Swami's Interview Session with John Hislop

[Guest guest]

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

SaiRam. Today I would like to share with you the

following excerpt from the book 'My Baba and I' by John Hislop.

December 11, 1982

Group Interview with Baba

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SAI: Faith is like a fire mountain. It is like an ice mountain. There is nothing

else. There is no doubt.

JH: What is doubt?

SAI: Doubt is confusion. When reading books, one writer says one thing and

another writer says another thing. Take one idea and follow it. Rama had one

will, one arrow, one mind. The arrow is intelligence.

JH: Where, then, does discrimination play its part?

SAI: Discrimination is to look to conscience.

JH: In choosing a path to follow, one should not decide amongst ideas by the use of logic?

SAI: No. Not by ideas. By conscience, by Self-confidence. Do not follow another.

Follow yourself. To follow another is to be a slave. Who are you? "I am not the

body, not mind, not even Atma." For, "I am Atma" is two - "I" and "Atma". Neti,

neti, neti - not this, not this, not this - that is the way of the Vedas. SWAMI

is in your heart. Think of Him there.

JH: What is God's Light, SWAMI - what is the light of God?

SAI: When Truth is joined with Love. That is the light of God. It is not outside

light, like the electric light bulb. It is inner light.

JH: SWAMI, how to be in that light? Everyone here would like to be in that Light

and stay all day in that Light.

SAI: When in a dark room and you are looking with a torch, everything can be

seen except one thing. Yourself, you do not see. With your eyes you are seeing,

but if the torch is turned on you, the objects of the room are not seen. As long

as your attention is on the light which lights the world, you will not be

enjoying God's Light.

JH: To be in God's Light, the union of truth and love, how is that to be approached?

SAI: Meditation. Meditation is looking inward. It is light. (NOTE: The

implication seems to be that as long as our attention is centered on our

worldly life, we will be seeing the world and not seeing God).

SAI: I see good only. Everyone is God. There are some bad actions only.

JH: That is very hard to understand, SWAMI.

SAI: No. Not hard. Easy.

SAI (to Malaysian group): All of you are God. There is only He.

SAI (to Barbara): Who are you?

BB: Barbara.

SAI: No! That is only body name. Body is not you. Body has relatives, but soul

has no relatives. There is only one soul, and that is God.

SaiRam

Raghu.