Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Light and Love The first and foremost of Swami's directions is to revere parents especially, the mother. Below is Swami's story about son's devotion. The mother with the younger child was going out begging and keeping alive on the little they could get from the famine-stricken land. Soon, she found that she was too weak even to walk a few steps and so, the elder son had to go a begging all alone, to feed the family. He said, falling at her feet, that he would do what she was doing and collect food for all. He wanted that she should not over-exert, and worsen her health. How could they live on mere handfuls? The son too was rendered weak. With faint voice and fainter steps, he moved towards a zamindar's house and called out for a morsel. The lady of the house called him in and led him before a leaf, whereon she served some food. But, he tottered into an upright position, and fell plump on the floor. The zamindar came running into the room and placed his ear, near the dying boy's mouth, so that he could catch the last words that emerged from his lips. He was saying, 'No, No! First, my mother must be given food; my turn comes next. You may be able to pay back any debt; but, the debt you owe your mother, you never can repay. Those who claim to be Swami's devotees must have this credential: they must revere the mother. (A tiny compilation from Sathya Sai Speaks. Vol. 9. "Exercise in futility," Chapter 24). Namaste - Reet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 Very beutiful story -pass it on to your children. Matri Devo Bhava Sai Ram Soumendra Reet <reet.priiman (AT) neti (DOT) ee> wrote: <saibabanews>"Reet" <reet.priiman (AT) neti (DOT) ee>Thu, 19 May 2005 09:29:49 +0100[saibabanews] Revere the mother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 dear ones does anyone have any personal experiences or suggestions with SWAMI in the personal subject area of ,say, a person had a dysfunctional experience as a child as far as abuse emotionaly and some physical....in regards to parents. This person has had to have no more contact due to the negativity still going on,with the parents...and is now trying to heal. i know this is a sensitive subject and only would appreciate any input in this personal matter because im pretty sure it has happened to other people. Just wondering if anyone knows what Bhagwan has said , if at all to anyone in this area? thankyou with LOVE shobha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2005 Report Share Posted May 19, 2005 SAI RAM I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT PROBLEM BUT MY ONLY SUGGESTION IS JUST APPLY VIBHUTHI EVERYDAY AND MIX IT IN THE MEAL AND GIVE IT TO THE CHILD. THE PARENTS OR THE MOTHER SHOULD CHANT THE LORDS NAME WHICHEVER FORM CONTINUOUSLY. MANASA VACHA KARMENA SWAMY SARANAM SWAMY WILL DEFINETLY SHOW MERCY AND SHOW THE WAY. LET THE PARENTS HAVE SOME PATIENCE AND THINK OF SWAMY. THE CHILD MUST BE GOING THROUGH SOME KARMA. FROM OUTSIDE WE WILL ALL PRAY FOR THE CHILD AND SWAMY WILL SHOW MERCY COMBINED PRAYER WILL HAVE EFFECT BUT THE MOTHER HAS TO PRAY SINCERELY. > "shobha renee' barnes" <godismagic (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> >[saibabanews] Re: Revere the mother>Thu, 19 May 2005 13:35:16 +0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2005 Report Share Posted May 24, 2005 I will pray to Bhagawan and try to give my opinion. I pray that Swami makes these hands write what he wants to convey!!! Vedic tradition extolls and reveres parents. There are many stories in myhtology and Socially emphasizing the same point. Swami reiterates that we pay rent to PARENT as we own this body secondary to their giving it to us and naming us. Swami in all of discourses emphasizes giving respect to parents and he does not categorize parents into cruel beings. In the most recent discourses actually Swami emphasized on not hurting the parents and their feelings. He reiterated that it is Natural for PArents to love their children and it is opposite with the children loving their parents!! In this modern world he is an exemplar in fulfilling his mother's three wishes. In the mythology, Diti and Aditi give rise to demoniac children and Devas. Vishnu chooses to be born to Aditi three times as she raised children in the most loving and disciplined way that they cause no injury to any soul. Bhgawadgita describes the knower of all treats everybody with equanimity " Pandita Sama Darshanaha". Therefore the ralized souls will not encourage the child to hold anger against the parents. Swami says that "You may not oblige your parents and you can talk obligingly". In the practical world I see a lot of assaults, physical and sexual assaults of little bodies and the parents, particularly the woman who is the victim of abuse herself abuses the child. This is the cycle of violence as the violence breeds more violence. Research from The Harvard School of Graduate Education also reveals the same results ( Dr. Ayoub and Kurt Fischer, August 21, 2002). It is the young child who had experienced violence uses violence as a problem solving solution. As long as the Individual lived those expereinces and grew up in "Fright or Flight", the child in Context organized the brain with defenses to this Fright or Flight. This causes a frame work of personality with ADHD/ODD/Depression / Acdemic Underachievement/ Substance Abuse/ Conduct Disorder and so on. The Bio-Social behaviors are an adaptation for survival based upon contextual experiences from the proximal environment in reference to the inherent strengths and weaknesses. Modern Science also proves that Spiritual persons, develop Love and Fogiveness and build on their strengths. They become impervious to the external insults , as spirituality strengthens the inner self through self reliance and self realization. Then the person will not react to the past and will sustain to be a good ciitzen in the present moment as Swami often reinforces through his discourses that the Present is Omnipresence. We are living withhte Avatar , the creator himself who is teaching that through Love and Forgiveness we heal. Through our love the Bestial qualities in the other person changes over the course of life time to a limited time. Who can take away the divine LOve fromn the Heart? What will the PAst do/ How doea it matter? Why should we lose our brain cells and the brain powe r by living in the past ? How can we gain a moment that is lost? When we know Happiness is the state of the inner being, why make ourselves unhappy over the past that is not even our responsibility? Why feel guilty ove rthe incidents where we have no control? The only ocntrols we have are that knowingly we can not and should not repeat the Cycle of Violence in thought, word and deed. If we follow Bhagawan's teachings and consciously apply in our life and not worry about what others think or make of us, this inner spiritual strength holds the Body- Mind- Spirit together. We are the "Holder of the Beholder" Nobody can take away the God that is teh indweller of the Heart. People can throw away the idols and Icons and the puctures. No one can take the indwelle rawway from you. My fellow Sai devotee, true devotion is expresseed in the silence of mind and in listening and serving. Not in worrying and Reacting. It is a sensitive matter. I see many broken hearts and victims of Physical, emotional and verbal abuse. Worst are the victims of assaults and incest. It takes a life time work of giving Swami's Love and his teachings to heal their hearts and mend their minds. Swami's guided imagery ( Jyoti Meditation), Bhajans or group singing, Morality filled Social Stories, positive thoughts to extract the inherent strengths and empower teh individual with self confidence, life application through self audit of the Assets that we are born with is in essence the "SAI EDUCARE PROGRAM" If you want to read about the Brain, Mind, SAI EDUCARE you can find it on www.Univpress.com or www.Amazon.com It gives information on the pathways of brain organization in normal circumstances and in child trauma . It prescribes Swami's Ediucare Program as the respite in these individuals. WE CAN NOT CHANGE THE WORLD. WE CHANGE OUR ATTITUDES TO THE WORLD AND LIVE IN INTERNAL PEACE BY REALIZING TRUTH OF THE HIGHEST PURPOSE OF HUMAN EXISTENCE. I hope thi sgives you an overall picture of PAST IS PAST. You can only heal through LOVE and Forgiveness. You avoid the negative forces around you till oyur mind and heart are stable. Love means that Seperation is OK. AS long as the heart is filled with anger, Swami can not enter. Believe me that I see many little souls aho are mended back together through Swami's Program. With most humble prayer to Swami to give you Peace, Healing and Universal Love Meena Chintapalli shobha renee' barnes <godismagic (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: dear ones does anyone have any personal experiences or suggestions with SWAMI in the personal subject area of ,say, a person had a dysfunctional experience as a child as far as abuse emotionaly and some physical....in regards to parents. ........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 dear meena thankyou for responding.very powerful words ..we can only heal through love and forgivness.i am not angry at my parents ...they do the best they could with what they have...but its time for me to heal now and GOD has his hand in everything that has happened. you understand alot and show much wisdom in this subject...it is some karma that i had to be born in that situation. i am older now 46! a long time for things to be brought to light! you carry it around until GOD says enough!. it is because of good spiritual karma and GODS grace that i wish to heal and self improve. i am a single mom and have loved my kids dearly...i am the opposite of my parents . i never did continue the chain of violence. but however i did internalize it only in myself...the inferior complex...my mother never wanted kids and gave her other two to their dads..she couldnt get rid of me because she stayed with my dad....my dad beat me several times when i was six or so with a belt..it happened twice enough to cause me problems because im sensitive. anyway im trying very hard to heal....im doing seva to turn my worry for myself into thinking of other people because i know what it feels like to be abonded so maybe i can use it to help others. love shobha shobha Meenakshi Chintapalli <mkchintapalli Sai Ram Shobha Renee Barnes, I will pray to Bhagawan and try to give my opinion.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Thank you very much for understanding me in the right perspective.Just to day I saw a child with ADD/ODD and academic underachievement and is in a foster home. I will not reveal any names. The child was beaten up, molested, and was in a state of shock for several months. Needed Psychotherapy and is lost in self respect for goal and direction. I do appreciate your honesty and may your life be an example to many children who are in the same boat as my little patient. You can make this service by becoming a volunteer at the elementary school level for after school care and teach the Sai Educare lesson plan format. Make other children heal in their heart and this heals your heart as you see the smile of self confidence in others as the head and the heart connect.Reach out to all in your area and do your little share of service and you have replicated Swami ans his misssion. With blessings Meena Chintapallishobha renee' barnes <godismagic (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: dear meenathankyou for responding.very powerful words ..we can only heal through love and forgivness. ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Dear Shobha, Your courage in helping others in your pain is probably the most important right action you can do. To help others in so much pain and sadness, makes one realize that one is not alone in pain. There is a lot of suffering. I like to feed the homeless and collect other things that the shelters may need. I remain so preoccupied with that that it takes my mind of my own issues. I feel a glow inside whenever I feed someone who is hungry, I feel I am feeding Swami. Sometimes I put together some beautiful prayers of Swami;s and his discourse on love and surrender, I print them up and give them to those in despair. I remain very busy with this. There are so many little things that you can do for Swami all day. That helps control my pain and when the pain comes I start taking his name. It calms me down and I don't feel so desperate. The two vital learnings - right action and prayer. Love and light, Jyotsna On Behalf Of shobha renee' barnes Wednesday, May 25, 2005 6:58 AM [saibabanews] Re: Revere the mother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 A very touching, but, full of knowledge, conversation is going on. I intend to comment on only two points which are below: 1. Voilence is the demonstration of anger. Anger is the product of desire denial. At times parental voilence is the end product of their wanting to do so much for us and their incapability to do so. This does not mean violence is correct. It is wrong to even think violently. 2. First the mysterious KARMA and then the KARMA KANTHA MALA - karma makes it convenient for us to receive our share of pain and pleasure at the right time. But, if one is targeted and has to face a voilent onslaught - there is solace in Bhagwan Ramas words - that to cheat is a sin but to be cheated is not a sin. In the same context - to be violent is a sin, but to undergo violence is not a sin. Talking of mothers ~ today, is 26 of May 2005 - it is the death anniversary of my mother. Permit me to share an annual miracle that occurs in our house. We have a red flower plant which normally flowers in winters - but every year on 26 May - a single red flower blossoms - reminding us of our dear mother. Sai Ram ~ Be Happy JP ~~~~~~~~~~~ shobha renee' barnes <godismagic (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: i am not angry at my parents ...they do the best they could with what they have... my dad beat me several times when i was six or so Meenakshi Chintapalli Sai Ram Shobha Renee Barnes,I will pray to Bhagawan and try to give my opinion.... For devotees of Sri Sathya Sai Baba - Important Announcement. SAI AT - project, to comemmorate Bhagwan Baba's 80th Year of Advent, has been launched. For details http://www.sailopics.com/80th_Year_of_Advent/80th_year_of_advent.htm You can become project members of this memorable project if you have a SAILOGRAM or SAI SILVER or SAI GOLD or procure one after reading this. Sai Ram - Be Happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 what you wrote was beautiful and full of understanding. its a sad thing ...the lack of love and the conditions it produces. i love them and i understand..but it ,love, comes from inside, God is my real mother and father...who's love is total and superior to any earthly love and fills everything. the source of all love. what more do we need? shobha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 i have just started feeding the homeless and giving food away to the food bank....i wish there were more i can do...sometimes i dont see them sometimes i do....it is a good work to feed the homeless or who ever is on the street....i dont have the nerve yet to walk over the railroad tracks by myself but im trying to keep the thought in my head of what SAI said "be ever ready to help" yes it does put everything right "there are more important things to do than worry about ones own drama!' PS BEAUTIFUL ABOUT THE red flower that blooms every year. shobha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Dear Shobha, Ask Swami to give you the opportunity to serve and to give you strength. In a dream Swami was handing out little prayer books to each of us in line. When he gave me mine, I dropped it and it fell on the table. He picked it up and put it in my hand. He held my hand and looked at me with profound love and compassion. He said,"Do not let go of the name of the Lord. Cling on to the name." That is what I do when I feel weak. I cling on to his name and it calms me. Sai's Blessings, Jyotsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Yes, it is God's love that replicates and Human Love conditions. The seva that you have taken up is wonderful. It is so rewarding internally, when you see contentment on theh face of the forlorn. Imagine what you can do to the little souls who go to school with half filled stomachs, broken hearts and the fearful minds. Impact of watchimng violence is the same as being the victim of violence. In my field of work I struggle to impact these little souls by giving what Swami gave me, Pure Love that tolerates defamation, humiliation and emotional abuse. We need Swami in our hearts and then rest is His -Story in the history pages. May Swami bless you with the multitude of opportunities to spread his love. " Love All, Serve All ". Meena Chintapalli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Well said about the victims of violence is not a sin. True. But the trauma takes such a toll on these little minds, it is amazing how malleable those brains ar eand that thye are survivors. I go to Jail and interact with the Jail inmates. When I do SAI EDUCARE Parenting workshops with them and explain how their reactions are the deep rooted memories of growing up in violence and with my interactions with them I am more than convinced that if they had 1 person who lit the lamp of love in their hearts, they would have thought differentlythan resorting to violence. Many children are paying a price in this matter. We need to be more cognizant of the violence in all fields and walks of life and be the advocates of following the " WATCH", "5 D's", spread the message of "Be, Do, Tell" of Swami's teachings and Educare Lesson plans in all walks of life. It does not matter if they are not SAI devotees. they will see him through us and our work. We need more volunteers who can do this job through the Public School Systems. This is a very touching field, the line of work I am blessed to do and is very dear to me. I was touched by the honesty and Shobha was cavalier enough to discuss openly. Multitudes are brushing the matters like this and much more serious matters under the rug and act as pure devotees, rather than take it to task to curb violence. The candid person is undermined and black listed. It is easy to live the life of falsehood and self deception, as it is beneficial to the self. I am hoping that the Quantum energy of Unity, Purity and Divinity among the devotees will spiritually solve and eradicate this "Violence" in the society. In his service with Love Meena CHintapalli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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