Guest guest Posted February 9, 2005 Report Share Posted February 9, 2005 An Announcement about Sivarathri This is to inform all the devotees that Sivarathri will be celebrated at Prasanthi Nilayam on Tuesday, 8th March 2005. In this connection, here is an important announcement. Devotees often have given expression to their feeling that they are disturbed and pained and are unable to bear the sight of Bhagavan’s physical body undergoing a lot of strain at the time of Lingodbhava. They always yearn to see the ever smiling and enchanting form of Swami. And, they were often praying to Swami not to perform Lingodbhava. Bhagavan, out of His infinite compassion and love for devotees, has acceded to their prayers and has said that Lingodbhava will not take place on this Sivarathri day. sourced: http://www.sssbpt.org/Pages/Prasanthi_Nilayam/Important_Announcement.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 SAI RAM That's an extremely delightful news and I'm overjoyed with it. Pain for SWAMI is pain for us. SWAMI has given enough proof of HIS divinity and it is heartening that HE has decided not to undergo the suffering this time. THANK U for the information. LOVE AND LIGHT Vinay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Loving Sai Hearts Yes to Vinay. What you said is perfectly true. You certainly know the value of sufferings. Jesus had said that without crosses {sufferings} you cannot enter the kingdom of heaven {I would say liberation}. Also Jesus had said, "If you want to follow me, carry me". Sai Baba also had said that we have to experience pains and joys and many verses he has said from time to time. To experience pains is mysterious but we must face if we want to be liberated. Namaste Betty That's an extremely delightful news and I'm overjoyed with it. Pain for SWAMI is pain for us. SWAMI has given enough proof of HIS divinity and it is heartening that HE has decided not to undergo the suffering this time. THANK U for the information............Vinay Attachment: (Image/jpeg) BackGrnd.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 vinay sairam pain for us is pain for swamy is more appropriate word we are in him and he is in all sairamvinay shankar <vinay_shankar (AT) rediffmail (DOT) com> wrote: SAI RAM.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 I agree with all the brothers and sisters and share teh joy of avoiding to see the pain and suffering that Swami goes through for the sake of Humanity. He has done more than enough after taking birth as human being to take the human sins and unrighteousness. I join many in in thanking Swami as Swami heard the prayers of his devotees and heeded to spare himself of Hiranya Garbha Lingodbhawam. We are very happy for Swami being there and shedding his Light and Love energy on us and our physical eyes can not even perceive what Bhagawan does when he sits for bhajans and vedic chanting. He is soaking us in his divine energy. Thank you Swami Meena Chintapalli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Sai Ram, This is really a very good news for us...We all don't want swamy should take much strain on this... Its very good ingormation for us... Thank u.. With love sheela. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Dear All, Is this really a great news? The following is my personal opinion and is NOT a comment on others who have expressed different opinion. No. It is a distinctly bad news for us. Here are the reasons: 1. This is a clear indication that we have not learnt our lessons. Swami has been insisting forever that He is NOT the body. And has asked us to follow Him in firm conviction that injury to His body is not an issue of worry. Ofcourse this does NOT mean we should wish Him injury, but that we should be calm in face of it. 2. Why does Lingodbhavam take place? For the benfit of the devotees. These are events that, according to Swami, great sages wait ages to witness. Is it that Swami is trying to "prove" His divinity - how much more ignorant can we continue to be? Swami has often chided us to proceed to the next grade in our learning process - but how will we if we keep clinging to "His-body". Ofcourse it is the greatest of joy to bear witness to His body, but if we get stuck with it, the loss is ours. This is our golden opportunity to wean ourselves from the rupa-nama so that in the next round of janma (obviously Swami in His physical form will not be there for us) we would find the going easier. 3. Finally, as Swami has said often and others have borne witness, Shivaraathri lingodbhavam is an "inevitable" event. Those lingams will still be forming inside the divine body of Swami and will have their "janma" except that we will not be witnessing the event. In our ignorance we have chosen to REFUSE the grace that Swami so lovingly showers upon us. According to Swami Himself, our pain and sorrow on witnessing the event is transmuted into tapas because it is directed towards the divine. The more such opportunity the more of the grace that flows to us. But alas! we in our foolishness have refused the opportunity that Swami so lovingly provides us every year. Once, Swami was "apparently" angry with His students - on whom He never stops showering His love and grace. It was one of the most painful periods of my student life. The students prayed hard and long. Some even refused to eat. Bhajans in the hostel became more intense and the eagerness to follow each of Swami's commands took greatest of priorities. Finally Swami "relented". Later He revealed, that He was an equal participant in the pain of "separation". But for our good He had chosen that "silent-treatment". Under the pretense of anger He had provided us an opportunity to get closer to Him in our hearts. Such is His grace. Apologies for a long mail and apologies if I have hurt anyone's sentiments. But I am extremely saddened by our "foolishness" and wished to share my views. Ofcourse, I might be completely misled and it might that I am one who is a fool. But, so be it... Regards, Gopal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Sai Ram Brother Gopal, Thank you so much for expressing your views re the above. I share your views 100%...and again... this is my personal opinion ....... We, His children have clearly NOT understood the full significance of Lingobhavam and its 'inevitability'.......Baba has often mentioned to us His discourses that His physical body has to go through this 'process' anyway.....whether it happens in our presence or not. Just because Baba has changed the date ....to 'spare' our feelings....it does not mean that Lingobhavam will not take place, His physical body will still have through it ! So what are we feeling happy about? As brother Gopal rightly pointed out.....it is only us who are the ultimate losers in this....all because we are unable to fully grasp and understand His divinity and Grace. I too am very saddened about this and sincerely pray that Swami forgives us our mistakes and grants us this divine opportunity again. I would like to apologise to my brothers and sisters if I have upset anyone, but I simply had to share my views. With love and light,Madhvi Duty is God, Work is Worship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 my beloved Saibrother Gopal and my sai family, Salutations at the Divine Lotus Feet. Does Swamy suffer from Pain. This has been bothering me. i was blessed to attend the Bhhema Ratha Shanti celebrations on 10th feb when Swamy in His infinite Love performed re marriages for some 275 elderly couples. Bhagwan Himself handed over the Mangal sutra to each couple moving about in wheel chair. I could sense the feel of anxiety in the faces of accompanying students and many elders like Mr Srinivasan (All India President). Dwaitha propounds- the Lord and the others as two seperate entities. Going one step further, it says it is really the best for a maanusha like us -so we really enjoy the Bliss We feel the intense love of Bhagwan only because of this principle. If we had found oneness with Bhagwan where is the Bliss where is pain . no thrill no delight on seeing the red robe from the distance no anxiety nothing just a calm ness thats all. So as per Dwatha we as Jeevatma enjoy the Paramatma, it also means we suffer the pain sometimes ( like .. when we see Bhagwan 's face showing signs of pain ) or when there is delay for our Darsan or prayers .. etc). In such a context how can we compromise when we see in physical sense Bhagwan having pain. When any of our close kith & kin suffer do we not feel sad.... Bhagwan is a thousand times more lovable so dont we not feel sad when our beloved Bhagwan shows sign of uneasiness or pain or suffering. we have read , my dear brother in Sai Gopal, many other avatars have also suffered. The Christianty even believes- because He suffered we all are relieved of our suffering. Bhagawan is Human in His Divinity. Yet divine in His Humanity. Bhagwan has given innumerable options to enjoy His Divinity though He often limits it to Nine ( forms of Bhakthi). So Lets enjoy His Divinity in each of our own ways. To conclude, *No two watches agree, yet each one believes in his own. *with lot of respectful regards to my beloved Sai family Crishnan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Sairam Gopal brother. How many times Swami has to do this LINGODBHAVAM for our benefit ? If we are a true follower of Swami adhering to his teachings, do we need to witness HIS lingodbhavam for liberation ?? Brother, we are attached to Swami's body - is a fact. We cant see Swami in pain while creating the lingam. We love Swami. let me be a fool brother. Sairam papu - gktk_us saibabanews Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:32 AM [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Dear All,Is this really a great news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 I, too, thoroughly agree with gktk_us comments. We are the one who are the true losers. We have lost this great opportunity to witness the Lord bringing forth, creating from within Himself, the Lingam. Swami has said that the greatest bliss lies at the point of creation. And we have lost the opportunity to have a share in this bliss. How many times must He remind us that He never feels pain. Yes, our bodies feel pain. His body probably has the capacity to feel pain too, as ours does, but He knows that He is not His body and His total consciousness eternally resides with His divinity. Is that not the lesson He is trying to teach us? I wish to offend no one in this most precious group of devotees, I am just expressing my viewpoint, which I admit may be wrapped in my own brand of ignorance. Jai Sai Ram, shawn saibabanews, "gktk_us" <gopalcoimbatore@h...> wrote: > Dear All, > Is this really a great news? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 My sentiments exactly. Thank you for expressing your thoughts so well! Sai Ram, vickie gktk_us [gopalcoimbatore (AT) hotmail (DOT) com] Friday, February 11, 2005 1:02 PMsaibabanewsSubject: [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Sairam to all, First of all, my sincere gratitude to all for not misconstruing my earlier message. Sairam Crishnanji, I read your message with great joy. Yes, isn't it the biggest miracle of our times that we all enjoy the PHYSICAL presence of the Divine? I recall one student explaining this during a parayanam session at the hostel long ago. Swami used to walk among students then. The student had the opportunity to hold Swami's feet for a second during darshan. Suddenly a thought crossed his mind (my paraphrasing) "...am I not holding the feet of the most unique phenomena in the whole of Universe - the feet of the Lord Himself...?" As soon as the thought crossed his mind Swami's gaze turned onto him like two piercing Laser- lights - as if to burn that moment into his mind and for a that second the student felt an awe and fear that he had never felt earlier in Swami's presence. The moment he said is etched forever in his memory - and although it lasted for just a second or so...it felt like hours. Yes, duality provides us the greatest-ever of opportunity to enjoy the divine - but as Swami has often said - duality in presence of Swami is an opportunity to grow into non-duality - advaitam. As He has said, each suffering that we undergo with HIM as its focus is transmuted into tapas of an infinite magnitude. Yes, seeing our beloved Swami in pain is something so difficult for us to bear. But just because it is difficult for us should we beg Swami not to give us that pain? Didn't Kunti beg for constant pain/suffering because "Oh! Vaasudeva, it is only in pain we remember you (better)?" Clearly, the Lingodbhavam _will_ take place and Swami _will_ undergo the "pain"(?) that He has chosen upon Himself - except we will not be witnessing it....and thus missing yet another golden opportunity to feel the "oneness-through-pain" with the divine. As has been demonstrated (think of the gopikas and of Meera and of the hundreds of other "komala-hrudaya" devotees) time and again, for those who are bound in duality, "oneness-through-pain" is the best way to cross the chasm. For us with the "paashana-hrudaya" (stone-hearted) the Lord is creating the opportunity by Himself physically undergoing pain...just as Jesus did a couple of centuries ago. Ah! the mercy and grace of our Beloved Sai. Yet, we refuse to see it. It is NOT that I want Swami to undergo pain. Far from it. I just hope to learn the lessons when THE teacher is present - for "self-study" is not the easiest path for me. I think I have said all I wanted to. Thank you all for providing me this opportunity to share my thoughts on this important issue. Sairam to all, Gopal saibabanews, "crishnantv" <crishnantv@b...> wrote: > > my beloved Saibrother Gopal and my sai family, > Salutations at the Divine Lotus Feet. > Does Swamy suffer from Pain. This has been bothering me. > i was blessed to attend the Bhhema Ratha Shanti celebrations on > 10th feb when Swamy in His infinite Love performed re marriages > for some 275 elderly couples.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2005 Report Share Posted February 13, 2005 Venugopal Ramamurthy <venugopal_ramamurthy Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:07pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Ssairam to all once again we "finites " discussing about "infinite" Swamy in this physical form and name is beyond the pains pleasure, ever loving ever forgiving [ as per our understanding levels] please lets put an end to our discussion on pain or pleasure which is our own conceptions as per Swamy own messages "beyond pains and pleasures beyond time, space, matter barriers" we all know this and realise since we have witnessed innumerable miracles of Swamy a step further may be a very small step yet Swamy also mentioned in messages he is beyond all these , and he is divine the only difference between he and we he knows that he is divine and we though also with same divinity in us yet un aware of divinity in us the first step which we are unable to cross in this most fortunate human birth being with our beloved swamy regards to one and all sairam ---------- "tara_ sai" <tara_sai Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:44pm RE: [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Sai Ram, i first would like to thank you for sharing your opinion..I'm quite new to the network and was intrigued that someone out there also shared my opinion..Once again, thank you for sharing.. Sai Ram Tara ---------- Bodla Raamesh <rameshbodla Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:40am Re: [saibabanews] An Announcement about Sivarathri Sairam So many brothers and sisters had expressed their opinions regarding this announcement. I am requesting all of you please don't discuss much about this issue. Becuase all these great and wonderful activities, miracles happens only with Swami's own decisions and wish. He knows everything like when to perform miracle and where to perform miracle like that..... It won't effect devotees requisitions and desires , ofcourse he will consider devotees opinions and desires, but ultimate decision is of swami's only. I think there might be any other reason behind this decision, no humanbeing can't understand divine decisions fully. we can understand only some part of it only. So WE HAVE TO PRAY SWAMI SINCERELY WITH PURE HEART. AND LEAVE THE ULTIMATE DECISION TO SWAMI. Please excuse if anything wrong with me... Omsairam Omsairam Rameshbodla. ---------- "Reet" <reet.priiman Sun Feb 13, 2005 11:02am RE: An Announcement about Sivarathri Light and Love Original Message----- gktk_us Friday, February 11, 2005 1:02 PM saibabanews [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Swami notes: "When one attains the Supreme Wisdom or the highest level of Vidya, the distinction between the 'opposites' - Atma and Anatma, Vidya and A-vidya, Vikasa and Vinasa (Growth and Decay) fade away. Mystics and sages have attained that state of Higher Unity." (Sathya Sai Baba. Vidya Vahini. Chapter 1). In view of Atmic Reality the different standpoints concern to this announcement will obtain the same meaning. In this reality positive and negative, cold and warm, dark and light are only different aspects of Atmic Oneness. "When this All-pervasive, All-inclusive Pure existence is described, the matter and the method depend on the principles of the speaker and the tastes of the listener; when the individual name and form imposed by the Bhaktha are transformed into the Attributeless and the Formless, it is referred to as Brahmam; when this same Brahmam appears with attributes and forms, it is referred to as Rama, Krishna, Vishnu or Siva. Do not the followers of even other religions agree that when the devotee attains the Ecstasy of Mystic Union, all distinction between him and God disappears? ... It is only when name and form come in that it is named differently as Prakriti, Paramaatma and Bhaktha. When name and form are absent, doubt and discussion whether it is masculine, feminine or neutral will not arise at all. Then any description fits. For something that is above and beyond imagination, any name and form can be ascribed. In fact, It has no attribute and no form; it is All- pervasive, Omnipresent... Attributeless Paramaatma incarnates in this world, assuming name and form, and gives scope for all embodied beings to have concrete experience and joy." ( Extracts from: Sathya Sai Baba. Prema Vahini, Chapter, "Sarvaantharyaami is One and Only One," p.31). Is there a need to create 'Shivalinga' what has name and form for devotees who are aware that that the Divine Incarnation expands as Divine energy to the Wholeness? Devotees can examine this formless experience within as a stream of enlightenment, energy. Let's leave this solution to the Divine Will. My opinion is the following. Swami has served and taught human beings many, many tens of years. He has gifted His life for serving humanity as an example for His followers. He has incarnated as body. This Body, as all living bodies physically feels all pains. However, spiritually He is far over these pains because He is not in this Body. The physical reactions of pain, caused to this Body remain, only He ignores them fully and transcends the pain. Swami has taught humanity so long times to acknowledge the Atmic Unity, and take body as instrument and palace for Almighty. Avatar's Body is also carrier of Atma; humans' bodies are carriers of sparks of Atma. Sparks of Atma and Atma is the same in essence as springs and ocean. Why ones' do not like to take care of His physical body what has gifted to our generation in this form of Divine Incarnation? Why is it so that human beings like always to receive, but not to give, not to have compassion to the other beings? All material names and forms are the same carriers of formless Unity. There is no need always to create Divine Forms, let they illuminate as Bliss in devotees hearts. Namaste - Reet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2005 Report Share Posted February 14, 2005 "Mathivannan, Shiva" <Shiva.Mathivannan Sun Feb 13, 2005 4:40pm RE: [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri SaiRam I have been reading all the mails regarding Lingobhavam. It's a decision Swami - who is the doer of all, has made. My humble opinion is, its beyond our analysis or understanding. Whatever Swami does is right in everyway though we can't understand it right now, but we may understand in the time to come. Lets leave it to Swami and be Happy that He provided us with so many opportunities to witness it all these years. Swami is of all LOVE and His actions are from that Love. As his children, let's not worry about it. Hope I have not offended and one, if I had, my deepest apologies to all. Swami's Child Shivathmika ---------- Hari das <harigrivaa Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:15pm Re: [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Sai Ram to all, I totally agree with what both the both the brothers have mentioned below.....Who are to predict the Almighty? He is beyond pain...and swami has his reason for everything He has done from His birth thus far....and it dosent mean we dont care to seee Him pain. Its true its because of our love for him we feel pain for Him....But the lord is not even slightly disturbed by any of the happenings. so why are we geeting so stressed and worried about....The Jaganatha to is looking after His creation i.e we all knows how to take care of him self... Our duty as per His request for this past 80yrs to mankind is to LOVE..LOVE...LOVE....and if at all he was to be "hurt' & panied it will be by out actions of not following his divine instructions...... Let us all love and live in that love which our lord is showering on us......lets not use shivarathiri as a topic to discuss all this issues.......These are games of the mind.....This 80th year of Swami';s advent....this Shivarathiri...is an important to all of us.....Let us pray to Shiva Sai to grant us the calmness of mind so that we all think and act using our intellect ( budhi) . Swami says the buddhi will only ignite when the mind has reach a state of calmess....then only will we experience the internal bliss.....thats what shivarathiri is all about..... I am just sharing what i feel from the depth of heart dear bro's & sis's.....lets not carry on this discussion ...... love hari ---------- "Ashish N" <ashish.n Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:42am RE: [saibabanews] Re: An Announcement about Sivarathri Sai Ram Just my opinion. I agree with the brother gopal. We must understand that Swami is beyond this body and pain. Whatever Swami does is out of love for all of us. Sai Ram Ashish N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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