Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Hi Adraine, 1. Definitely don't let what another person says about her experiences, influence your dedication to your own practice or cause you any fear. You just practice exactly as you were instructed. 2. Not judging anything in either direction, just because someone states something does not necessarily make it true. 3. The instructions of IAM are definitely not to meditate anywhere near 6 hrs a day. They are much more limiting than this. If someone has laid the ground work, then someone can do it longer and more often, but they are directed to discuss this with the more experienced instructors. 4. In truth, you don't know what other practices she is doing, and what traumas she may have experienced in her life, her actual state of mental health, etc. Your direction about guiding her to talk to one of the swamis or Amma was the best suggestion. She doesn't need to wait for tour either to try to do so. 5. Many people claim to have this or that Kundalini experience(s), and that they can't stay "grounded", etc. In my personal experience, and from listening carefully to how Amma has commented about various people going through this or that experience near Her, I would say that most of this is just emotional outburst of one type or another, not actual kundalini effects. The problem is that too many people have read too many books on the subject or been around other groups where people are exhibiting all sorts of things (some of which may be legitimate and some not), so they feel they have to do this too to be like the rest of the group. I hope this helps. Jai Maa! Surya - Adriane Ammachi Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:04 PM Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some of the rules on IAM. Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Hello Mahamuni, No need to worry! There is NO WAY that I would not do IAM practice. When I miss it-which is very rare-I can really tell....(who should I tell ....LOL). I usually practice 2x a day which Swami said was ok to do. I find it helps me thru all things with Amma's grace. Thanks so much for your response. Her story took up a lot of time afterward Satsang and became even exhausting as she retold this story many times over. We tried to help her in stating that with Amma, nothing She gives us would lead us astray or cause an imbalance. I know the 6 hr thing was not IAM. But nothing we said was helpful to her nor something she wanted to hear it seems. We will give her an IAM teacher's number/email and Swamiji's. Maybe they can help redirect her. thanks again, in Amma, adriane Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Hi Adraine, > > 1. Definitely don't let what another person says about her experiences, influence your dedication to your own practice or cause you any fear. You just practice exactly as you were instructed. > > 2. Not judging anything in either direction, just because someone states something does not necessarily make it true. > > 3. The instructions of IAM are definitely not to meditate anywhere near 6 hrs a day. They are much more limiting than this. If someone has laid the ground work, then someone can do it longer and more often, but they are directed to discuss this with the more experienced instructors. > > 4. In truth, you don't know what other practices she is doing, and what traumas she may have experienced in her life, her actual state of mental health, etc. Your direction about guiding her to talk to one of the swamis or Amma was the best suggestion. She doesn't need to wait for tour either to try to do so. > > 5. Many people claim to have this or that Kundalini experience (s), and that they can't stay "grounded", etc. In my personal experience, and from listening carefully to how Amma has commented about various people going through this or that experience near Her, I would say that most of this is just emotional outburst of one type or another, not actual kundalini effects. The problem is that too many people have read too many books on the subject or been around other groups where people are exhibiting all sorts of things (some of which may be legitimate and some not), so they feel they have to do this too to be like the rest of the group. > > I hope this helps. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > - > Adriane > Ammachi > Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:04 PM > Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some > of the rules on IAM. > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > - ----------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > - ----------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 greetings beautiful brothers and sisters.AMMAs sun has learned that he is not qualified to discuss anyone elses experience.AMMAs sun barely has clarity on his own experiences let alone someone elses. we all have a personal relationship with AMMA ,yet there is one UNIVERSAL TRUTH that bonds us all together.what works for one of HER children may not work for another.that is not because of AMMA ,that is because of the disposition of our personallitys.try not to COMPARE.just keep moving forward with a sincere effort to grow and to serve. we should try not to get distracted .AMMA says for us to move with shradda(faith and alertness).if anything we should learn to pray for people and not speculate thier experiences. its all a test of our FAITH.AMMA wants us to expand.SHE wants us to grow.it is up to us to ACCEPT THIS WITH ALL OF OUR HEARTS. love ,AMMAs sun >"Mahamuni" <mahamuni >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? >Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:18:24 -0700 > >Hi Adraine, > >1. Definitely don't let what another person says about her experiences, >influence your dedication to your own practice or cause you any fear. You >just practice exactly as you were instructed. > >2. Not judging anything in either direction, just because someone states >something does not necessarily make it true. > >3. The instructions of IAM are definitely not to meditate anywhere near 6 >hrs a day. They are much more limiting than this. If someone has laid the >ground work, then someone can do it longer and more often, but they are >directed to discuss this with the more experienced instructors. > >4. In truth, you don't know what other practices she is doing, and what >traumas she may have experienced in her life, her actual state of mental >health, etc. Your direction about guiding her to talk to one of the swamis >or Amma was the best suggestion. She doesn't need to wait for tour either >to try to do so. > >5. Many people claim to have this or that Kundalini experience(s), and >that they can't stay "grounded", etc. In my personal experience, and from >listening carefully to how Amma has commented about various people going >through this or that experience near Her, I would say that most of this is >just emotional outburst of one type or another, not actual kundalini >effects. The problem is that too many people have read too many books on >the subject or been around other groups where people are exhibiting all >sorts of things (some of which may be legitimate and some not), so they >feel they have to do this too to be like the rest of the group. > >I hope this helps. > >Jai Maa! > >Surya > - > Adriane > Ammachi > Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:04 PM > Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some > of the rules on IAM. > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 I'm not in a position to say what is or isn't due to kundalini, but I have absolutely seen intensive spiritual practices exacerbate mental imbalances (to the point of psychosis). I have heard of cases where Amma has told people in such a situation to stop meditating. I feel it was the best thing to direct the person to a swami for guidance. Don't worry about the implications of this person's situation for your own practice. It doesn't seem relevant. Iswari Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane wrote: > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some > of the rules on IAM. > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 ONS, When I began meditating again a number of years ago, I would sit for about 2 hours at a time, & try to meditate more than once a day. I had some old mental stuff come up. Without my mentioning it, my spiritual teacher said that if this happened, then I was over doing it. He also said to focus on the spiritual eye area, if bothersome thoughts persisted. Sweta ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: I'm not in a position to say what is or isn't due to kundalini, but I have absolutely seen intensive spiritual practices exacerbate mental imbalances (to the point of psychosis). I have heard of cases where Amma has told people in such a situation to stop meditating. I feel it was the best thing to direct the person to a swami for guidance. Don't worry about the implications of this person's situation for your own practice. It doesn't seem relevant. Iswari Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane wrote: > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some > of the rules on IAM. > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Thanks for everyone's responses. I was mainly curious if anyone had heard of having so much trouble with meditation. Amma gives us such clear direction on the IAM and I know She will not ever fail us. This is why it is so important to follow the instructions of our guru. She knows what is best always for each of us. I have heard of overmeditating and mental imbalances possibly being aggravated or coming up. We have referred this person to the experts-Amma and/or a Swami of Amma's since like everyone else, I can't even begin to be close to helping her with what is going on. I am just a worm in the mud, really. thanks, adriane Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits wrote: > > greetings beautiful brothers and sisters.AMMAs sun has learned that he is > not qualified to discuss anyone elses experience.AMMAs sun barely has > clarity on his own experiences let alone someone elses. > > > we all have a personal relationship with AMMA ,yet there is one UNIVERSAL > TRUTH that bonds us all together.what works for one of HER children may not > work for another.that is not because of AMMA ,that is because of the > disposition of our personallitys.try not to COMPARE.just keep moving forward > with a sincere effort to grow and to serve. > > we should try not to get distracted .AMMA says for us to move with > shradda(faith and alertness).if anything we should learn to pray for people > and not speculate thier experiences. > > its all a test of our FAITH.AMMA wants us to expand.SHE wants us to grow.it > is up to us to ACCEPT THIS WITH ALL OF OUR HEARTS. love ,AMMAs sun > > > > >"Mahamuni" <mahamuni > >Ammachi > ><Ammachi> > >Re: Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > >Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:18:24 -0700 > > > >Hi Adraine, > > > >1. Definitely don't let what another person says about her experiences, > >influence your dedication to your own practice or cause you any fear. You > >just practice exactly as you were instructed. > > > >2. Not judging anything in either direction, just because someone states > >something does not necessarily make it true. > > > >3. The instructions of IAM are definitely not to meditate anywhere near 6 > >hrs a day. They are much more limiting than this. If someone has laid the > >ground work, then someone can do it longer and more often, but they are > >directed to discuss this with the more experienced instructors. > > > >4. In truth, you don't know what other practices she is doing, and what > >traumas she may have experienced in her life, her actual state of mental > >health, etc. Your direction about guiding her to talk to one of the swamis > >or Amma was the best suggestion. She doesn't need to wait for tour either > >to try to do so. > > > >5. Many people claim to have this or that Kundalini experience (s), and > >that they can't stay "grounded", etc. In my personal experience, and from > >listening carefully to how Amma has commented about various people going > >through this or that experience near Her, I would say that most of this is > >just emotional outburst of one type or another, not actual kundalini > >effects. The problem is that too many people have read too many books on > >the subject or been around other groups where people are exhibiting all > >sorts of things (some of which may be legitimate and some not), so they > >feel they have to do this too to be like the rest of the group. > > > >I hope this helps. > > > >Jai Maa! > > > >Surya > > - > > Adriane > > Ammachi > > Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:04 PM > > Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > > > > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to > > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some > > of the rules on IAM. > > > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be > > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms of > >Service. > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 This advice -- Sweta wrote: "He also said to focus on the spiritual eye area, if bothersome thoughts persisted." -- may be an example of the importance of having individualized guidance on the path. Because Amma has advised in at least several different places to put the focus on the heart center when the crown area is overloaded. I personally find a cup or two or four of milk to be a grounding physical solution to psychic imbalance. But that may be my constitution. lots of love, prashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 I must add two cents here , I do believe that Mental balance is extremely important in any practice ! , meditation yoga especially require mental stability. Anything off the norm could be potentially hazardous to such individual and there is huge difference between actual experience of rising kundalini and just mental imaginings . Someone mentioned in a post of another person complaining of some discomfort around Mahatmas because of rising kundalini. I am not expert in it , however I find it very unlikely that around Amma anyone could find such discomfort caused by Mahatma such as Amma , I doubt Amma Herself would cause such discomfort to the individual ( it could be just persons mental state that is causing such feeling ) . Amma did mention that if in any practice a person feels uncomforted they should stop and give themselves a brake. Question was posed ,about meditation on third eye and how that individual actually experienced a pain sensation in the third eye region. Amma clearly stated " to stop , giving oneself a brake" . Like with everything else in life a common sense discrimination i a key and a well balanced approach. . Namaste, Joanna > > Thanks for everyone's responses. I was mainly curious if anyone had > heard of having so much trouble with meditation. Amma gives us such > clear direction on the IAM and I know She will not ever fail us. > This is why it is so important to follow the instructions of our > guru. She knows what is best always for each of us. I have heard of > overmeditating and mental imbalances possibly being aggravated or > coming up. > > We have referred this person to the experts-Amma and/or a Swami of > Amma's since like everyone else, I can't even begin to be close to > helping her with what is going on. I am just a worm in the mud, > really. > > thanks, > adriane > > > > Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits@> > wrote: > > > > greetings beautiful brothers and sisters.AMMAs sun has learned > that he is > > not qualified to discuss anyone elses experience.AMMAs sun barely > has > > clarity on his own experiences let alone someone elses. > > > > > > we all have a personal relationship with AMMA ,yet there is one > UNIVERSAL > > TRUTH that bonds us all together.what works for one of HER > children may not > > work for another.that is not because of AMMA ,that is because of > the > > disposition of our personallitys.try not to COMPARE.just keep > moving forward > > with a sincere effort to grow and to serve. > > > > we should try not to get distracted .AMMA says for us to move with > > shradda(faith and alertness).if anything we should learn to pray > for people > > and not speculate thier experiences. > > > > its all a test of our FAITH.AMMA wants us to expand.SHE wants us > to grow.it > > is up to us to ACCEPT THIS WITH ALL OF OUR HEARTS. love ,AMMAs sun > > > > > > > > >"Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> > > >Ammachi > > ><Ammachi> > > >Re: Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > >Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:18:24 -0700 > > > > > >Hi Adraine, > > > > > >1. Definitely don't let what another person says about her > experiences, > > >influence your dedication to your own practice or cause you any > fear. You > > >just practice exactly as you were instructed. > > > > > >2. Not judging anything in either direction, just because > someone states > > >something does not necessarily make it true. > > > > > >3. The instructions of IAM are definitely not to meditate > anywhere near 6 > > >hrs a day. They are much more limiting than this. If someone > has laid the > > >ground work, then someone can do it longer and more often, but > they are > > >directed to discuss this with the more experienced instructors. > > > > > >4. In truth, you don't know what other practices she is doing, > and what > > >traumas she may have experienced in her life, her actual state of > mental > > >health, etc. Your direction about guiding her to talk to one of > the swamis > > >or Amma was the best suggestion. She doesn't need to wait for > tour either > > >to try to do so. > > > > > >5. Many people claim to have this or that Kundalini experience > (s), and > > >that they can't stay "grounded", etc. In my personal experience, > and from > > >listening carefully to how Amma has commented about various > people going > > >through this or that experience near Her, I would say that most > of this is > > >just emotional outburst of one type or another, not actual > kundalini > > >effects. The problem is that too many people have read too many > books on > > >the subject or been around other groups where people are > exhibiting all > > >sorts of things (some of which may be legitimate and some not), > so they > > >feel they have to do this too to be like the rest of the group. > > > > > >I hope this helps. > > > > > >Jai Maa! > > > > > >Surya > > > - > > > Adriane > > > Ammachi > > > Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:04 PM > > > Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > > > > > > > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, > who > > > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing > her to > > > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" > most of > > > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual > practices. > > > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > > > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not > afraid") > > > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality > if she > > > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > > > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. > Those of > > > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > > > > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. > She > > > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > > > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she > followed some > > > of the rules on IAM. > > > > > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk > to one > > > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > > > > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able > to be > > > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > > > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > b.. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > c.. > Terms of > > >Service. > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - > it's FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Namah Shivayah, I just had to comment on this subject, because it really struck a chord with what I am going through right now. I have been having a whole host of physical and spiritual "symptoms" (for lack of a better word) lately and have also found myself having a hard time staying in my body/not going into a depersonalized state. All of this is not a result of meditation or practices (which I must admit I have fallen short on lately!)....it is all spontaneous. I think it is difficult to speculate on WHAT this is whether it is ourselves or someone else going through it. At this point, I am still rendered confused...but I am also understanding it to be Amma's will that I go through this process for reasons I am obviously unaware of yet! I am keeping a detailed journal of these experiences. The last half dozen or so posts on my website deal with this. It's at http://www.ammaschildren.com under the "Amma Journal". If anyone has any ideas or suggestions, feel free to contact me. I think it can help to connect with others who are going through the same thing since it is almost impossible to explain to someone who is not going through it. Much love to all of my brothers and sisters on this list! I know I haven't posted in awhile, and it is due precisely to this spiritual upheaval I am going through. In Her Service, Ananthasree Ammachi, "joannapollner" <joannapollner wrote: > > I must add two cents here , I do believe that Mental balance is extremely important in any > practice ! , meditation yoga especially require mental stability. Anything off the norm could > be potentially hazardous to such individual and there is huge difference between actual > experience of rising kundalini and just mental imaginings . Someone mentioned in a post > of another person complaining of some discomfort around Mahatmas because of rising > kundalini. I am not expert in it , however I find it very unlikely that around Amma anyone > could find such discomfort caused by Mahatma such as Amma , I doubt Amma Herself > would cause such discomfort to the individual ( it could be just persons mental state that > is causing such feeling ) . Amma did mention that if in any practice a person feels > uncomforted they should stop and give themselves a brake. Question was posed ,about > meditation on third eye and how that individual actually experienced a pain sensation in > the third eye region. Amma clearly stated " to stop , giving oneself a brake" .. Like with > everything else in life a common sense discrimination i a key and a well balanced > approach. . > > Namaste, Joanna > > > > Thanks for everyone's responses. I was mainly curious if anyone had > > heard of having so much trouble with meditation. Amma gives us such > > clear direction on the IAM and I know She will not ever fail us. > > This is why it is so important to follow the instructions of our > > guru. She knows what is best always for each of us. I have heard of > > overmeditating and mental imbalances possibly being aggravated or > > coming up. > > > > We have referred this person to the experts-Amma and/or a Swami of > > Amma's since like everyone else, I can't even begin to be close to > > helping her with what is going on. I am just a worm in the mud, > > really. > > > > thanks, > > adriane > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits@> > > wrote: > > > > > > greetings beautiful brothers and sisters.AMMAs sun has learned > > that he is > > > not qualified to discuss anyone elses experience.AMMAs sun barely > > has > > > clarity on his own experiences let alone someone elses. > > > > > > > > > we all have a personal relationship with AMMA ,yet there is one > > UNIVERSAL > > > TRUTH that bonds us all together.what works for one of HER > > children may not > > > work for another.that is not because of AMMA ,that is because of > > the > > > disposition of our personallitys.try not to COMPARE.just keep > > moving forward > > > with a sincere effort to grow and to serve. > > > > > > we should try not to get distracted .AMMA says for us to move with > > > shradda(faith and alertness).if anything we should learn to pray > > for people > > > and not speculate thier experiences. > > > > > > its all a test of our FAITH.AMMA wants us to expand.SHE wants us > > to grow.it > > > is up to us to ACCEPT THIS WITH ALL OF OUR HEARTS. love ,AMMAs sun > > > > > > > > > > > > >"Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> > > > >Ammachi > > > ><Ammachi> > > > >Re: Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > > >Sat, 22 Apr 2006 21:18:24 -0700 > > > > > > > >Hi Adraine, > > > > > > > >1. Definitely don't let what another person says about her > > experiences, > > > >influence your dedication to your own practice or cause you any > > fear. You > > > >just practice exactly as you were instructed. > > > > > > > >2. Not judging anything in either direction, just because > > someone states > > > >something does not necessarily make it true. > > > > > > > >3. The instructions of IAM are definitely not to meditate > > anywhere near 6 > > > >hrs a day. They are much more limiting than this. If someone > > has laid the > > > >ground work, then someone can do it longer and more often, but > > they are > > > >directed to discuss this with the more experienced instructors. > > > > > > > >4. In truth, you don't know what other practices she is doing, > > and what > > > >traumas she may have experienced in her life, her actual state of > > mental > > > >health, etc. Your direction about guiding her to talk to one of > > the swamis > > > >or Amma was the best suggestion. She doesn't need to wait for > > tour either > > > >to try to do so. > > > > > > > >5. Many people claim to have this or that Kundalini experience > > (s), and > > > >that they can't stay "grounded", etc. In my personal experience, > > and from > > > >listening carefully to how Amma has commented about various > > people going > > > >through this or that experience near Her, I would say that most > > of this is > > > >just emotional outburst of one type or another, not actual > > kundalini > > > >effects. The problem is that too many people have read too many > > books on > > > >the subject or been around other groups where people are > > exhibiting all > > > >sorts of things (some of which may be legitimate and some not), > > so they > > > >feel they have to do this too to be like the rest of the group. > > > > > > > >I hope this helps. > > > > > > > >Jai Maa! > > > > > > > >Surya > > > > - > > > > Adriane > > > > Ammachi > > > > Saturday, April 22, 2006 9:04 PM > > > > Unbalanced from Spiritual Practices? > > > > > > > > > > > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, > > who > > > > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing > > her to > > > > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" > > most of > > > > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual > > practices. > > > > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > > > > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not > > afraid") > > > > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality > > if she > > > > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > > > > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. > > Those of > > > > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > > > > > > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. > > She > > > > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > > > > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she > > followed some > > > > of the rules on IAM. > > > > > > > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk > > to one > > > > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > > > > > > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able > > to be > > > > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > > > > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any > > thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > > > > > b.. > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > c.. > > Terms of > > > >Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 >From my experiences and understanding: Trouble staying in one's body can be a result of too much meditating or too much contemplation. Amma says householders (ie, non-intense sadhaks) shouldn't meditate more than 15? minutes at a time. She also says that if certain symptoms come up like insomnia or sensation of light/sensitivity to light, that one should stop meditating entirely for a few days. The ones I've known to experience this, don't have the discipline/patience to stop. In Path of the Mother, I believe it was, a Householder starting having intense visual experiences and after they asked Amma, who told them to ask a Swami, the swami said that the guy should stop meditating entirely for a few days, since there was a real danger of going mad if he didn't have enough strength to continue through it (maybe someone can post the quote). This could have been predicted because there was no mention of guy being an intense sadhak, and experiences like his are often cases of energy overload. Concentrating on the Third Eye, versus the heart, Amma has said can create problems. Common side-effect of good satsang or productive sadhana: Insomnia for THAT NIGHT ONLY (you're wide awake for a long time, having burnt away the tamas in the yagya of concentration). IF it is Kundalini, one way to help it calm down (sleep) is to do lots of physical exercise to redirect your praana to the others (meditation uses alot of Samana for concentration and somewhat feeds Udaana). People who do lots of computer programming sometimes get diagnosed with "stomach paralysis" and digestive trouble, because most of their day is spent in their head. Psychological problems that I've seen in people complaining of the same effects: Not facing your problems with others, or those having a people pleasing attitude. It causes your psyche to fragment and stay a witness to your body. Swami P on one of the talks mentions the difference between aspiration and ambition (fueled by passion), so perhaps the 6 hours of meditation alone is causing all this. tom Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane wrote: > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her to > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed some > of the rules on IAM. > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to be > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2006 Report Share Posted April 23, 2006 Hi Tom, I thought it might be this-at least I have heard of this before. Isn't this also in the Pantanjali Sutras? I thought there was some mention of it but of course, I could be quite wrong on that count. I have heard of it somewhere before and thought it creates too much heat on the brain. I know overexercise can also cause excessive heat in the body and hence brain causing too much mental activity (though most of us Americans really cannot claim this!) And too much yoga can also do this. Thanks for sharing your insights about this. adriane Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote: > > From my experiences and understanding: > > Trouble staying in one's body can be a result of too much meditating > or too much contemplation. Amma says householders (ie, non- intense > sadhaks) shouldn't meditate more than 15? minutes at a time. She > also says that if certain symptoms come up like insomnia or sensation > of light/sensitivity to light, that one should stop meditating > entirely for a few days. The ones I've known to experience this, > don't have the discipline/patience to stop. In Path of the Mother, > I believe it was, a Householder starting having intense visual > experiences and after they asked Amma, who told them to ask a Swami, > the swami said that the guy should stop meditating entirely for a few > days, since there was a real danger of going mad if he didn't have > enough strength to continue through it (maybe someone can post the > quote). This could have been predicted because there was no mention > of guy being an intense sadhak, and experiences like his are often > cases of energy overload. > > Concentrating on the Third Eye, versus the heart, Amma has said can > create problems. > > Common side-effect of good satsang or productive sadhana: Insomnia > for THAT NIGHT ONLY (you're wide awake for a long time, having burnt > away the tamas in the yagya of concentration). > > IF it is Kundalini, one way to help it calm down (sleep) is to do > lots of physical exercise to redirect your praana to the others > (meditation uses alot of Samana for concentration and somewhat feeds > Udaana). People who do lots of computer programming sometimes get > diagnosed with "stomach paralysis" and digestive trouble, because > most of their day is spent in their head. > > Psychological problems that I've seen in people complaining of the > same effects: Not facing your problems with others, or those having > a people pleasing attitude. It causes your psyche to fragment and > stay a witness to your body. Swami P on one of the talks mentions > the difference between aspiration and ambition (fueled by passion), > so perhaps the 6 hours of meditation alone is causing all this. > > tom > > Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane@> wrote: > > > > We recently had a devotee attend a Satsang-an fellow devotee, who > > was confused and complaining that her "kundalini" was causing her > to > > be unbalanced. She explained that she is "out of her body" most of > > the time-so much so that she had to stop her spiritual practices. > > She further stated she has avoided attending Satsang or Amma > > activities because she is afraid (but then later said "not afraid") > > of being overstimulated and somewhat out of touch to reality if she > > continues to meditate. We were puzzled since we trust that > > everything Amma has told us to do with meditation and IAM. Those of > > us practicing IAM had no idea what she was talking about. > > > > She mentioned she meditates 6 hrs or more a day then cut back. She > > said she took a break to become more grounded. She did IAM but > > wasn't sure about continuing. It didn't sound like she followed > some > > of the rules on IAM. > > > > Being unclear of everything she meant, we suggested she talk to one > > of the Swamis while on tour or with Amma, Herself. > > > > Has anyone heard of someone have these problems-not being able to > be > > around Amma or Satsang because they have so much trouble > > being "grounded"? We truly knew little to say to this. Any thoughts? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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