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Isaac Tigrett talk about Sathya Sai Baba

 

· Sometime around June 1993, someone gave this

cassette tape to our family. It contained a recording

of a fascinating talk given by Mr. Isaac Tigrett about

Sathya Sai Baba.. According to an e-mail that I got ,

the talk was supposed to have been given on March 3

rd, 1992. (If you can, please let me know the place

where this talk was given).

 

· This talk describes important information about the

spiritual dimensions that we live in. The transcript

is somewhat long and sometimes difficult …. but it

is well worth reading …

 

· I have made a transcript of this tape as best as I

could. The gist of it is accurate , though some

inaccuracies will no doubt be there. I will recheck

the transcript from time to time and make any

corrections.

 

· At times you may find it slightly difficult to

follow the text. That is because I have , as much as

possible , used the exact words spoken by Mr. Tigrett,

in order to keep it as accurate as possible. Please

remember that this is a relaxed talk (there is a lot

of laughter from the audience !) given by Mr. Tigrett

…..this is not something that he would have intended

to be transcribed word for word. Also, the spoken

language has lot of other signals such as tone, speed,

facial expressions , hand movements, etc that cannot

be conveyed by a text document , as is presented here.

Therefore , please do not ascribe errors of language

to Mr. Tigrett …. that would be grossly unfair to him.

 

“( )” indicate where I’ve guessed the words. “??”

indicate where it was impossible to understand the

word (s).

 

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· Enjoy the transcript ….

 

 

It was a fabulous conference . It went on for about a

week . There were two thousand delegates from around

the world .. these were all the spiritual leaders

from around the world .... . all of the

parliamentarians from around the world .... Senator

Albert Gore spoke there .... the prime minister

of Norway .... . the .... all kinds of wonderful

wonderful speakers.

 

.... and Sai Baba in fact told me .... he said

" Now I don ' t want you running around doing what you

usually do , trying to organise everybody .... so I

want you to stay in your room and be ready to speak ".

The only way I could interpret this is that I would

probably meet someone there at the conference .... .

 

.... and this is very important because I think

this is the way Sai wants us to speak to everyone

..... to wait and look and be available to let him

speak through you to someone .... so I went to my

room and I was .... just sort of meditated and I

didn't go out and scurry about like I usually do ....

 

The conference went on for a week . It was dynamic

..... some of the greatest speakers in the world and

at the closing ceremonies .. the head of the

organisation came up to me and said, " We want you to

speak , Isaac". .... so .... I was terrified ,

like I am now .... and .... except for few little

notes .... I just stood up in front of this massive

group with a global audience .... it was being

transmitted by satellite .... and asked Swami to

speak through me .... and He gave a miraculous speech

.... all about love

 

It was really funny …. about a year later I was

blessed to be in His presence .... and there was

some other gentleman there .... . and He spoke about

the conference .... . and told everybody about the

conference and how He gave this discourse on love

through me and how nervous I was at the beginning ,

but better towards the end .... so hopefully I would

do the same today.

 

I want to thank Michael Hollander . I have to tell you

, I've never been more terrified than the first time I

met Michael Hollander . I was wearing black and I do

wear black on occasion , obviously this was the wrong

occasion . he came right up to me and scared the

daylights out of me .... and that was back in 1975

..... I guess .... something like that . he is a

very wonderful man . he's a great Sai devotee ....

as we all knew .... . who worked with him ....

and I feel blessed to know him.

 

Ceilings of desires is sort of funny because I've got

all of them and there's no ceiling at all! .... . I

guess .... what I thought I would do today .... is

to talk about .... I guess ..the only subject I know

fairly well .... which is myself and sort of tell you

my story.

 

I'm from Jackson Tennessee , which is a small country

town between Nashville and Memphis Tennessee . I was

raised there till about the age of fifteen and then I

went to England . my mother and father were separated

.... he went to England .... he had businesses

there and I was blessed to go there.

 

I started a business when I was nineteen which I

called the Hard Rock Cafe . I was a devout devotee of

Jimmy Hendrix and ???? and Zed Zeppelin and several

other fellows .... . which I still am actually ....

I think they are fantastic .... and I started this

businesses . The Lord blessed me with phenomenal

success .... beyond my wildest dreams ....

 

.... In fact there are many people who .... later

as I became a Sai devotee .. I worried constantly

..... I wasn't very popular in groups such as this

..... mainly because people felt like that .... you

..... know .... a bunch of rock and roll .... and

drugs .... and crazy stuff .... and it was .... but

you know .... Sai is not going to be in a place like

that (? and he's not going to be using someone like

that) .... and I worried about it a great deal for

many many years . I can only tell you that subsequent

to Sai being so wonderful and calling me in and now

spending so much time with me .... which I am

blessed to be able to do .... .... he's told me

that the Hard Rock Cafe was his .... which I knew

..... . which I knew. you may know that there is a

picture of Sai Baba in every Hard Rock Cafe and it's

very interesting , he said that it was an "oasis of

light in a sea of darkness" .... and I feel that

that is really what all of us are .... and should

be .... in this Kali Yuga .... . a beacon for him

..

 

It was a fabulous time for me .

 

.... Eventually I was blessed to buy the rights to

a book . I've been receiving metaphysical sort of

visitations since I was about thirteen years old and I

got one of these visitations which said , " Buy the

Secret Life of Plants." I didn't know what this was .

I was about 23 years old .... . I think .... at the

time. Newsweek magazine, at about two three weeks

later, here in the book section ,which I avidly read ,

there was a book that had come out about

parapsychology and psychic phenomenon , whose name was

the "Secret Life of Plants" by Christopher Bird and

Peter Tompkins . This was 1973. I immediately called

up the authors and said , "I would like to buy the

theatrical rights to your book because it's a subject

that's very near and dear to me."

 

I had been receiving sort of psychic experiences from

about thirteen years old .... . and was terrified at

the beginning .... didn't understand it .... it

was actually a preacher named Norman Vincent P ????

of New York City, who's a friend of my family's , who

put me on the path originally and explained to my

parents (and to me ) that I wasn't insane , because I

certainly felt that I was going insane at that time

when things not of your own making come into your

consciousness .... it's difficult . Now I know that

that's exactly where we all should really be !

 

It was very interesting . I bought the rights to this

book (Secret Life of Plants). I called these authors

and the guys said , "Oh Mr. Tigrett .... I can't

believe that you want this .... this is a complete

failure." this book .... Harpers and Row had

published this .... it had been their big Christmas

book .... it had been received very poorly .... in

fact the article that I had read was very down on the

whole subject of phenomenon ..and I said , " I don't

care .... I know I am supposed to buy that theatrical

rights from you." .... and I did for practically no

money whatsoever .... over the telephone. six weeks

later it hit the New York Times bestseller list. it

stayed there for fifty seven weeks .... and the next

thing I knew, I was one of the most popular guys in

Hollywood for a very short period of time .... and a

..... it was really quite fantastic .... it took me to

California ..and Warner Brothers .... I made a

distribution deal with .... and I was blessed to then

go out with .... Steve Wonder became my partner

...and production of it .... he is a very spiritual

gentleman and ..was very blessed .... he did the

sound track to the .... film which is an album

..... relatively unknown album that he did called the

"Secret Life of Plants" .... and we went on a

journey around the world for about a year nine

months .... as we were writing the screenplay ....

to research all the phenomenon on the planet which

this book had been written about .... we went to

places like the ????? institute , Virginia Beach ....

we went the University of California, in Southern

California .... where they had parapsychology

department .... John Hopkins .... Duke .... I

remember going down to Mexico, they had a gentleman

there who actually was an indigent street gentleman

who could take Polaroid film and put it up on his

forehead and make any type of photograph appear . If

you wanted a picture of the New York City skyline with

J.F.K. silhouette over the top ..he would do it for

you .... in fact he would do it primarily for alcohol

...and I remember distinctly that later on in the day ,

the buildings would start to slant a little bit ....

he was pretty exciting ....

 

But this journey eventually took me to the mother ship

of phenomenon, our beloved India , the most fantastic

land on this planet . I mean it's rich with everything

to do with spiritualism . It is a people who are ....

have kept the spiritual train running . It's wondrous

that this fabulous land , which many of us have been

blessed to go to , is still there in the midst of this

Kali Yuga to protect and proclaim that God is

everything and everywhere .... and it was on this

trip that I was, in fact, in a hotel in a place

called Aurangabhad .... which is in the North ....

and something started coming into my consciousness

..... and said " I've been waiting for you ... you come

!" .... I am looking around this hotel lobby ....

and there was no one there except people scurrying

about .... I heard this voice again .... I

realised that it was my inner voice speaking to me

quite loudly and I looked up and there was a

photograph of Shri Sathya Sai Baba . I asked someone

who this was .... he 'd not even been on my list of

masters to visit in India , of course .... and they

told me that his was their national treasure . I knew

that that was the master that I had been searching for

.... for many many years .... or suspected it ....

and got onto a plane and went down to .... Whitefield

actually .

 

There were .... it was a Sunday .... there were

probably the usual thousand or so people there and I

sat back on the wall ..... if I didn't sit , I stood

..... dressed in black of course and Sai Baba came out

and he parted the crowd and walked right up to the

wall where I was standing .... and I had seen him

move his hand for a few people ..and they put their

hands out .... so I thought that that was what I was

supposed to do . He made vibhuthi for me and that

began my association with Sathya Sai Baba .... that

was 1973 ..in fact, he said to me ,"eat it ... very

good " so I did ....

 

.... . And I didn't speak to him again from 1973,

although I went there every year . I would spend a

couple of weeks .... sometimes a month ....

sometimes longer .... between 1973 and 1989 .... in

fact , it's sort of interesting. I became sort of

the ashram joke .... to a degree .... it's so funny,

you go there .... and those of you who've been there

know ..that everyone is totally preoccupied with

getting an interview .... their egos .... I mean

..... as they say it's like doing your dirty laundry

being at Puttaparthi .... and it certainly is ....

people are certainly regurgitating all ceilings of

desires .... if there's such a thing there .... and

it was quite phenomenal whenever someone was going

through a traumatic state ..which seems to be a

regular thing there .... they would wheel me out

because I was the guy who that hadn't had an interview

.... or a glance .... or a look ..or a word … for 5

years .... 8 years .... 12 years .... and

eventually 15 years that I spent going there without a

glance from Shri Sathya Sai Baba .... but I knew who

he was and that was all that was necessary . I still ,

to this day, am mystified .... why it's even

necessary to talk to him .... or why he really wants

me to be there for him to talk to .... it's totally

unnecessary because he is not what he appears to be at

all . He is much more dynamic than a little man with

furry hair running around building hospitals and

universities .... and I mean that quite seriously

..... it's a .... I'll never forget those years ....

it was so fantastic .... I guess .... it was in

fact my dear friend Michael Hollander , who kept

saying ," Hang in there Isaac! hang in there! hang in

there !" .... and it was always a great comfort to

see him there , as I did , many many times over the

years ....

 

I was really sort of in a state of shock when he did

call me .... I think .... the reason being is that I

had a number of fabulous experiences over that fifteen

year period where he would .... I guess he was

forced to reassure me who he was .... I had a very

wild life .... to say the least .... I remember one

time leaving the road terribly intoxicated at about

five o'clock in the morning in a Porsche doing about

ninety miles an hour .... in California ..down a

canyon .... this car flew off into the air ....

about a three to four hundred foot drop .... and I

had actually fallen asleep while driving home .... (

a little) inebriated .... and Sai Baba suddenly

appeared next to me in the car .... this was 1975

maybe or 1976 .... put his arm around me .... and I

just noticed him as the car started to spin in mid air

...it went over probably about ten times .... there

was nothing left of the car .... there was no

windshield .... there was no roll bar ..there were

no doors .... there was no engine .... there was

nothing .... it was totally and completely destroyed

..... yet I got up and out .... I mean the pressure of

this arm around me .... I guess .... protected me

completely and I got up and walked out of this car

without even a bruise .... much less a scratch . I

got on a plane immediately and went to India to thank

him .... and of course he ignored me the whole time

.....

 

Again, in 1977, I had an epileptic fit due to an

intense drug overdose in a hotel room in Denver ,

Colorado about one o'clock in the morning . I went

into epilepsy . I lost all motor response . I fell to

the floor. I swallowed my tongue . I choked to death

..... just like you read about , my spirit came out of

the top of my head .... I was in a different state of

consciousness and I was looking down at my body ....

something in that state of consciousness ..which was

one of total peace and wondrous .... I will never

forget it .... said to me,

 

"your time is not now .... call your gurus name "

..... I called Sai Baba's name and he appeared

instantly in this room .... he picked me up and put

me on a bed ..he pulled my tongue out ..I am watching

this from above .... he places his hand on my chest

and pushes on my chest and the spirit went right back

into my body .... I was back into the state of

epilepsy at that point in time .... and I don't know

how much time passed .... surely a number of minutes

..... and shortly afterwards I was released from

hospital because it was drug related .... not an

actual mental malady. I left for India the next day to

thank Sai Baba and he ignored for several months on

that occasion as well ....

 

I have to tell you , that fifteen years later, while

we are working on the hospital .... he's so

wonderful .... timing of course is everything with

him .... it was quite wonderful that while we were

..... I guess I've been blessed to be with him for a

number of hours with a number of distinguished

surgeons who had been gathered together at Whitefield

in his home there to discuss the hospital .... and he

got everyone's attention several hours into this

meeting .... and I was sitting next to him ..and he

said , " I saved this mans life two times .... didn't

I?" This is fifteen years later. I must also add that

I said ,"Yes of course. " He leaned over and whispered

in my ear, " And many other times too ." As you all

know, Sai Baba is hilarious .... absolutely ....

he is quite a miracle to us all .... but his humour

is really something else.

 

I have to tell you a little bit about something that's

important to me . I told some folks about this and

they seemed to think that it was important to them ,

so I thought I would repeat it today .

 

I had a very unusual childhood and .... that ....

not unlike many other people .... have suffered

greatly in this life, probably due to things in a past

life . but I really had a wonderful childhood until I

was about thirteen years old . at that time, I was

playing with a little brother .... and we got into a

little fight ..and part of this bank collapsed ..and

he was suffocated .... I dug him out and he died in

my arms . my parents blamed me for this death and they

also blamed each other .... at the same time my

parent never spoke again .

 

My older brother who had an extreme IQ was affected by

this . I blamed myself for this actually at the time,

and the next thing I knew .... he had become mentally

ill . He flipped out completely and I spent a number

of years in mental institutions with him . he wouldn't

talk to anyone else but me . these were tortuous years

for me because I was locked wars with many other

people . He eventually took his own life .

 

My mother and father never spoke again … and again, I

blamed myself for this … as well as my second brothers

death .

 

My father sort of committed social and business

suicide .... and then he allowed his business ,

which employed everyone in our town of Jackson ,

Tennessee , to fail on purpose to punish himself . I

also believed that this was my fault . he eventually

left Jackson Tennessee ..and left my mother and ran

off with a young lady to England.

 

It took me many many years to deal with this extreme

sadness . It went on for so long. It was so painful .

Not anything different that many of you have

experienced, I am sure .... and I was preoccupied

with all of these tragedies for many many years ....

and thought, "Oh ! what I terrible life I had surely

had." .... and on one occasion not long ago with Sai

Baba .... and I must say that this occasion changed

my life .... I asked him .... or rather during a

situation together .... he turned to me and said ,"

Tigrett , do you have any questions about anything

which you would like to know about .... I'll answer

any question ?". And I said , "Yes .... I would like

to know why I was born into a family with so much

tragedy and death and insanity and violence and ....

and all these things that went on for so many years

..... went on and on and on .... why was I born into a

family like this ?". And he smiled and looked at me

and he said ,"To soften your heart " .... and I can

tell you now that suddenly I realised that I had been

blessed to be born into that family .... and to have

experienced those experiences, because what little I

am today …. it has made me …. and God knows I have an

massive ego .... and if I hadn't had those

experiences ????? what I would be doing . It's

important for each of us to realise that cards that

we are dealt .... are given with great love and

compassion .... and it's simply your karma .... we

are ..as Baba has said so many many times before ,

Past is past .... the future is uncertain .... NOW

is the time .... you are making your future now

..... whatever you put out .... comes back to you

..... it's a very simple simple formula in the

spiritual world just as it's in the laws of physics .

 

I have to tell you about my first interview with

Sathya Sai Baba because it was quite fantastic . I

think it was in 1974, the first time I went to

Puttaparthi, that on leaving the canteen .... and

by the way, I think the food there is fantastic

despite rumours that it's not so good, I noticed a

little sign over the door .... a little wooden sign

..... in fact that sign is still there .... it says "

love all , serve all. " So I thought .... well ....

he's got me in this amazing crazy world , in this

crazy business , and it struck me so strongly, that I

said, "This surely is the only thing that's important

in life and I am going to put this into my business ."

So I went back . This one little message changed my

whole life . I went back and I started preaching to my

staff , it was in my heart anyway , I had always felt

it , that "love all , serve all " was the most ....

it's why we're born .... it's why we are here ....

there is no other thing to think about .... and I

adopted this expression for my business. In fact, in

every Hard Rock Cafe throughout the world, you will

find a sign that says "love all , serve all." In fact,

we put it on millions of T-shirts …. twenty million

matches .... and buttons and this and that .... and

everything else .... and I would give a speech about

it to my staff once a month at some Hard Rock in the

world .... and this is how I ran my business . I knew

that I had to bring in my spiritual life into my

business ..that it was the only way to really survive

successfully in creating what he wants .... because

that's what he does want .... he wants us all to be

puppets for him .... if we can say the word puppets

..... hard to deal for the egos a little bit .... but

that's really what it's all about. He wants us to be

instruments , and I tried to become this instrument

for him . I am still obviously trying very hard . I

have to say that “love all, serve all” became the

motto of my staff and of all the people who admire

what we were doing.

 

Again, I always had this fear that I was doing

something wrong ..I mean , it seemed so crazy to be in

such a crazy world ….that I was living in ..and had

this divine master plus psychic experiences all the

time plus whatever .... it wasn't till my first

interview that I really understood ..or got

confirmation from him that he was behind the Hard

Rock. I'll never forget when he said , "You come in".

I mean after fifteen years ..I looked at the guy

behind me .... (I was sure that's he, he ) was

talking about ..it can't be me .... and it was quite

wonderful .... he called me and terrified the day

lights out of me of course by doing so, and he sat me

right down in front of him, and there were ten or

twelve people there and he said ," Where is God ?".

And I said ,"Well he's in my heart". He said ,"No". He

said ," God is everywhere .... it's like fish

swimming through water .... the water is above the

fish , around the fish , below ,and inside . You are

fish swimming through God ." This has been one of the

most wonderful moments of my life and I am sure for

those that were in the room, because we are swimming

through God at this very moment. He is everywhere and

it's that consciousness which we are all trying to

reach .... not just intellectually ..but to

completely understand and merge with that

consciousness. He then asked me , " How do you get to

God ?". I just missed the first question so I wasn't

going to answer another one .... so I sat back like

this .... and he asked another fellow, "How do you

get to God ?" .... and he said nothing .. he asked, "

How do you get to God ?" and then he turned to me, and

he asked me again, " How you get to God ?" .... and

I just sort of sat back .... and he winked at me and

he said ,"Love all ,serve all ". It really is what

it's all about. There is no doubt about it.

 

I really want to tell you also about the hospital a

little bit. I was very blessed that Sai Baba brought

me forward … and I had told my staff and my folks

..... my brothers and sisters at the Hard Rock .... in

which there were some three or four thousand of us

altogether around the world .... from the day that I

started it back in 1971, ..that this was going to

serve mankind in some way … and one day .... no one

would ever believe me .... I don't think I believed

it myself .... one day, something that this

incredible success that we had had, will somehow serve

mankind. I used to say this on a monthly basis for

many many years. Swami brought someone, just in the

nick of time, because I was near death and exhaustion

from expanding my business all over the world, who

offered me too much money for it. And I consider it to

be a sign from God .... and sold the Hard Rock Cafe

…. it was a public company … it was on the London

Stock Exchange and also the American Stock Exchange …

and after .... it was quite difficult to let it go

... but after a lot of meditation I kept getting signs

..... yes indeed , this is what I want you to do . I

had already set up a foundation called the "Rama

Foundation" many years before and put half of my stock

into that foundation. That foundation received the

benefits from half the sale of the Hard Rock Cafe

which sold for a miraculous hundred and eight million

dollars .... I might say .... oh goodness ! ....

in fact I will never forget ....

 

This reminds me of something else .... Swami ....

there was this big chubby lady came in one day and he

was giving her a lecture about how to cook ..and he

gave her a whole lesson on how to cook .... and we

sat there .... how to boil water .... how to do the

rice .... how to do everything .... went on and on

and on .... and then .... all of you know this

..... he turned and he said ,"Sai Baba weighs a

perfect one hundred and eight pounds. I have (always)

since the age of fourteen , I have weighed a hundred

and eight pounds. " Which is, I think quite

wonderful. It's very important in numerology too ....

there is so much mystery in this world .... so much

more going on than that we are aware of ....

 

.... at any rate I was blessed that .... Sai Baba

.... I went to him and said , "Swami, I have this money

.... "

 

.... " I know , I know , I know " .... you know

..... and he said , "We are going to build a hospital "

....

 

"so what do you want me to do with it ?" ....

 

He said , "We'll build a hospital" ....

 

I said ,"great"

 

I want to say one word about this Sai Baba and money

business . Because everybody says that ," .... Sai

doesn't take any money .... ". Sai needs nothing .

He blessed me by allowing me to give him some money.

He didn't ask for it. He arranged it. He knew I was

coming fifteen life times ago .... for that moment

..... The organisation and how it runs ..is exactly

the same way .... he's opened over two hundred

schools around India .... he has the university

..... the high school .... many others .... they

support. I've seen the books in detail , how the

central trust works . It works on donations . It works

on donations from wealthy Sai devotees who give

anonymously to the Central Trust, and have for years

and years and years. They went to him .... he would

say ,"We are going to build a school " ....

immediately someone comes from somewhere and says

,"here is the money for it " .... he says "great" or

he'll say "no." I have seen him nine times out of ten

refuse because he knows it isn't correct .... it's a

phenomenon ..that's , for me as businessman , has been

incredible to watch and see how it works . It's

something that no one should be frightened of or

embarrassed by .... I mean .... you know I ....

people say, "Oh ! you can't be spiritual and have

money." That's nonsense .... you now .... it's

absolute nonsense. Which you can't be is, completely

worship money and be involved in it.

 

I got to the point ..in fact ..and I am getting

little bit off the subject .... I got to the point

where through meditation, I'd reached a certain state

of mind .... I realised that I was ???? detached from

so many many things .... starting with my daughter

..... who I gave to Sai .... then my wife .... and

material things that I've never cared about

particularly .... and I wrote to him and said , "

Swami , because you have also graced me with this

ability to pull energy into my body through meditation

.... do you want me to just go off into a cave

somewhere and do this meditation ?” And he said , "

In another period of history that would have been

correct ", he said ," but not now ", he said ,"I want

you in the world , I want you with these things , but

I don't want you to be attached to them , I want you

to stand next to them , but not be victimised by them

I want beacons of light in the world , the world must

be purified in this age .... this wonderful age that

we are blessed to have been born into .... because

the new age is upon us …. and I'll `speak more a

little about what Sai has told me about that shortly.

 

The hospital was a blessing .... particularly in

many many many different ways. He asked me to organise

.... the Rama foundation to organise … the

architecture of the hospital. I was blessed to meet a

Professor Keith Kirchlow , who teaches at the Royal

College of Art in London , and Professor Kirchlow is

the worlds leading sacred architect. He knows all the

ancient geometry. He has written many books .... I

cannot understand a single one of them .... but he

is an absolute amazing amazing man and Sai Baba put us

together. I brought Keith down to see Sai Baba , and

Sai Baba said , "Yes this is the man who will do this

hospital ". It was based on ancient geometry. It was

unique to watch the process of the hospital being

built. “The first thing that happens,” Keith said ,

"we must cleanse the land before Swami comes out to do

his pujas and so forth .." And we asked Swami ....

Keith .... "Should we draw on the land itself ....

this ancient Mandala?" And Sai Baba said , " Yes, you

draw the Mandala on the land. " And Keith and I got

into a car and went out to the land , and Keith, as we

were driving , said , "You know, I've only done this

for some Tibetan lamas up in Sikkhim, who asked me to

build a monastery up there , and the Mandala doesn't

work unless there is an eagle on the property or

flying around overhead,” or something like that ,

because you got to do intonements and so forth as well

.. When we got out to the land , there were five eagles

sitting on the ground , right in the spot where we

were to draw the Mandala . We drew this Mandala very

carefully on the land . The eagles literally just

..... they didn't even get up ..they just stepped

aside ..it was quite a miraculous thing . Kitchlow is

a wonderful man and a great devotee of Sathya Sai

Baba. The hospital was built before the medical

planning was even done . It was a matter of form and

had to accept the human spirit. Swami wanted it this

way . It was based on ancient numerology. It's quite

fantastic. One hundred and eight played a primary

degree in the setting of the land and the building

(and) the dome .... thirty three played a great deal

into the geometry …. and …. because of the thirty

three years that Christ was on the planet .... the

whole thing was formed first and … they … we had to

put whatever we wanted inside. It's done in a totally

different way . It's a sacred temple of healing , and

now having been there so many many times , it's quite

miraculous, the feeling you get when you walk into

the building. It's one of extreme divinity , a quite

fantastic place.

 

I was also blessed .... Sai asked me to do the

medical planning . We got Hospital Corporation of

America , which is the leading hospital corporation in

the world. They've built thousands of hospitals around

the world. They did the medical planning for us. He

brought in some of the brightest minds in India and

other countries .... also to take what the Hospital

Corporation had done and tear it all to bits .... and

to start all over again .... and he made many many

changes himself as he told me .... he said , "This is

a prototype .... this is an absolute prototype . "

And I thought , " Well gosh .... what does that mean

, I haven't got a clue ? "

 

He sent me shortly afterwards to the World Health

Organisation in Geneva. I went there and I met with a

group of about twelve of their leading doctors there.

When I put the plans out for them, they were outraged

at the entire idea of this hospital . They said it

will never work … “How could you build a super

specialty hospital when we can't even teach people in

third world countries proper hygiene or how to get

inoculations ?” .... or whatever . They tore me into

little pieces ..which is pretty hard to do .... and

..... I sat there calmly listening to them , knowing

that they were absolutely correct about what they were

saying , except that this was Shri Sathya Sai Baba's

hospital . There was a doctor Singh , who was late to

the meeting of these ten gentleman .... one was from

Japan .... one was from Ghana one was from ???? Dr.

Singh came just as they were taking the last bit of

skin off my body .... and Dr. Singh just took one

look and said "Oh , Sai baba's doing this ..if anyone

can make it happen , it will be Sai Baba ."

 

In fact it's incredible .... because .... Sai Baba

does not give you faith . I am sure that we have all

been through this many many times before .... it's

earned, it's something that's part of the whole

destruction of the ego process .... our ego wants to

deny the existence of God .... period . But … I was

amazed ..even with my own doubts .... to now watch

and see exactly how he has performed .... the

hospital. I say " performed" because it has been a

performance and a half. It has been a start stop

process .... first of all, there is no other

specialty hospital in the world , in the third world

situation free… in fact there is none free ..period ,

that I know of . As you know that, the hospital is on

an hundred acre site. It's about forty buildings

there. It's not only the hospital ..it's all the

backup buildings .... a whole village has been

built… it’s in the process of being completed now …

which will house three thousand five hundred staff and

their families for that hospital . It will be bigger

than the ashram population . It's also the Puttaparthi

hospital .... which I am really excited about ....

because one thing I learned ..I learnt a lot about the

hospital business .... certainly in this type of

situation .... the Puttaparthi hospital has been

almost tripled in size .... they've being seeing on

average, 350 – 400 people a day. In fact for every

two or three thousand people that they see in the

General Hospital , only one needs to go to the Super

Speciality Hospital .

 

The Super Speciality Hospital is a hospital where

they do .... you know .... heart transplants ....

eventually . Right now they are doing open-heart

surgery . When I was there two months ago, they just

completed their one hundred and seventy fifth

open-heart surgery .... in devastating conditions

there .... and the amazing thing was that all the

laws of statistics said that someone should have died

of infection .... someone should have died period.

...but many should have died of infection because it's

still an construction site ..there is still dirt and

dust and so forth . Not one patient has been lost .

It's quite fantastic . The hospital is a four stage

..... it's in four stages .... on his birthday this

year, they're going to open up the next wing of the

hospital .... right at the moment the heart wing

..... he wanted to start with the heart, which is

apropos of our Lord…. the next will be .... I think

..... the urology department .... and that will be

followed by the other two departments over the next

two years . In fact ,they want as a birthday gift to

Swami, to have the urology department going .... it

will be headed by Dr. Bhat , who is the father of

urology in India. If you ever get a chance to speak to

him , he is a wonderful amazing doctor .... Swami

has called there…. Many people have said .... well

..... what's the story .... can we work there ? ....

can we do this ? I think ..yes, the answer is .. ....

in time that will happen .... he has given it to

the Indian community to start off .... and I think

it's absolutely the way it should be done as well

..... the way that he has done it , because the

people at the World Health Organisation said ," You 'd

be overrun .... it will be crazy there", is that

they will operate for two or three weeks and they

stop .... he stops them ..and this gives them the

chance to go back and see what they are not doing

right .... to get all their administration together.

It's a brilliant plan .... and he'll start up again

..... and they will operate for a number of weeks ..and

then he will stop them . The wards are packed ....

twenty five percent are children that have been

operated on ..they have holes in their hearts or

whatever .... it's truly a prototype as Sathya Sai

Baba has said that it is. He told me it was a thousand

year project .... that's very exciting .... it's a

wonderful thing .. and I am sure in time, those who

are qualified .... I am sure there are some among

here who are doctors, will be given an opportunity. I

know that he has just taken a gentleman from Chicago …

is now going to be the head of the blood bank ....

and an Italian gentleman has been chosen to help as

the anaesthesiologists there ..so it's only a matter

of time and karma .... I am sure .... when all of us

can play a role there ..and when I say ,"play a role"

..... I think one of the great experiences I had with

Michael Hollander .... is the year 1976 ..it must've

been .... when we built the stupa that was there and

there were about forty others there .... with the

concrete .... I mean it's a .... it's really the

energy that's the most important thing which you do ,

not .... you know .... the importance in our minds

..... and that brings me to a subject that I am ....

you'll find very curious.

 

Sai Baba told me to move to California . He said , "

You study with Phyllis Krystal." I knew Mrs. Krystal.

I knew she'd written several fabulous books. I knew

that she was a great yogini and had been developing

various spiritual techniques of meditation . I

questioned Sai on this , he said ," You go work with

Mrs. Krystal " .... ??? I have no great talent ,

other than these messages that I receive on occasion

..... and insights .... so I thought well I'd be doing

something about the books .... or make a tape or

something like that will happen .... as it turned out

.... Sai Baba had us in meditation together ....

and we'd go into sort of trance state for four ....

five hours every day . It has been the most

miraculous four years of my life because Sai Baba has

shown me really who he is, and I asked him before I

came here, …. on this last visit .... I said ,

"Should I talk about this ?" And he said ," Yes , yes

, yes , you talk ". He said , "Not many will

understand, but talk ". So I am going to talk about

it and I don't know what the Sai society will feel

about it .... but I am .... I have been given my

marching orders ....

 

Sai Baba is not that little furry haired creature that

we all adore and love .... that's a delusion. He has

said that many many times before .... to be

preoccupied with that form ..you're deluding yourself

..... to know him in his true form is to know him as

everything everywhere everyone. One of the things I've

practiced for many many years in my life …. in my

business .... the payoff is fantastic, because I

don't see personalities .... I see God in every face

..... and I practice that .... just like you

practice meditation .... you practice any of the

spiritual exercises that can be given to you . It's

essential that you get out of the ego conscious state.

It's important for you to realise who you really are.

You are not the mind. You are not the body. You are

all divine beings .... there is no self-realisation

that's given to you .... you already have it. It's

just the matter of removing the veil … the ego ....

it's there for the taking .... it's available to

you . I say this with conviction because over the

last several years Sai Baba has had me, he's shown me

the other dimensions on a daily basis. He's taken me

into every level and plane I assume that one can go

into .... I am sure there are a few more he could

have (shown me too). It may sound bizarre and strange

to you , but you must become aware of the other

dynamics that are happening .... what Sai is really

doing .... it's all matter of your thoughts ....

you talk about ceilings on desires .... I will give

you a ceiling that you MUST be aware of .... and

that's your thoughts . The most powerful thing that

you could do in this dimension is think. Every single

thought is pure energy. That energy .... like the

laws of physics , that energy does not die .... it

collects on something that Sai Baba has given us the

name "the astral plane. " This is where the trash is

… this is where the thoughts are .... this is where

all the thought forms are .... this is where the

?????, the Aztecs , the other great civilisations

..... when their priest class understood the powers

..... the ancient wisdom they create ??? spirits ...

they’re still there ..the elementals are there ....

there is a dimension that we interact with and our

thoughts are also on that d ....

 

.... lust , greed , anger, hatred have collected

on these other dimensions. It's the same as the

positive thoughts … your worship , your love of God ,

and his many aspects .... all the Gods ....

that's collected into positive thought forms on the

"etheric dimension" , as Sai Baba has asked us to call

it. I can only tell you …. and give you an example of

the thought form in something that Sai Baba is up to …

and I am sorry to sort of burden you with this

craziness .... but .... that's the way it is.

 

Sai Baba took Mrs. Krystal and I up to a level he

called the "(tapestry) level" (of) which he showed us

the entire earth with the multi dimensions layered on

top of one another. He showed us the thought form over

the country of Russia, thoughts that had collected

into this massive massive beast really. It was like a

big black cloud of tar with lots of energy and

lightening and so forth going on into it, it was a

very violent thing . He made us approach it very

quietly. He even cloaked us in something. He said , "

This is the thought form that controls Russia ." This

was four years ago. He said ," This thought form is

made up of human thought of the fear of extreme

punishment, that these people have been suppressed

with this fear for a thousand years ." .... long

before the Czars . He said , "This thought form must

be destroyed . " He said , "Only human beings can

destroy these things because human beings created them

with their thoughts ." He then caused these divine

beings .... and I can only tell you …. it's a

blessing that he has shown me …. and this amazing

heavenly hosts on a number of occasions .... one

came forward .... brought the some kind of sacred

needles .... is the only thing I can tell you about

it .... He said , "This thing cannot be destroyed

instantaneously .... I am going to show you what

to do ." He takes us around this thing which covers

the entire county of Russia and we poke holes … and he

says ,"Right there ", and we push a hole into this

thing .... and then he takes us to another spot

..... "right there " .... this took about six hours

of meditation and time .... although there is no

time on these other dimensions. We then went around

this whole thing, I guess we put a 150 - 200 holes in

it. Sai Baba said ,"Now the energy .... energy ….

will leak out of this thought form .... and as it

does … the people will be freed " .... that was

four years ago.

 

The thing that I am trying to make .... the point

that I am trying to make to you is that Sai Baba is

God .... he is dynamic .... he is working on

many many dimensions simultaneously. He is doing

everything to bring in the new age . He has told me ,

" I must … we must destroy the negativity on the other

dimensions as well as this one because we are so

closely connected . It would be useless to clean up

the planet without cleaning up the other dimension (s)

.... because we are affected by these things "

????? we get back to the same shape all over again.

He is absolutely amazing . He is cleaning up all the

dimensions at once. He is working everywhere. So

incredible.

 

But he needs our help. Human beings and their thoughts

created the mess that we're in today . We've all been

reincarnated into this glorious age where an Avatar

walks among us .... a full (Poona) Avatar. He

needs our help. We are his beacons .... I mean it's

a blessing .... all of us have come in contact with

this divine being .... he is bringing us along ....

in most cases he is speeding up our karma. He needs

our help. We created these problems .... God cannot

create negativity .... it's impossible .... he is

pure love .... divine love ..not like human love

..... human love is contracting and grasping ....

divine love is expanding it's quite incredible.

 

He has blessed me … with showing me the feeling of …

that in …. a particular state of samadhi ….which he

blessed me with for a short period of time . He said ,

" Tigrett , that's what the goal is !" … just to sort

of tantalise me .... he gets a kick out of it too.

But the point being .... don't think of Sai Baba as

this marvellous marvellous incarnation that's down in

Puttaparthi .... he is here .... he is in every one

of you .... he is waiting .... he adores you ....

it's so very very important ....

 

Again, I don't want to confuse anybody with the

metaphysical aspects which Sai Baba has blessed me

with .... ???? and just to clear that up when you

say ,"Why this guy ?" …. because I've been saying that

myself for a long time. He has taken me back to a past

life. He's shown me that I was a (shaman) master in an

ancient culture and had the ancient wisdom, and then

my ego got involved .... it was so wonderful, I

thought, well I 'd just fix everything .... I'll

just do this and do that .... and I misused this

knowledge and this power and in the process harmed

many many people. This life is an opportunity to make

good that harm. Just as all of us are leading our own

path, we have our own karma .... just know that he

is with you … because he is absolutely there just

waiting for you .... he does not interfere with your

free will .... he will not do that .... it's his own

law .... but he is there for you when you reach out

for him. We are all truly blessed to be with him.

 

I want to tell you one story that always tickles me.

There was a group in to see him ..a Westerner group

interview .... and he .... one fellow was from

California and had sort of a Navajo ring on … like a

blue stone a turquoise stone .... quite fantastic

..... and Swami said ," Can Swami have ring?"

 

The guy says ,"Sure!" … and there are about ten or

fifteen people there ....

 

And he held the ring up and said, "What's this ?"

 

"Swami .... that it is a Navajo ring made by Indians

in Arizona I believe and has a turquoise stone .”

 

" Very good ", he said , "very good " …. next person

..... "What is this?"

 

"Swami, that's a silver ring with a blue stone "

 

"Very good" .... all the way around the room ....

"What is this? … What is this? … What is this ?" ....

He then held it up and blew on the ring and it turned

into a big gold ring with a ruby on the top ....

"What is this ?"

 

"Swami, that's a big golden ring with a ruby on the

top "

 

"Yes , very happy .... what is this ?"

 

“Swami … it's a gold ring with a red stone "

 

"Very good" all the way around the room, very

patiently as always, "what is this? what is this ?"

..... He stood up in front of the group and said , I

must get it verbatim, "Swami very powerful . Has the

ability to change all the elements of the universe at

will .... but to change one of you Westerners ....

very difficult. "

 

Now there is something that I REALLY hate. Swami asked

me to sing .... and I don't know how to sing .... in

fact I sing off key ..but I am going to try. This is a

little song that's very dear to me. One of my

roommates sang it to me in Puttaparthi … 1974 , ….

and it has been going in my head ever since .... so I

will try …. forgive me …. I don't know how to sing ;

 

" Oh make me like you .... Please make me like you

.... You are a servant, make me one too .... ....

Oh lord , I am willing .... Please do what you must

do .... To make me like you Lord .... Make me like

you. .... Sai Ram

 

Again …. thank ??? most of all .... for inviting me

to come and be here with you this afternoon . So many

people said so many sweet things to me after the chat

..... really the only reason that I want to be here is

to serve him … and if he speaks through me to some of

you .... it would make my whole year ..thank you all

for having me.

 

However , someone said to me," You're really special."

This upsets me a great deal because of a lesson

Swami has given me over and over again. It's really

the problem that mankind has suffered from the

beginning, and that's the feeling of being special.

We're taught in today's world that we are supposed to

be .... better than .... different .... the second

that we fall victim to feeling special we've lost the

whole game completely … you know .... a Christian

says I'm special …. I 'm a Christian .... I am better

than a Jew or a Hindu says .... well I'm special

..... (I'm )better than a Parsi .... or a rich man

says I'm special .... I'm better than a poor person

..... this is the danger .... the danger in life in

general .... we have this amazing association of

mankind …. which it seems in today's world we are so

competitive with one another … wanting to beat the

other guy out .... wanting to be more powerful ...

have a stronger position. You see this typified at Sai

Baba's ashram, where everyone is trying to get closer

to the King and they'll do anything to get there ....

say anything. I just can't warn you enough about

feeling special . Someone came up and even offered me

Sai Baba’s food that they had in the canteen. I was so

upset .... or they even made me break in line to get

my dinner… it's just (a) reminder to me ..thank Swami

for that reminder .... that we are all .... we are

Him. Feeling of being special … being different ....

being better than someone else .... someone came up

to me and said ,"Well I'm so worried about what people

say about me .... Swami gave me an object and people

are jealous because of it and so they say naughty

things to me all the time. " Worrying about what other

people say .... again .... the only lesson that I

have learnt .... because I have had to .... with

great love .... deal with my little Hard Rock family

around the world …. every place in the world ....

it's been fantastic to practice looking beyond the

personality .... to really see God in everyone that

you meet. If you practice it .... (it's) just like

meditation .... and meditation is the way to God ….

I can't tell you enough .... it's just like the

Bhajans .... for years I thought .... well, in

fact, I think I know three after seventeen years

..... you know .... I didn't understand the importance

of that ritual .... how important it is .... it's a

form of meditation .... it's a form of union with God

.... even if you don't know the words .... just to

be there .... and be part of the music .... it's so

very very important .... but meditation is

everything .... again I would like to talk briefly

just for a minute or two .... and there are so many

folks had questions about various things I had said

..... I have questions about some of the things I've

said .... is there anyone who would like to ask any

questions .... because I am not going to take too

much of your time this afternoon ....

 

The work that I do with Mrs. Krystal is so fantastic.

It’s so wonderful and it's available to everybody. Sai

Baba has called this work," New knowledge for a new

age. " .... I besiege all of you .... this is a

book, as I've said before … that there are two books

that Swami has now written through her .... two more

books which will be coming out shortly .... the

proceeds all go to the Sathya Sai Trust .... but

these books are dynamic .... they will help you to

overcome fear ,anger, hatred , greed , lust .... they

are powerful symbols that Sai Baba has given to all of

us. Mrs. Krystal , at the moment, in fact, is in

Switzerland and she is giving chats ... talks there to

huge groups. She's gone to South America .... she

has … just in the past year she's been to France and

England .... all at Sai baba's request. I know that

Sai has said , "There is no one special to me .... no

one " .... because he does treat all of us equally

...I can assure you .... but this is special work

..... he would not have allowed this book to be the

only non-Sai book to be distributed by the (Tustin ?)

centre … and soon to be distributed at the ashram. I

am constantly asking him about this work and he is

constantly affirming ," Yes .... this is new

knowledge for a new age .... it's my gift ." So many

of us have personality problems ... of fears …. of

difficulties … these meditations … this is what this

book is … it's not to be read .... it 's to be

practised. These meditations can solve so many of your

problems .... can alleviate fear and anger .... and

the things so many of us fall victim to .... so … I

again cannot say enough about meditation. It's the

most important part ..to get in contact with your true

nature .... again .... you're not the mind ....

you're not the body .... you're divine beings ....

You have to put something in your daily life to

contact the true personality .... just like someone

may build their body up doing exercise .... there are

spiritual exercises that bring your true personality

to the forefront .... and meditation is so very very

important for all of us …. and communion with one

another .... it's so exciting for me …. I've never

belonged to a Sai centre .... I never stay in one

place long enough to enjoy this sort of communion

..... The fact that you're all here together,

enjoying this wonderful , fabulous place …. it's so

fantastic … I know you will take this energy that Sai

Baba has brought together today and take it back into

your neighbourhoods , wherever you are ....

 

I'd like to talk just for a second about attitude .

It's an attitude that's important to understand. I

was blessed to have money, and people have been

asking me about money this afternoon, blessed to have

money that I wanted to give Sai Baba and I didn't know

how to do it. It was such a strange thing .... the

idea of giving Sai Baba something .... wanting to

give …. being attached to the giving … and finally I

realised that this money that I was giving could not

be accepted until it was given for all .... who maybe

don't have the cash .... if they had it .... liked

to have given. It's when I adopted this attitude that

I approached him .... this was .... this gift ....

that he ??? blessed ..in me in receiving .... was

given in the spirit that it was given for all of us

.....

 

It was the same as the symbol of this bowl which he

gave me at the birthday. I was shocked …. they came

and woke me up at five o'clock in the morning and said

,"Sai Baba wants you to sit up on the podium there

with him." .... and I did so with his command. I was

very embarrassed to be sitting up there .... and

then suddenly he brought out this magnificent bowl

..... huge thing .... and presented it to me. And I

realised as I was sitting there .... that it was just

a symbol .... it represented his grace for the two

thousand workers who worked on this project twenty

four hours a day .... it was a symbol of grace for

the two hundred draughtsmen which drafted day and

night to create this hospital …. everyone had told

that it's physically impossible to create this

hospital .... first of all it takes at least one

years planning and it will take at least three years

to build. It was planned through his grace in six

weeks. It was built in one year. You know .... he

announced .... first of all, he said that he was

going to do the hospital …. couple of weeks later he

says it's going to open in a year from now .... he

announces at the birthday there .... and we all said

," Oh my God …. what we're going to do ?" …. not one

of us on the project believed it could be done ....

talk about being close to Baba and having no faith

..... but indeed it was done .... and .... and ….

it's an amazing achievement and I look forward to all

of you being able to go over there and certainly have

a look at it.

 

It's a beautiful thing that Sai has created for

everybody. It's amazing what he's done as he's

predicted ....( that he was would) .... was first

going to build a model for education and he announced

this twenty years ago when he inaugurated the

university . He said ,"I am going to set up a model

for the Indian government …. of what free education

could be all about .... this school that I am setting

up now will be the model .” With the opening of the

hospital , the prime minister , Mr. Rao came , and he

gave a speech. In that speech he said ,"We are now

accepting the university as the model for the Indian

government of how free education can be given to the

masses ." …. and I have met several of the teams that

he has sent down subsequently, to study what service

and education could be .... now Sai has announced

that this hospital will be a model to the world on how

a hospital can run in a third world environment ....

as we all know what Andhra Pradesh is .... with fifty

five million people just in the state of Andhra

Pradesh alone .... let this hospital be a model of

what free medical care to the masses can be .... I

believe that that 's what we are .... people say ,

"Why isn't everybody a Sai Baba devotee?" .... I

don't know what karma that we have …. to receive this

blessing .... this small Sai family .... on the

Earth .... of course Sai has many many other names

…. and many other cultures. I believe that we are

models .... models we must be as well, to the rest

of the world . And it's so important that we get

over our failings as quickly and fast as we can, to

become beacons for him .

 

Now I like to .... if anyone has any questions ….

I'd love to answer if I can .... ....

 

" yes maam ."

 

“ .... when Baba asked you to get started on the

hospital .... did he give a sense of direction or

did he just say …. “work on the hospital ?"

 

“ the question was .... when Sai Baba said to start

the hospital … did he give a sense of direction? ”

..... I think about forty of us ran off in every

different direction there could possible be .... not

knowing which direction to go in. It became obvious

real quickly that only with his grace would we be

able to come together and make it happen .... it was

a .... I am a very strong hard headed character and

Sai Baba sort of put me in front of the entire Indian

culture .... and tried to .... you know ....

bulldoze my way through .... it's very interesting

because I learnt a great lesson from it .... he

allowed me to go full steam like a little steam engine

.... “right up the middle” as they say in football

..... and then one day he said , " Tigrett, I don't

want you to talk anymore ." I said ,"Okay" .... later

he explained to me .... He said ,"Look .... from

your background .... the way you were raised , there

was no harmony in your family .... there was no

family unit .... you realised that the only way you

're going to get anything done in life was to go out

and do it yourself .... and you never had the

teaching of what a family unit is all about. " He said

, " This hospital experience, for you personally, is

a learning experience of how to work as a team ....

everybody has their part to play ." .... so indeed

..... we all ran off in different directions .... but

he .... absolutely .... we would have meetings for

hours .... and he'd say ,"No …. little left ....

no I want that there .... that should be green ....

this should be red .... this should be twelve feet

tall …. this should be six feet wide .... he knew

exactly what every room and every specification was

going to be .... and he was actively involved with

every aspect of building of that hospital .... just

as he is actively involved with the running of the

hospital as well. I mean , the fact that nobody has

died there defies medicine in general because it's a

construction site and you cannot have an operating

room with even a speck of dust , because when you open

the body …. if a speck of dust or dirt gets in ....

you will have internal infection and you will die. I

think the fact that he comes over there a couple times

a week, while these operations are going on .... he

visits the wards .... he goes to the operating rooms

..... obviously his vibration is cleansing .... so

it's a divine hospital … that's for sure .... with

him over there all the time .

 

“Yes Sir ?”

 

“Will you talk a little bit about the meditations that

you do .... how frequently .... ?"

 

" The question is .... would I talk about the

meditations and so forth?” .... again .... I had no

idea .... I've been aware of other dimensions and

other things going on. I didn't know if I could ever

play a role in it .... obviously I now know that we

each can .... through meditation …. learn a lot about

other dynamics and it humbles you greatly when you

realise that there are more dynamic things than

yourself going on. It all started four years ago. He

asked me to work with Mrs. Phyllis Krystal .... and

it happens probably .... he brings us together for

two or three weeks at a time .... we will meditate

for about 4 – 5 hours a day .... we had these

sessions and then after two or three weeks he'll give

us a break and I'll go off and do some business ….

she will do her thing .... and then he brings us back

again. This is the way it's been for four years. He

asked us to record these journeys. We now have about

four hundred hours on tape of these amazing journeys

into other dimensions .... many discourses that he

has given explaining how things work sort of and it's

so interesting .... most interesting of all ..is that

it's just like grass growing .... it's so simple

..... really really simple .... the unknown always

scares all of us .... it's a natural phenomenon ...

but this work …. primarily means to me that he is

working on many levels at once. It's dynamic to see it

.... again let me sort of tell you .... obviously

there is no way for me to share these things ....

even the experiences I have had .... I find difficult

to believe .... but the effect is what's important

to understand ....

 

Every time you think , you put out energy. Every

single thought. Thought is more powerful even than

action. That's why he says ," Watch your thoughts. "

..... it's so very important because it's pure energy

and it's powerful energy .... and it doesn't just

dissipate somewhere. It gathers together, in what Sai

Baba has called in our work ,"the astral plane " ....

which is where our negative thought forms come

together .... just like the Russian experience which

I told you about .... all this negativity .... this

negative fear that these Russians have had .... it

created a thought form .... a living powerful beast

really, that was still holding them and suppressing

them and keeping them in that particular place. The

same thing happens with lust , greed , anger . Over

the yugas, all of this has collected into huge dynamic

form (s) and what happens is that when you get angry

..... when you get lustful .... when you get hateful

..... when these thing occur .... you are put up like

a tuning fork .... these thing(s) are made of human

energy .... and they feed off human energy .... if

you are not careful .... you can cross a line of

attraction to them …. and they will attach themselves

to you .... and when they do .... then they will

keep you in that frame of mind .... they will keep

you lustful .... they will keep you angry … they will

keep you in this negative .... this is their food ….

they are feeding off of you, as crazy as this may

sound. This is one of the purposes of Mrs. Krystal's

book .... is to show you how to get away …. protect

yourself from these things … it's Sai Baba's book

..... not Mrs. Krystal's. It's the most important work

or word that I can give you really today of my

experience in this life is .... you must watch your

thoughts …. it's so important. A lady came up to me

this afternoon and says ," I am so bloody angry, I am

furious, I am .... " …. it has consumed her

..... anger .... I believe that she has contacted one

of these thought forms .... and that it has control

over her. It is the way things are …. it's very

difficult to understand .... but it's the way things

are ....

 

"Yes maam" .... "

 

???? how the thought form pattern over the United

States compared to the thought form pattern .... "

 

.... well .... you know .... it's the Shiva energy

that's at work right now. There has to be death to be

birth. It's just like flowers dying in the wintertime

so that there can be rebirth. It's just like our

lifetimes .... there is death and there is birth.

It's part of the wheel. It is part of the whole

process for a new age to begin an old age has to be

swept aside. Look what's happening to the planet right

now. The planet itself is being destroyed by mankind.

The biosphere is in danger of collapsing .... totally

collapsing. This awareness is slowly seeping in to not

just America .... or one country .... but the whole

world is becoming aware that we have fouled our own

nest .... and by being so …. they've connecting

themselves to nature because they realise that nature

and ourselves are one the same .... we are a part of

nature .... nature is God .... God is everything

..... so suddenly we are being .... really .... (it

would seems )like a total disaster .... we're all

tuning in to our higher nature through this awareness

that the biosphere is collapsing around our heads. I

worked with the environmental groups , in fact I

started an environmental group in the UK called

"Ark, " .... and got very much into it after I sold my

business .... and became very concerned. I've spent

a lot of time with NASA and several other

organisations and saw .... in fact, part of the

global forum .... the scientific community was the

leading scientists around the world .... it was

headed by Carl Sagan, the famous scientist .... at

the Moscow conference .... all they could say was

that we're doomed. I got so concerned that I went to

Sai Baba and asked him ,"What's going to happen to the

biosphere ?" And he said to me ,"God is allowing

mankind to destroy the Earth .... only when man is

brought to his knees will he turn toward God. " It's

the same thing that's happening to all the oppressed

nations that have been around the world .... look

what has happened .... who would've believed that he

would have broken up Russia and Eastern Europe ....

and some of the South American governments .... and

some of these oppressive countries .... I mean, in a

short period of time .... look what he has done to

the world economy .... we are all marching in the

wrong direction .... we think materialism is going to

bring happiness .... so let's just stomp out

materialism around the world .... and he has brought

the economy of the world almost to its knees ....

there has to be death to be birth . There is a new age

upon us .... a new age of consciousness .... I think

we are all blessed to be here.

 

"Yes Sir."

 

"We know so little about life after death .... you

said that Baba saved you when you swallowed your

tongue ?"

 

"Yes."

 

"Could you expand on that .... what exactly did it

feel .... what did you experience .... ?"

 

"Life after death .... you mean life after delusion

.... don't you !?” I can only tell you , that as far

as my personal experience was concerned, it's really

two fold. I had this experience .... yes .... he

wanted to know what life after death was like or you

know … what's going on . Not that I am an expert ,

but I had a small glimpse .... and I have had others

through meditation. It was a state of total bliss

..... there are no five senses .... you are ???? (not)

bound to anything .... I was in a state of pure ....

its like to be described just as electricity ....

but it was totally peaceful .... it was wonderful

..... I didn't really want to go back. In fact if you

recall, Mr. Cowan , who Baba brought back to life

..... I think there was a group that interviewed him

at one time .... " What's it like to return back

to earth ?" He said it was like returning to a sewer

…. I don't really care about being in the etheric

plane or this plane .... I just like to be merged

with Sai Baba permanently. I have had visitations from

my own brothers and I have constant visitations , in

fact, from people on the other side. They're in a

continuous state of learning. It's still a learning

process , but the action is down here. Everybody is

waiting to get down here, because this is where you

burn the karma off. This is where the action is ....

in this dimension ....

 

"Yes Sir "

 

" I heard that you are incorporating these management

practises …. that you used in the Hard Rock Cafe

..... is there some sort of book or lecture series

..... ."

 

"This is it ! The question was .... putting the

practises of Sai Baba into your business .... and no

I am not writing a book about it and I hope Swami

doesn't ask me to …. but , what I am doing is

practising .... and I think any person who has a

business .... it doesn't make any difference what it

is .... people say , "Hey ! that guy is not a Sai

devotee ..he runs a bar " .... another devotee may

say , " He's just a street sweeper” .... you know

..... or this guy .... “he's just a carpenter ....

how can he do big things ?" It's nonsense. It doesn't

make any difference what anyone does. It's how you do

it. Work is worship .... as long as you do it

"dharmically" , "right thinking " , "right acting. "

I thought I've retired from a business that just

about ran me into the ground. Sai Baba now has me

doing it again, and he has just blessed a project

..... and I'm opening something called the "House of

Blues " …. which is a series of rhythm and blues

places .... three of them will open very shortly

..... before the end of this year .... and I can't

believe it …. he has me doing it again ….enough is

enough you know .... but he has told me that it must

be done "dharmically. " "The Hard Rock was a high

school .... you passed .... just barely, Tigrett ",

he said," now it's time to go to college." .... I

don't have to learn a whole new scene but .... the

point being is that now I am doing it totally

different from the last time .... the last time it

was done with the heart and probably less mind ....

it's so very important ....

 

…. and there's a meditation , in fact, there are

two meditations I'd like to give you today ....

because …. he's told me just recently that .... he

is everything .... he is all action …. he is the

Kundalini power. The Kundalini power …. the action of

God .... this incredible creative force .... is

like a freight train. Unless it is balanced between

the male and female aspects .... it will run off into

a (cull de sac) ….."This is what causes wars ," he

told me .... you know .... too much of the male

thinking .... It’s a combination of the head and

heart . It has to be balanced .... it must be

balanced .... all of us are out of balance …. usually

in one form or another .... we all have a male and a

female aspect .... ying and the yang …. it's as

ancient as the day is long and we have to be guarded

at all times to balance this. There is a meditation

which he gave to Mrs. Krystal and myself several

years ago. He has now reiterated that this is the most

important meditation you can do . It's called the TREE

MEDITATION . In fact, in many other cultures, in the

mystical side of other cultures, starting with

Christianity , this meditation was a predominant one.

It's very simple. I'll give it to you very quickly.

 

You simply sit in a quiet spot … you imagine yourself

..... you’re sitting in a lotus position or whatever

you can get .... as close to it .... as a tree

..... as a tree .... your favourite tree .... maybe

it's an oak tree. And then you imagine that above you

..... rising to the sky are the branches of that tree

..... bellow you …. going down into the Mother Earth ….

is the root system of that tree .... which is the

duplicate of the branches, really .... and then you

must now pull in the energy .... the branches in the

sky represent the Male Father .... the roots in the

Earth represent the Mother …. the Divine Mother … and

you must breath in this energy .... first you imagine

pulling in energy through the branch system into your

body .... and you exhale .... because when you pull

in divine energy …. it replaces something …. this is

an very important meditation .... probably the most

important for this age as well .... and as you exhale

…. you exhale all that is replaced .... the

unnecessary parts .... and you pull in .... and you

exhale .... once you feel that and you've got that

going …. then you …. go to the root system .... this

is the Divine Mother .... this is the yin …. and

you must pull in this energy from those root systems

..... this is starting to keep the balance going ....

you pull in this energy .... you exhale what is

unnecessary .... then you do both simultaneously

..... you pull in from both sides at once .... if you

practise this .... you will be amazed at the actual

power that you'll feel and the harmony within your own

being . He told me that this is the most important

meditation that you can do ....

 

There is one other .... which is a matter that I do

..... and have done since he gave it to me. I do it

everyday . I don't know if it's of interest to you,

but I feel I should tell it to you. I ask him for

five things, he's just given me a sixth recently.

First I ask him to “think through me” .... and as I

ask this, I breathe in. The breath .... the (

Pranayama) is so powerful …. I ask him to “think

through me” .... I ask him then to “feel through me”

..... again …. this is the head and the heart once

again .... I ask him to “speak through me” .... I

ask him to “feel through me” .... I ask him to “act

through me” .... I ask him to “love through me”

..... this is really .... one of the .... this is the

whole (ball) of wax really .... because it's the yin

and the yang .... the head and the heart . Speaking

..... that's a result of the balance between the two

..... acting .... that is the action .... and loving

.... that's the divine aspect which covers the whole

(ball of wax) .... He just recently asked me to add

to that .... “breath through me” .... so it's a very

very important meditation.

 

Those two, if there is anything I can give you today

that has been meaningful to me in my life .... and

into hopefully getting a little bit further down the

path .... though I can't confess getting very far ….

those two meditations will help in every way.

 

"Anyone else ? .... yes Sir "

 

" When you breath out .... do you breath out through

the branches ?"

 

“ No, just breath out through your mouth” .... and

what this is , really is all the negativity, every

energy that you bring in from the divine source

replaces something in your body and that must be

expelled. Imagine breathing out all the negative

unnecessary things. Very important, concentration is

everything .... and I know we all have trouble with

concentration .... we meditate when we go home ....

our mind goes here, there, everywhere. Keep at it . I

have trouble everyday …. but …. I just .... through

these exercises .... in time… it's very simple ....

it's just like seeing God in every single individual

..... seeing beyond the personality .... soon you will

see God everywhere ....

 

"You breath out through the mouth ?"

 

"Yes .... yes Sir "

 

(QUESTION NOT RECORDED CLEARLY) “You were speaking

about the negative thought forms and the positive

thought forms .... is it accurate to say that

????????? we are trying to focus on one at the expense

of the other ????"

 

Well you hopefully are tuning into more positive

things than negative things .... the five senses

..... you have to conquer .... .... and that is what

leads to lust, greed, anger, envy, hatefulness, and

things like that. Prayer .... meditation …. that is

putting out energy in a positive sense .... that is

connecting yourself with your true nature ....

 

(QUESTION NOT RECORDED CLEARLY)

 

“By doing something positive .... you're setting the

negative aside .... depends on how you spend your

time .... "Yes sir "

 

(QUESTION NOT RECORDED CLEARLY) “????? do we have the

time ?"

 

..of course .... you have thousands of lifetimes

you've come from and probably there will be a few more

in the future. You got to realise that once you become

aware in reincarnation .... and I think you have to

be .... to intellectually understand how things work

…. once you become aware that you've been here before

and you're liable to be here again some other

lifetimes …. (????? this personality "Isaac" ....

and the) totality of this experience is just a blink

..... it's nothing .... it's meaningless

 

"Yes Maam"

 

(TWO QUESTIONS NOT RECORDED CLEARLY)

 

He has, in a meditation about a year ago .... both

…. Mrs. Krystal and I do this together …. we do this

because we were both naughty in a past life .... and

this is an opportunity .... we balance each others

energy out for some reason .... I don't understand it

.... but Sai says," You don't have to .... just do

it !" He brought us to an abyss .... it was like an

abyss … it was a cavern .... what can I tell you?

..... and there was the other side .... and he said

,"Turn around and look behind you ." We turned

around and looked and here were all of the lives of

every human .... of every human experience since the

very beginning of time, and they were all connected

with three chains. One chain was the lineage of their

father. One chain was the lineage of their mother and

one chain …. it was a karmic chain. He then said ,

"Look back the other way. " .... I know you all think

it's a fairy tale …. but it's not .... we looked back

..... and he said ,"Over this crevasse .... that is

the new age ", he said , "none of this can come with

us .... we must cut the chains first .... before we

can pass over to the other side. " Now .... it's a

process that I think he is doing with all his devotees

.... I think we are blessed .... and will be blessed

to help others over …. and I think that is one of the

reasons that he has created the Sai family.

 

"Yes Maam"

 

“ I would like to know at what point do we merge with

the Lord?”

 

Well , I can't answer that for myself or anyone else

..... but certainly when you have reached a state of

consciousness .... ????? when you merge with the Lord

…. there have been many many souls that have, and

there are many souls that he has said ,"This is your

last life." I don't understand the true dynamics of

everything. I know that that's my (gold or goal ?) .

In fact, I sort of hope that this isn't my last

life, because I'd like to come back and help Prema

Sai, if I can in any way.

 

"Yes Sir"

 

"Once you said that to do your work … and work is a

worship .... but work could be different kind … like

a butcher .... you know the man who cuts the cows

..... cuts the meat and all those things .... does he

think that is a wrong thing .... change it or still

go on doing the same thing ?"

 

It doesn't make any difference what you do. The

question was .... does it make any difference if

you're cutting weeds or if you're doing this or doing

that .... should you change your job …. or should you

do something better or something more important ....

The only thing that's important is the way you do it .

Doesn't make any difference what you do .... totally

unimportant. It's how you do it.

 

"Yes Sir"

 

(QUESTION NOT RECORDED CLEARLY)

 

Well, you should do things for him .You should give

up your work to him. Work is worship. Simply deliver

the action to him .... it's like I have slowly come

to understand .... through seventeen years of

contemplation and meditation ..that' it's not

important how the outcome .... what the outcome of my

action is .... think about two guys who ....

..(CASSETTE TAPE ABRUPTLY ENDS)

 

(END OF TRANSCRIPT)

[Guest guest]

Sai Ram. I have a couple of I. Tigrett tapes from an USA Southeastern

Sai Conference dated May 23, 1992, also David & Elaine Gries were

speakers at that time. Another set of I. Tigrett Tapes I have are dated

September 5, 1992 from the Atlanta, Georgia SE Sai Conference.

[Guest guest]

Isaac Tigrett talk about Sathya Sai Baba · Sometime around June 1993, someone

gave thiscassette tape to our family. It contained a recordingof a fascinating

talk given by Mr. Isaac Tigrett aboutSathya Sai Baba.. According to an e-mail

that I got ,the talk was supposed to have been given on March 3rd, 1992. (If

you can, please let me know the placewhere this talk was given).

[Guest guest]

Jai sai Ram

 

Rajani <rajanimohan > wrote:

Isaac Tigrett talk about Sathya Sai Baba

· Sometime around June 1993, someone gave this

cassette tape to our family. It contained a recording

of a fascinating talk given by Mr. Isaac Tigrett about

Sathya Sai Baba.. According to an e-mail that I got ,

the talk was supposed to have been given on March 3

rd, 1992. (If you can, please let me know the place

where this talk was given).