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Dear Brothers and Sisters,

SaiRam. Today I would like to share with you all the

following conversation John Hislop had had with SWAMI. This is an excerpt from

the book 'My Baba and I'.

December 2, 1980

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In the car with SWAMI at Brindavan:

SAI to devotee driver: "To the Gokulam."

SAI: This area is now very busy. The College is here, and now there are the

fields to the left. There are 60 acres, and there is the land on the college

side also.

JH: Are the lands irrigated?

SAI: All is under irrigation.

JH: Where does the water come from?

SAI: We have dug wells. They produce a large volume of water.

JH: Is the water good? Is it fit to drink?

SAI: It is good, sweet water.

JH: How deep are the wells?

SAI: Fifteen to twenty feet deep.

JH: But SWAMI, that is very shallow. Usually wells need to go beneath the

surface water table in order to be sweet.

SAI: But SWAMI located where to dig.

JH: Well, that is different!

SAI: The Government experts came to locate wells, but even though they went down

100 feet no water was found.

JH: SWAMIJI! I cannot understand how the Government does not come to SWAMI,

touch his feet and ask him to run the country!

SAI: It is not that the Government is unaware of what SWAMI is doing. They do

not think it would be good for SWAMI to be involved in politics. Nor does SWAMI

wish that. His interest is with his devotees and with what he is now doing. If

the Government should really know SWAMI's Reality and His power, they would

declare him to be a ward of the Government, surround Him with security and he

would be unable to continue to see the devotees. It is not SWAMI's wish. With a

move of his hand, SWAMI could have the entire world acknowledge Him - but to

what end? It would be spectacular only and would accomplish nothing of value.

MG: When will the whole world know about SWAMI?

SAI: Even now SAI is known in many countries of the world. This is entirely

without precedent. Never before have so many known of the Avathar. In the time

of Rama, he was known only in the city-state where he lived. And he was

naturally venerated there because he was the ruler. Knowledge about Krishna was

also very limited. In his earlier days, Krishna was known only in two small

villages.

JH: Is the difference due to changes in communication, or to the will of the Avathar?

SAI: Rapid communication and transportation are largely responsible. In olden

days to move from Puttaparthi to Whitefield (i.e. about 120 miles) would be

like a trip to a foreign continent. Now, Americans come here from the other

side of the world in just a few hours time.

MG: Will the University be here?

SAI: No. In Puttaparthi only. This college and others will remain as colleges.

JH: SWAMI, may Mr.Kasturi publish SWAMI's talk to the Jews?

SAI: Why? I said words which were just heart-to-heart.

JH: Is there enough milk from the Gokulam to provide the college?

SAI: Oh, yes. Enough also for the canteens and the residents in the compound.

Some of the cows provide as much as 32 liters of milk a day.

JH: How about the two cows at Prasanthi Nilayam? Are they still good?

SAI: Yes. The two from you and Mrs.Hislop still give more than 30 liters of milk

a day. Now they have had five calves each. Very good cows.

MG: Will the new university use computers?

SAI: No. No computers. The National Exams were put on computers. It was a

disaster. The many errors caused severe distress. Some students committed

suicide. Afterwards, when the parents were told that the deceased students had

really made high passing grades, much suffering resulted. The growing tendency

to rely on computers and calculators to provide answers to problems is bringing

about a rapid deterioration of intellect. In times past, people had to use their

brains to think long and hard on problems. Now, the mental work is handed over

to a computer and the mental faculties deteriorate through disuse.

MG: But is it not possible to use computers in a constructive and beneficial way?

SAI: Yes, this is going on. There is the intention to use them in ways that are

beneficial and constructive. The immediate results appear to be very good. But

in the long run the use of computers and calculators will result in a severe

deterioration of human intellectual power.

JH: SWAMIJI, a personal question, please. Is December 9 the correct day for our

departure, or would another date be better?

SAI: December 9 is the correct day. It is a good day.

JH: Dr.S. wants to publish SWAMI's Christmas day talks.

SAI: Go ahead. He may do that.

JH: The translations are those that Mr.Kasturi once showed to SWAMI. I carefully read every word.

SAI: It is all right.

MG: SWAMI, on Wednesday the Jewish festival of lights starts and continues for 8

days. Could the Jewish devotees have the lights burning here at Brindavan?

SAI: Oh, yes. They may do so.

MG: Where, SWAMI?

SAI: Under the central tree in the compound.

MG: Would SWAMI light the first lamp in the evening?

SAI: Yes, yes, I will do that.

SaiRam

Raghu.

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Thank you so much for the excerpts of John Hislop book.

 

Thanks a lot.

 

May Swami bless you and shower choicest of blessings on you.

 

At his lotus feet

 

Soumendra

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Brother Soumendra,

SaiRam. I feel blessed to be a part of this group. If in any

way I can make members of this group happy, I feel very good. So please do not

thank me specially. Let us all thank SWAMI for bringing us together.

 

SaiRam

Raghu.

 

 

 

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 Soumendra Bhattacharjee wrote :

>Sai Ram Brother Raghu ,

>Thank you so much for the excerpts of John Hislop book.

>Thanks a lot.

>May Swami bless you and shower choicest of blessings on you.

>At his lotus feet

>Soumendra

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