk and move about for the sake of the outer world and for announcing My coming to the people, else I have no concern even with these. I do not belong to any place, I am not attached to any name. I have no "mine" or "thine." I answer whatever the name you use. I go, wherever I am taken. This is My very First Vow. I have not disclosed this to anyone so far. For me the world is something afar, apart. I act and move only for the sake of mankind. No one can comprehend My Glory, whoever he is, whatever his method of inquiry, however long his attempt. You can yourself see the full Glory in the coming years. Devotees must have patience and forbearance. I am not concerned nor am I anxious that these facts should be made known; I have no need to write these words; I wrote them because I felt you will be pained if I do not reply. Thus, your Baba. 25 May 1947 [source: Sathyam, Shivam, Sundaram Vol II, 8-11. Transcribed by Madhav Naik. 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Sai Ram, Whatever people may say only time will prove. It is almost 80 years swamy has proved. Anything which is not good will never survive. Just as tree is pruned every year and after it grows better. Sai mission is also like that. It is also natural that people criticse. One thing should be remembered whenever there is negative remarks on swamy, swamys devotees increase in numbers many fold.If some says sugar is not sweet, it is not so sugar is always sweet. After 1993 what happened- any body who has seen and observed there were lot of changes. In the winnowing process the chaff is removed and the wothy remains. It is also to be noted that any organisation or any institution the head of the institution tries to promote his brand of whatever and they try to publicise and they go on begging for money visit so many countries and build institutions. Just see swamy he has never buit any institution which generates money.In fact input of money in crores is needed every month.strange thing is there are thosands of swamys organisations are there in the world- education, spiritual and health care centers which are doing selfless service. In which swamy is not involved at all but only his devotees are doing it. This is an incredible achivement I feel.In other organisation the head would have gone to inagurate each and every thing , to every country. Swamy not going to any country (except one that to a poor one,long back). when swamys name is reaching every nook and corner of the world people are naturally jealous. Just dont bother. I dont want to say much sai ram mohan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Sai Ram,Whatever people may say only time will prove.It is almost 80 years swamy has proved. Anything which is not goodwill never survive. Just as tree is pruned every year and after itgrows better. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Rama Talasila <ramtalasila7 Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:17pm Re: [saibabanews] Update - negative documentary by CBC Humble Pranams at the Lotus feet of Baghwan Baba Sir Please forgive me if I make you or any one upset with this mail.Do we need to do this to this channels.Why should we dont we know what our Baba is.To whom we are trying to prove Antaryami.He knows.He told in one discourse the people who crticizes are more dear to me cause they remember me more than my devotees. When Bhishma pithamaha says he is Lord Narayan by looking at krishna and does salutations when Lord kirshna was heading Arjuna's Charriot the prejudiced and ignorant Dhuryodhana says he is nothing but Golla who is coward boy.It is every one's destiny to know him.I dont think we need to please some one to really what Swmi does. I used to get very distrubed before with all this my husband told dont even open them.. Sairam Sirisha ---------- dvs prasad <dvs_prasad2001 Mon Jul 18, 2005 0:46am why should we care for the media reports - reg.,. dear sirs / madams the purity of any Guru never lies with any bad person or with bad news. Swamy told us very very long back that His life can be easily understood by following Him. why should we care or make our minds pollute with the media. never have two minds. in andhra pradesh [where Swamy stays / hails] there is an association called JANA VIGNANA VEDIKA [atheists association] headed by Dr. Innaiah etc., where they conduct camps and make news about Him. how many people are hooked to these messages. many a times their programmes hit on all leading tv channels. so what? Dr. Kovvuru was once called to give lecture on Him in one leading telugu channel [swamy is basically a telugu speaking idol] and i have watched the programme with few persons who are all highly qualifed in their disciplines and shrewd criticizers. i was in that group. i only smiled and said. you will not understand at this juncture.that is it. my sincere and honest message through this forum to all our members, is not to deviate or focus more on that type of subjects. we all have a strong responsiblity to lead a better life by changing the world. we are only an instrument in the hands of Him. the persons who preach / talk bad about Him are also not different. in a combined family all the members views shall not be in one range. views differ. my personal feeling is that unless such pepole exists we cannot see or test our own views. all the time there cannot be sun or moon. to know more about the light there should be dark. take all the persons views but we have a better thinking than any one who is outside the ring. please do not get perturbed or disturb your mind. lead the torch to the goal.media lives on sensational news only. let us not harm any one who ever they are. mind you one thing there is no good or bad in the society. the line between good and bad is very very thin and cannot be assessed through our naked eye. it all depends on the persons perception only. remember the saying Swamy is beyond all super powers on this globe, nothing is dare enough to touch Him or go near to Him except a purity and an innocent mind. i personally move with so many persons who talk very badly about Him, i simply smile at them. mind you, many of them subsequently turned towards Him when they started encountering some problems. so let us also pray for them in our next prayer. till then just observe and do not publicize in any manner at all. patience heals every problem and silence kills many bad things. just observe silence. never comment, touch it, get hanged with it. the more pressure we use the more and more it burts. please remember, He also does not like publicity either good or bad. till then SAI RAM, SAI RAM, SAI RAM with sincere regds dvs prasad ---------- "koshish_nayiaasha" <koshish_nayiaasha Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:54am Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sai Ram to ALL Negative publicity will not harm Him as HE is beyond all these worldly things,the people who are behind this propaganda may be fearing their "spiritual shops" being shut down because when person comes into SAI FOLD,one is awakened,not only about himself,but also to the realities of this world. We all should not worry about anything.Only TRUTH will prevail,lets all pray at the Lotus Feet to give us courage to face such propaganda SAi Ram ---------- "krishna rao p v" <srisathyasai Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:17am RE: [saibabanews] Re: Update - negative documentary by CBC sairam sister april sai bro jag is right in fact i dont think there has been any statement issued by any of the sai trustees or samithis to counter any allegations against Swamy. i dont think v need to attach importance to such programs bcos they dont care to check except to try to sensationalise to enhance their ratings. v r all devotees of swamy and v need to reimpose faith in our Bhagwan. swamy hasnt commented on any publishings abt him in any mags. jus pray n carr on the service as swamy wants and let us not think of all such negative talks etc sairam krishna ---------- "A.V." <avdhar Mon Jul 18, 2005 0:28pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Update - negative documentary by CBC it is not USA leading, it is when INDIA leads world follows. we have seen what happens when US leads, everything goes bad. It is when INDIA leads that everything will happen for good. SAIRAM ---------- cs rao <mrcsrao Mon Jul 18, 2005 0:48pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Update - negative documentary by CBC Sai Ram Brother Jagadeesan's analysis is excellant and worth following. Happy he suggested a measured, highly sensible,and mature response. Thank Sai for such dedicated devotees. csrao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 "Madhu" <nomavi Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:25pm RE: [saibabanews] Re: Update - negative documentary by CBC Sairam to all. I fully endorse the views expressed by Brother Jegathesan. Swami of late has been saying "Your life - My message". We who call ourselves Sai Devotees have failed in living by HIS teachings. Let us make an attempt to improve ourselves. In Sai Seva, Madhusudan Nori ---------- pratik reddy <pratikreddy68 Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:17pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Update - negative documentary by CBC Sairam dear family, I agree totally with Uncle Jega. We should not let any of this bother us instead just concentrate on being excellent examples of Sai through our work and seva. Om Sai Ram. Pratik ---------- "Aaron Bandy" <bandy1 Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:15pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! We sometimes lose site of the fact that everything we do is the result of our Karma. Swamy once told me that even he is involved with Karma during his incarnations. I used to pester him about the fact that I felt that everything I did was authored by me. He would tell me to think of other things as this was not really important until one day, perhaps in expasperation, he said that each step he took in this lifetime was a result of his planning before he took this life. This is one of the most unusual times to have a physical incarnation because Swamy is in a trinity of physical incarnations. Over the years it has been amazing to watch people turn against and walk away from him. I recall when Tal Brooke was still an ardent devotee of Swamy. We were all sitting on the porch with Swamy running his fingers through Tal's hair as he sat on the floor near his chair. Swamy told an Indian friend of mine in Telegu that this young man would write a very bad book about him and eventually he did. It is just their Karma that they do these things. If we do something to impress them that is also part of our Karma. At best, what I can do is explain that I see things differently than they do. They say that he is faking things but when he produces a hot ladoo in the middle of the cow pasture and hands it to you that is hard to discredit. I wish them well and hope they find what they are looking for. How long will it be before a trinty happens again; Swamy says it is the result of your good deeds that you are able even to be born at this time and perhaps these people who currently see things differently will change their minds eventually. Remember that Vyasa, the author of the Vedas, I recall, was a killer in his earlier life. And the fact that these negative actions bother you are also a part of your Karma that gives you the opportunity to consider the alternatives. Sai Ram. Aaron in Hawaii ---------- Sai Kavi <niraakaaram Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:56am Re: [saibabanews] Re: Negative publicity - dare to stop Swami ! Sai Ram. It is upsetting to all of us hearing bad news about our loved Swami; we should not listen or read about this kind of talks. Yet, it is important to know who is talking and who is saying 'what', just to be ready with the right answers when being put in the spot to give answers to those who, in the near future, will ask about Sai Baba and why are there some critical views written about Him. We cant say we dont know. We must know. We got to be there for Him. Regarding Swami I read it all. Nothing I hear or read can hurt me or distract me from the Truth & nothing can change my heart about loving Him. He is part of me and I go with this great feeling that connects my love with His. Who can understand that, unless having experienced this kind of Love? I never let anyone forget why Jesus was killed or why Buddha was poisoned..or why, why.... its all and always about ignorance and jealousy. Good study and long spiritual search will help to find the Truth. It will help those who R looking and R ready to find IT. The others got to wait a little longer. Love all ~ pray for all ~ be patient with all ( with me too). Sai Ram "OPEN OUR EYES, HELP US TO SEE, OPEN OUR HEARTS TO LOVE THEE. TO LOVE THEE IN ALL, AS ME, AS WE, AS ONE. FREE US FROM PRIDE, HELP US TO BE FREE FROM ALL FEAR TO LOVE THEE. TO LOVE THEE IN ALL, AS ME, AS WE, AS ONE." ~ WITH LOVE ~ KAVI ---------- sase persaud <parallelmedicine Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:10pm negative publicity about Swamiji My beloved Sai family, Om Sri Sai Ram.I totally disagree with those who say that we as devotees should remain silent when the character of the Purna Avatar, our dearly beloved Sai, is being slandered.If we,His devotees,do not defend Him,then who else is there to defend Him? Swamiji Himself in His X-mas discourse rose in defence of Himself.And after His own defence,He looks around in the world at all His devotees.Which of them is going to take up the cross and follow Me by standing at my side in defence?After all these years of spiritual guidance and love, are they still so body-conscious that they fear to speak up on my behalf? Dear family,by maintaining such an attitude,are we not being ungrateful to Sai?Swamiji Himself has said that the disciple should defend the Guru and has lauded those cases where certain disciples defended their Gurus but has decried those cases where the disciples did not do so. We defend our cowardice by making lame excuses that since Swamiji is GOD,nothing can harm Him and that His Will is supreme.True.Very true.But in this drama what role do you take at this point?Suddenly, some of you conveniently choose to become spectators at what is going on.But please remember that in this drama all are involved. When Draupadi was being disrobed,none of the elders present in that assembly stood up in her defence.Maybe some of them thought that it would not be necessary to defend her as she was a virtuous woman and so God would definitely come to her aid.And so each one of them remained silent.Wasn't this attitude wrong? When Sri Rama's consort,Sitamataji,was stolen by Ravan,no-one should have left his comfortable home to help Him in His search for Mother Sita and in His war against Ravana because He is God and being the Almighty, He was quite capable of not only defending Himself but could have fought His war alone.Was it that the wise Hanumanji was after all rather stupid to think that he was standing up in His defence? Are our brothers Fausto Frank and Leonardo Gutter being silly to defend Swamiji because He is God and so no harm can befall Him?Should they have remained silent?Should all Sai devotees remain piteously silent while the world reviles Him?Doesn't He have anyone to defend Him in His hour of need?Are we here on earth at this crucial moment just to be silent witnesses at their attempts to crucify Him with their lies? This does not mean that you have to resort to violence but that all of us now have the opportunity to fight by His side in the Armageddon that has started since He came as Shirdi Sai.Armageddon is not a war fought with mortal weapons but is a holy war in which He has prepared us with wisdom to fight ignorance which at the moment is a collossal army against us.But then, how do we fight this metaphorical war--by remaining with our mouths shut?What a pity!According to Revelations in the Bible, He will have an army clothed in white and a sword will come out of His mouth.That army,dear sisters and brothers, is us.Yes,we.We the Sai devotees who go dressed to Sai centres in white.We who go to the ashram dressed in white.All the Sai students in the ashram who are dressed in white.That is our dress code.And Sai is our Head-Of-Command of this army.From His mouth comes the metaphoric sword of Wisdom through which He conquers ignorance which is widespread today.Are you courageous enough to be in this army and with the weapon of words of Wisdom,defend Him and the rest of the army or do you choose the abominable act of retreating with your tails between your legs,your mouths tightly sealed? When Jesus was in India during the 18 years he is absent from the Bible,he learned the Vedas under the guidance of his Guru Udraka.The Vedas speak of equality and Jesus found the caste system as it was being practised at that time to be intolerable.The very first country he began to preach in was India where he was brave enough to speak out against the evils of the caste system and proclaimed that all are children of one God.He consequently gained the anger of the brahmins who after a night's deliberation decided that he had to be killed.But Jesus had one friend among those brahmins who warned him of the impending danger and he fled to Tibet where his Guru was Meng-Tse.Should Jesus have argued within himself thus:This is the Holy Land of the Purna Avathars and of great saints and sages.God Himself or some saint or sage will set this country aright.It is not my job.Let me remain silent. By remaining silent, we are signalling our approval of the condemnation of Swamiji.Is He really beloved by us?We do not have to shout.We do not have to get angry but we should see this as a golden opportunity to clamour for our love for Sai and His Works and Teachings by sweetly defending Him.It gives us the opportunity to reveal to the world who Swamiji really is and to really put Him in the limelight. I for one never miss an opportunity in any gathering to let others know who Swamiji really is when they seek to humiliate Him.For example,if a pandit tries to belittle Sai, I ask for the opportunity to speak after him and reveal what the prophecies say about Him and then speak of His life,His teachings and His works.You see a lot is being said negatively about Him due to ignorance of the facts and so here is where we can use this opportunity to not only set the records straight but to let others who do not know about Him or know very little about Him really get true information about Him. Beloved family,arise from your life of ease.All hands to the task.Swamiji's character is in danger.He can defend Himself but He needs you to show the world what worthy and valiant heroes He has at His side.If you do not defend Him now,would you really deserve His defence in your hour of need? Again,consider this.Was it really necessary for Hanumanji to have gone into the underworld to save Sri Rama? Couldn't he have argued that Sri Rama being the Lord could easily defend Himself?Doesn't the Ramayan abound with stories that tell of the number of times that Sri Rama had to be helped? With love, Your Sai brother, Sase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2005 Report Share Posted July 20, 2005 Aum Sri Sai Ram and Love to all. I came across the following write up by an (in my view) enlightened Sai devotee. This article might answer several questions some of us may have but may be afraid or hesitant to ponder. I enjoyed this article for its fearlessness, judgementlessness and painstaking thoroughness and appreciated the message very much. To truly appreciate the message of this article we may need to have considerble open mindedness and deep deep love for the divine. kc. source: http://www.saibaba-aclearview.com/contents3.html ================================= "THE MOST PRECIOUS SUBSTANCE IN THE UNIVERSE" (An open letter to all Sai devotees, from an anonymous devotee) August, 2001 Dear Friends: Sai Ram, with love! As a Sai devotee for many years, my humble advice to you all is to avoid getting embroiled in the current controversy, and dive into the Self, which is Baba's true being and ours. That is all Swami wants from us. Do you see what He is doing lately? He is telling everyone to stop paying attention to His form, to stop trying for Padnamaskar, and to seek God within. Even if He must strip away our faith in Him so that we can go inward, He will do so even at the cost of His reputation. He has no personal agenda; He only wants us to realize God - that we are God. Because He knows that this is the supreme goal in life, He will do whatever it takes to help us attain it- even if it means lying, cheating, breaking our rules, taking away our narrow-minded faith, and ruining our worldly lives! Everything He does has only one purpose - to wake us up to the Divine Self! The truth is, as with any great Guru, there are many Sai devotees who have been subconsciously looking for an excuse to leave the Divine Master who has so deeply affected their lives and who, implicitly, threatens to destroy their ego. The most essential key for spiritual progress is for the aspirant to stop identifying himself with the ego-complex of mind and body. Destroy or render impotent the ego, and there will be room for God. But the ego does not want to die, and will look for ways to eradicate any threats to its existence. A powerful Guru is the greatest ego threat there is! Therefore, on hearing accusations – even unsubstantiated ones, as most of them are - directed at the Guru, many devotees will leave even after decades of supposed devotion. Whom the Gods love, they kill; but not everyone is ready to die. What I find very amusing is that people are getting so upset about sex. Since God is omnipresent, isn't He already having all the sex in the universe? What's the big deal? What's a little sex compared to the truly horrible aspects of God's play throughout history? Didn't Krishna do his best to convince Arjuna to commit fratricide? Sex is nothing compared to the incredible anguish and hardship the Mahabharata war surely left in its wake! I'm sure Krishna was the ideal charioteer, angling the vehicle in just the right way so that Arjuna could get good killing angles for his arrows. And think of the wounding shots, the warriors left to die slowly in the heat of the day. Was that "nice" of Krishna? Couldn't He have just prevented the war? Does His behavior in that war fit into people's concepts of a sweet and loving God? Does God ever really fit into our concepts? What of the Lord of Israel who caused all the first born of Egypt to die? Looks like we can add infanticide to the Lord's playful activities. Did Lot's wife merit such a severe punishment? The Lord saved Noah, his family and the animals - but he also committed genocide in wiping out everyone else. Didn't God ask Abraham to sacrifice his only son? That was considerate. So, what's a little sex compared to the fratricide, infanticide, genocide and outright cruelty that God has reportedly committed according to many holy texts? The biggest mistake humans make is trying to tell God how he should act. How can we possibly do that? As humans, what do we really know about existence? One percent of nothing! We want God to be like a favorite uncle or an ideal mother or father - and of course He is all of that, but unimaginably more. Yes, He's the loving Creator; but not only of what we like - He's created everything, including war, murder, rape and torture. And He's also the ultimate destroyer of all He's created, including the bodies and minds and egos we cherish so much. When He incarnates in our midst, it is only out of His compassionate desire to bring us to Liberation - but the methods He employs may take any form and may or may not appear loving or 'proper' to our eyes. God is beyond our rules - completely! But whatever He does is done in Love and with Love, as a gift of Love, to lead us to union with Him in LOVE. His Love is OUTRAGEOUS. But children - which we are in comparison to the realized ones and the Avatars - can't always be told the truth. Children don't understand adults' ways of thinking; they have to be spoken to in a way they can understand. So the Avatars and scriptures do their best to present us with a picture of God that's easy to relate to: Jesus the gentle shepherd (never mind the one who wielded a whip in the temple!) - and the charming boy Krishna with His childhood consort Radha (never mind the 16,108 wives and all the killing that came later!). Only as we mature spiritually are we introduced to the more ferocious aspects of God, to the Shiva and Kali aspects, or Narasimha, the destroyers of all the ego holds dear - and the Supreme Self transcending even the concept of God. But no matter what your concept of Divinity may be, it must be the height of stupidity and arrogance to tell an incarnation of God what He should and shouldn't do. Proverbs 3:5 says it all: "Trust the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding." Amen! Those familiar with Hinduism know that great holy beings and Avatars often acted very strangely and defied social convention. This is also true of holy beings in other faiths. In Antonio Rigopoulos' great book, "Dattatreya, The Immortal Guru, Yogin, and Avatara", this widely worshipped Avatar of the Hindu trinity and the primordial Guru was often reported as having indulged in "unclean" actions. The following is a short excerpt from the book: "Markandeya Purana" [a Hindu scripture], reports that Dattatreya, to free himself of all attachments, plunged into a lake for innumerable years. Dattatreya wished to be forsaken by the assembly of Munis [silent Yogis] who were still on the banks of the lake awaiting his return. He emerged from the waters in the company of a beautiful woman. The text tells us that he made love with her...., indulged in liquor, and was addicted to singing and musical instruments. Despite this, the Munis did not abandon Dattatreya, interpreting his behavior as a way of dissimulating his supreme dispassion. Dattatreya, attended by his woman, continued to perform austerities and was meditated upon by all Munis longing for moksa [liberation]. Think what the man in the street must have been saying about Dattatreya: 'He's a partying drunk, living in sin with a fallen woman!' And think what they might have said about Jesus. 'Let's see, he doesn't work, and one of the people closest to him is a known prostitute. He must be a pimp!' Many years back, an unusual Mahatma used to visit Ammachi's ashram. He had been chased out of many of the towns in Kerala because he loved to walk around naked, and was known to suddenly disrobe and then hug whatever woman he could find! When he came to Ammachi's ashram, she would tell all her brahmacharinis [female disciples] to run and hide. Yet Ammachi also declared that this Mahatma was actually one of the immortal Masters, and that when his current body died he would simply use his yogic powers to enter into a new and youthful body, and that he had done it many times before! Masters at that level often behave in ways that defy our conventional rules, perhaps intentionally shocking us out of our rigid concepts of 'right and wrong' into the Truth beyond the mind. We are definitely not qualified to judge their behavior. By the way, Ammachi has said there will also be a big scandal in her ashram towards the end of her life, and that many people will leave her. Swami Muktananda did exactly the same thing. Simply put, creating a scandal and watching the fallout is probably the easiest way to determine which devotees are truly worthy of the Guru's grace. As for the various characters who are slandering Baba these days, my feeling is that they are actually Baba's employees (although they don't know it!) - wonderful instruments in aiding those whose devotion to God has been limited to Baba's form or some narrow idea of who Baba is. By spreading scandalous rumors, these chaps have probably helped many who were stuck in "God as a personality" concepts, helping them to break out of that limited view of the Divine, and instead seek God within and within all, and feel the divine presence in all they do. It's a logical progression, and it's what Baba wants for us. (If some people have to lose their faith in Baba in order to awaken to the Atman, I'm sure Baba doesn't mind - for the Atman is what Baba truly is!) Those whose devotion is limited to a "personality" probably have a long way to go to get realized. Such people would do well to concentrate more on the formless God, or the Self within, which Swami has been recommending we do for years. It might also be healthy to contemplate the thought that God is responsible for EVERYTHING, not just the good and the sweet. (As Baba said in a recent discourse, "All sin and virtue belongs to Me.") We should consider the possibility that the adorable Baba we love is, in fact, all-encompassing, and embodies not only heaven, but hell as well - all wrapped up in the Supreme Peace. The problem is, when God comes to Earth we expect Him to be the epitome of sweetness and 'correctness' only, so that we can stay comfortable in our prim spiritual egos. Luckily, He doesn't comply! Although He may make us comfortable in the beginning, the more fully He reveals Himself, the more uncomfortable our egos get! Even the great bhakta Arjuna couldn't stand it when Krishna showed him His universal being. God is awesome, horrible, beautiful, magnificent and, most of all, UNKNOWABLE. Yet we think we can wedge Him into our concepts and judge His actions! The truth is, mankind is completely incompetent to judge the actions of an Avatar. Friends, if it has been your destiny to experience even a moment of Baba's unconditional Love, just live in that. Such divine Love is so transcendently wonderful, so beyond the waking dream of worldly affairs, that I would be amazed if anyone given such an intense experience by Swami could ever doubt Him or His motives. But, apparently, there are such people. Count yourself blessed to not be among them. What it finally comes down to is: Faith. Either you have it or you don't. Faith is the most precious substance in the universe, and not to be thrown away over petty things or misjudgments. Do not give up your precious faith because of a childish feeling that your Guru isn't "nice" or because you heard He did something "bad". Don't give up your priceless devotion because you were told by some ignoramus or other that Baba isn't who you thought He was. In your heart, you know who He is, and your primary responsibility to yourself and to God is to tirelessly seek His omnipresence within yourself. One thing is for sure: we don't need to get entangled in the controversy. That won't help our spiritual progress any, and would serve no purpose, least of all Baba's. In truth, we need do nothing on the physical plane, for what is going to happen has already been written - that's what the Akashic record is about. Simply do your best to abide as the Atman, and let this worldly claptrap alone; let the controversy rage and just witness it. It's actually a great drama starring the supreme Actor. Indeed, if it weren't for the anguish it's causing, it could be rather amusing to watch people indulging in melodramatic behavior over the latest Sai "revelations". Only a week ago, Swami was their all-in-all, and they would never tire of telling wonderful stories about Him. The next week, they're having their Baba rings appraised and saying they don't know what they ever saw in Him. As God's comedy unfolds, the characters He's created are revealed! The main thing we need now is to pray for unfailing faith and devotion - and to never let go of Him no matter how hard He shakes us. In "An Inner View – Journey With Sai", there's an apropos quote from Swami: "To obtain God's grace, you should first follow markata bhakti (devotion to God like a monkey cub clinging to its mother). After that, you will be able to achieve marjala bhakti (devotion to God like a kitten held by its mother in her mouth). Initially, you should have the stubbornness to reach God, and you should cling to Him in all situations of your life. Later, you will develop the faith that everything happens according to His will." Just trust the Lord with all your heart, and cling firmly to His feet, remembering His all-encompassing eternal nature. Look His way, and He will do the rest. Swami once said: "You may abandon me, but I will never abandon you." If that kind of unconditional Love doesn't melt Sai devotees' hearts, they should go ahead and leave Him. But having left, they should watch carefully what happens later in their lives - especially at the moment of death - when they may well be blissfully reunited with the one they had long ago renounced. That is Divine Love. OM JAI SAI RAM! ================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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