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Swami's Inteview Session with John Hislop

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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

SaiRam. Today I would like to share with you all the

following conversation between SWAMI and John Hislop. This is an excerpt from

the book 'My Baba and I'.

January 29, 1981

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JH: SWAMI, please restate or redefine the goal, the objective of the American

Sathya Sai Organization.

SAI: It is not just the American, it is the objective for world-wide Sathya Sai Organizations.

People, the world over, do not know they are Divine. They do not even

realize what it is to be human. They have ego, anger, greed, envy, lust,

hatred. These are not human qualities; they are animal qualities.

Unless SAI devotees are, at the very best, human persons free of animal

qualities or characteristics, how can such devotees suggest spiritual life to

others? Such suggestions will have no impact.

If devotees in general are not yet free of animal characteristics, there

should be in each Sathya Sai Baba Center two or three members who live a life

as true human beings.

The individual does not progress alone. He is not separate from Society,

and he must do his bit to uplift the society. Therefore, the individual's work

to free himself from animal characteristics and to live a spiritual life is not

done for himself, but is done for all of God's creatures. The work of freeing

the individual's nature from animal qualities is done, in love, for God, and

done in His Name and with His help. Each member of the Sathya Sai Baba Center

should work very hard to purify the quality of his life, and the goal should be

to lead a perfect life, an ideal life; to be an ideal exemplar of the divine

teachings of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai Baba.

The world will respond to the ideal life of a Sai devotee. The world is

yearning for the ideal life and will, of its own accord, adopt such a life if

it comes into view. They will respond, and they will follow such a life.

JH: SWAMI, does that mean that our Centers should now move beyond the task of

working with Center members and tackle the world?

SAI: The Center members must carefully work to become truly human before they

venture to instruct the world.

SaiRam

Raghu.

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