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Hi Surya,

I am not sure most Westerners think once we have a spiritual life that

we it's a bed of roses or easy street (wouldn't that be nice?!!)

 

I think many of us Westerners may hold the belief that having faith,

having a spiritual life,- will help us with the many difficulties we

face and handle it all with equanimity. At least when I was raised

with my Catholic faith attending parochial schools, I learned of so

many saints who were tortured, killed, etc. and whose lives were

anything but easy.

 

I think spirituality simply helps to culture the mind, quiet the mind,

to allow who we really "are" to begin to manifest. Then these

other "things" no longer have their hold on us-no matter how difficult.

 

> Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that once we

awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses after that

point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian spirituality that

have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or so. These

really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of Indian

Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is generally

far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint, especially Amma,

and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured and

overcome.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

>

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Namah Shivaya Adriene,

It's interesting how different religious backgrounds are so different

in many ways, even though the basic message is the same. I was raised

as a liberal protestant, so we didn't have saints, and the suffering

or hardship aspects of spirituality were never discussed. The crucifix

did not exist - just an empty cross to focus on the living Christ, not

the crucifixion. The suffering of Christ was not emphasized. So I

just pictured myself skipping down the spiritual path with nary a

scratch, all would be done for me and life would be a breeze. Comfort

and roses!

Jai Ma!

Prasadini

 

 

Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane wrote:

>

> Hi Surya,

> I am not sure most Westerners think once we have a spiritual life that

> we it's a bed of roses or easy street (wouldn't that be nice?!!)

>

> I think many of us Westerners may hold the belief that having faith,

> having a spiritual life,- will help us with the many difficulties we

> face and handle it all with equanimity. At least when I was raised

> with my Catholic faith attending parochial schools, I learned of so

> many saints who were tortured, killed, etc. and whose lives were

> anything but easy.

>

> I think spirituality simply helps to culture the mind, quiet the mind,

> to allow who we really "are" to begin to manifest. Then these

> other "things" no longer have their hold on us-no matter how difficult.

>

> > Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that once we

> awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses after that

> point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian spirituality that

> have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or so. These

> really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of Indian

> Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is generally

> far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint, especially Amma,

> and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured and

> overcome.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

> >

>

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Namaste Prasadini & Adriane:

 

This IS interesting. I was also raised Catholic, where suffering is

created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation on pain

when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was what to

live for, even if others would put you to death over it (if you go

wtih the Gnostics, including the new Gospel of Judas, if anyone has

read about that yet - scholarly-verified finding, a gospel in which

Jesus asked Judas to turn him in, saying Judas exceeded the other

disciples in understanding his teachings, and that Judas was

releasing Jesus from the clothing of his body).

 

Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there with

the glorification of the pain part, so I'm not so sure your

Protestant upbringing wasn't on stronger spiritual ground, though

possibly without guidelines which we all wish came to us at birth!

By the same token, I have actually said to myself recently, when an

undertaking I began in my work was very well-received, "Oh, just

because someone said something so positive did not mean this was

going to be a bed of roses!" I had not anticipated the bumps in the

road along the way, but I think this is more a matter of learning

from life experience, and learning, as Adriane said, to handle all

with equanimity.

 

Ammachi, "rosebud1082001" <ganesh1008

wrote:

>

> Namah Shivaya Adriene,

> It's interesting how different religious backgrounds are so

different

> in many ways, even though the basic message is the same. I was

raised

> as a liberal protestant, so we didn't have saints, and the

suffering

> or hardship aspects of spirituality were never discussed. The

crucifix

> did not exist - just an empty cross to focus on the living Christ,

not

> the crucifixion. The suffering of Christ was not emphasized. So I

> just pictured myself skipping down the spiritual path with nary a

> scratch, all would be done for me and life would be a breeze.

Comfort

> and roses!

> Jai Ma!

> Prasadini

>

>

> Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Surya,

> > I am not sure most Westerners think once we have a spiritual

life that

> > we it's a bed of roses or easy street (wouldn't that be nice?!!)

> >

> > I think many of us Westerners may hold the belief that having

faith,

> > having a spiritual life,- will help us with the many

difficulties we

> > face and handle it all with equanimity. At least when I was

raised

> > with my Catholic faith attending parochial schools, I learned of

so

> > many saints who were tortured, killed, etc. and whose lives were

> > anything but easy.

> >

> > I think spirituality simply helps to culture the mind, quiet the

mind,

> > to allow who we really "are" to begin to manifest. Then these

> > other "things" no longer have their hold on us-no matter how

difficult.

> >

> > > Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that

once we

> > awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses after

that

> > point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian spirituality

that

> > have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or so.

These

> > really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of

Indian

> > Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is

generally

> > far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint, especially

Amma,

> > and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured

and

> > overcome.

> > >

> > > Jai Maa!

> > >

> > > Surya

> > >

> >

>

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Dear Mary Ann,

 

My husband is a fairly traditional Catholic, and I'm pretty sure he would not

agree that the

focus should be on pain, but on the supreme sacrifice Jesus made out of his love

for us

(not that his pain is irrelevant, but just that it's not the main point of the

crucifixion).

 

Iswari

 

 

Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61 wrote:

 

> created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation on pain

> when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

> greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was what to

> live for, even if others would put you to death over it ...

> Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there with

> the glorification of the pain part

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Hi Iswari,

 

But Jesus didn't make a profound sacrifice for us. He made a

profound point that Love and Compassion are above all, that kindness

is the first order of business, and that we should live according to

the truth of Love and Compassion as the highest principles, even if

faced with death. I don't know whether your husband would agree with

this or not, but it's my view after being raised Catholic and

searching for meaning in my own life.

 

Recently I read a book called The Powers That Be by Walter Wink, and

it has helped me to understand Jesus' teachings as I have

articulated above. Although I have known the focus of Catholicism in

my upbringing definitely created pain and counseled continuing

endurance of pain, Walter Wink's view on Jesus' teachings are a

wonderful heart-opening experience. I understand Amma's teachings

better after reading The Powers That Be. I doubt whether my

understanding will jibe with your husband's if he is still a

traditional Catholic.

 

 

Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari

wrote:

>

> Dear Mary Ann,

>

> My husband is a fairly traditional Catholic, and I'm pretty sure

he would not agree that the

> focus should be on pain, but on the supreme sacrifice Jesus made

out of his love for us

> (not that his pain is irrelevant, but just that it's not the main

point of the crucifixion).

>

> Iswari

>

>

> Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61@> wrote:

>

> > created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation on

pain

> > when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

> > greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was what

to

> > live for, even if others would put you to death over it ...

> > Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there

with

> > the glorification of the pain part

>

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I also want to say, however, that I know there are Catholics who

work in South America and other dangerous places who help the poor

and hide political prisoners and do risk their lives, as Jesus did,

for what they believe is right - not "right" so that they would take

up arms and kill, but right so that they would in fact risk their

lives to help people in need.

 

I'm sharing my experience of having grown up in an Ohio suburb where

I was told in CCD class (what Saturday Catholic class was called in

my neighborhood) that if I wanted to go to the dance on Saturday and

my father said no, God said no. It wasn't about developing love and

understanding and mutual respect, just asserting basic power-over

stuff no matter what. Lots of abuse, just like what has come forward

in the media about priests. Such abuse was allowed to take place in

families, too, people looked the other way, couples were counseled

to stay together, birth control is against the rules, etc. This is

what I mean by creating pain and counseling endurance, and using

guilt by saying Jesus sacrificed his life for us so hang in there,

baby!

 

Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61

wrote:

>

> Hi Iswari,

>

> But Jesus didn't make a profound sacrifice for us. He made a

> profound point that Love and Compassion are above all, that

kindness

> is the first order of business, and that we should live according

to

> the truth of Love and Compassion as the highest principles, even

if

> faced with death. I don't know whether your husband would agree

with

> this or not, but it's my view after being raised Catholic and

> searching for meaning in my own life.

>

> Recently I read a book called The Powers That Be by Walter Wink,

and

> it has helped me to understand Jesus' teachings as I have

> articulated above. Although I have known the focus of Catholicism

in

> my upbringing definitely created pain and counseled continuing

> endurance of pain, Walter Wink's view on Jesus' teachings are a

> wonderful heart-opening experience. I understand Amma's teachings

> better after reading The Powers That Be. I doubt whether my

> understanding will jibe with your husband's if he is still a

> traditional Catholic.

>

>

> Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mary Ann,

> >

> > My husband is a fairly traditional Catholic, and I'm pretty sure

> he would not agree that the

> > focus should be on pain, but on the supreme sacrifice Jesus made

> out of his love for us

> > (not that his pain is irrelevant, but just that it's not the

main

> point of the crucifixion).

> >

> > Iswari

> >

> >

> > Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61@>

wrote:

> >

> > > created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation

on

> pain

> > > when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

> > > greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was

what

> to

> > > live for, even if others would put you to death over it ...

> > > Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there

> with

> > > the glorification of the pain part

> >

>

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Probably he would partially, but not completely, agree. As for me...I don't feel

qualified to

say what Jesus was or wasn't doing (especially not being a Christian!). I'm not

sure that

there is some objectively knowable answer, but there is certainly subjective

meaning. =)

 

Blessings,

Iswari

 

Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61 wrote:

>

> Hi Iswari,

>

> But Jesus didn't make a profound sacrifice for us. He made a

> profound point that Love and Compassion are above all, that kindness

> is the first order of business, and that we should live according to

> the truth of Love and Compassion as the highest principles, even if

> faced with death. I don't know whether your husband would agree with

> this or not, but it's my view after being raised Catholic and

> searching for meaning in my own life.

>

> Recently I read a book called The Powers That Be by Walter Wink, and

> it has helped me to understand Jesus' teachings as I have

> articulated above. Although I have known the focus of Catholicism in

> my upbringing definitely created pain and counseled continuing

> endurance of pain, Walter Wink's view on Jesus' teachings are a

> wonderful heart-opening experience. I understand Amma's teachings

> better after reading The Powers That Be. I doubt whether my

> understanding will jibe with your husband's if he is still a

> traditional Catholic.

>

>

> Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Mary Ann,

> >

> > My husband is a fairly traditional Catholic, and I'm pretty sure

> he would not agree that the

> > focus should be on pain, but on the supreme sacrifice Jesus made

> out of his love for us

> > (not that his pain is irrelevant, but just that it's not the main

> point of the crucifixion).

> >

> > Iswari

> >

> >

> > Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61@> wrote:

> >

> > > created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation on

> pain

> > > when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

> > > greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was what

> to

> > > live for, even if others would put you to death over it ...

> > > Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there

> with

> > > the glorification of the pain part

> >

>

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My husband became a Catholic as an adult, so he was fortunate to have missed out

on

what you describe experiencing (power, guilt-tripping) while growing up in the

church.

 

In the same way, I have much more baggage with Judaism than does someone who

came

to it as an adult, as my Indian friend has way more baggage with Hinduism than I

do!

 

Blessings,

Iswari

 

Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61 wrote:

 

> I'm sharing my experience of having grown up in an Ohio suburb where

> I was told in CCD class (what Saturday Catholic class was called in

> my neighborhood) that if I wanted to go to the dance on Saturday and

> my father said no, God said no. It wasn't about developing love and

> understanding and mutual respect, just asserting basic power-over

> stuff no matter what. Lots of abuse, just like what has come forward

> in the media about priests. Such abuse was allowed to take place in

> families, too, people looked the other way, couples were counseled

> to stay together, birth control is against the rules, etc. This is

> what I mean by creating pain and counseling endurance, and using

> guilt by saying Jesus sacrificed his life for us so hang in there,

> baby!

>

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Hello buttercookie (love that email address since I cook)

I did not feel that Catholicism taught pain to be a preferred way of

life or condoned. I went to parochial schools for 10 yrs and

considered becoming a nun when quite young. My brother went to the

seminary for a couple of years. The lessons that I remember the most

were those of Christ's life-love your brother as yourself. The

greatest of these is "LOVE" ...Also helping the poor and giving

until it hurts (getting rid of material things-we always gave up

money for the poor in mission drives) were some of the greatest

lessons that brought me to where I am today. It's true that Christ

suffered. And in the early years, monks and such wore mohair,

scratchy shirts for penance for their sins. Fasting was also

advocated. So I cannot agree that suffering was necessarily

encouraged though there is some of that present. I guess that is not

the part that I found stressed to me as a child. More to the point,

we were taught to think more about others than ourselves. As far as

suffering, we were also taught that suffering can be a part of life

(isn't that true?!) but that God is always with us. These are the

things I recall most, -if this sheds any light on it..

 

 

Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61

wrote:

>

> Namaste Prasadini & Adriane:

>

> This IS interesting. I was also raised Catholic, where suffering

is

> created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation on

pain

> when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

> greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was what

to

> live for, even if others would put you to death over it (if you go

> wtih the Gnostics, including the new Gospel of Judas, if anyone

has

> read about that yet - scholarly-verified finding, a gospel in

which

> Jesus asked Judas to turn him in, saying Judas exceeded the other

> disciples in understanding his teachings, and that Judas was

> releasing Jesus from the clothing of his body).

>

> Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there with

> the glorification of the pain part, so I'm not so sure your

> Protestant upbringing wasn't on stronger spiritual ground, though

> possibly without guidelines which we all wish came to us at birth!

> By the same token, I have actually said to myself recently, when

an

> undertaking I began in my work was very well-received, "Oh, just

> because someone said something so positive did not mean this was

> going to be a bed of roses!" I had not anticipated the bumps in

the

> road along the way, but I think this is more a matter of learning

> from life experience, and learning, as Adriane said, to handle all

> with equanimity.

>

> Ammachi, "rosebud1082001" <ganesh1008@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namah Shivaya Adriene,

> > It's interesting how different religious backgrounds are so

> different

> > in many ways, even though the basic message is the same. I was

> raised

> > as a liberal protestant, so we didn't have saints, and the

> suffering

> > or hardship aspects of spirituality were never discussed. The

> crucifix

> > did not exist - just an empty cross to focus on the living

Christ,

> not

> > the crucifixion. The suffering of Christ was not emphasized. So

I

> > just pictured myself skipping down the spiritual path with nary a

> > scratch, all would be done for me and life would be a breeze.

> Comfort

> > and roses!

> > Jai Ma!

> > Prasadini

> >

> >

> > Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Surya,

> > > I am not sure most Westerners think once we have a spiritual

> life that

> > > we it's a bed of roses or easy street (wouldn't that be

nice?!!)

> > >

> > > I think many of us Westerners may hold the belief that having

> faith,

> > > having a spiritual life,- will help us with the many

> difficulties we

> > > face and handle it all with equanimity. At least when I was

> raised

> > > with my Catholic faith attending parochial schools, I learned

of

> so

> > > many saints who were tortured, killed, etc. and whose lives

were

> > > anything but easy.

> > >

> > > I think spirituality simply helps to culture the mind, quiet

the

> mind,

> > > to allow who we really "are" to begin to manifest. Then these

> > > other "things" no longer have their hold on us-no matter how

> difficult.

> > >

> > > > Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that

> once we

> > > awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses after

> that

> > > point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian

spirituality

> that

> > > have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or

so.

> These

> > > really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of

> Indian

> > > Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is

> generally

> > > far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint,

especially

> Amma,

> > > and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured

> and

> > > overcome.

> > > >

> > > > Jai Maa!

> > > >

> > > > Surya

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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I didn't go to parochial schools, and am speaking from what I learned

in my parents' home, as well as at CCD class and church. I did not

hear the message of love growing up. It took me a long, long time to

hear it, and a lot of intention and endeavor. I'm glad to know that

there were other kinds of experiences of Catholicism than mine.

 

Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane wrote:

>

> Hello buttercookie (love that email address since I cook)

> I did not feel that Catholicism taught pain to be a preferred way

of

> life or condoned. I went to parochial schools for 10 yrs and

> considered becoming a nun when quite young. My brother went to the

> seminary for a couple of years. The lessons that I remember the

most

> were those of Christ's life-love your brother as yourself. The

> greatest of these is "LOVE" ...Also helping the poor and giving

> until it hurts (getting rid of material things-we always gave up

> money for the poor in mission drives) were some of the greatest

> lessons that brought me to where I am today. It's true that Christ

> suffered. And in the early years, monks and such wore mohair,

> scratchy shirts for penance for their sins. Fasting was also

> advocated. So I cannot agree that suffering was necessarily

> encouraged though there is some of that present. I guess that is

not

> the part that I found stressed to me as a child. More to the point,

> we were taught to think more about others than ourselves. As far as

> suffering, we were also taught that suffering can be a part of life

> (isn't that true?!) but that God is always with us. These are the

> things I recall most, -if this sheds any light on it..

>

>

> Ammachi, "Mary Ann" <buttercookie61@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Prasadini & Adriane:

> >

> > This IS interesting. I was also raised Catholic, where suffering

> is

> > created and condoned as THE way of life, a mistaken fixation on

> pain

> > when the crucifixion was to show humankind that the spirit is

> > greater than the body, that a higher principle or power was what

> to

> > live for, even if others would put you to death over it (if you

go

> > wtih the Gnostics, including the new Gospel of Judas, if anyone

> has

> > read about that yet - scholarly-verified finding, a gospel in

> which

> > Jesus asked Judas to turn him in, saying Judas exceeded the other

> > disciples in understanding his teachings, and that Judas was

> > releasing Jesus from the clothing of his body).

> >

> > Many people, East and West, latched onto the wrong idea there

with

> > the glorification of the pain part, so I'm not so sure your

> > Protestant upbringing wasn't on stronger spiritual ground, though

> > possibly without guidelines which we all wish came to us at

birth!

> > By the same token, I have actually said to myself recently, when

> an

> > undertaking I began in my work was very well-received, "Oh, just

> > because someone said something so positive did not mean this was

> > going to be a bed of roses!" I had not anticipated the bumps in

> the

> > road along the way, but I think this is more a matter of learning

> > from life experience, and learning, as Adriane said, to handle

all

> > with equanimity.

> >

> > Ammachi, "rosebud1082001" <ganesh1008@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Namah Shivaya Adriene,

> > > It's interesting how different religious backgrounds are so

> > different

> > > in many ways, even though the basic message is the same. I was

> > raised

> > > as a liberal protestant, so we didn't have saints, and the

> > suffering

> > > or hardship aspects of spirituality were never discussed. The

> > crucifix

> > > did not exist - just an empty cross to focus on the living

> Christ,

> > not

> > > the crucifixion. The suffering of Christ was not emphasized.

So

> I

> > > just pictured myself skipping down the spiritual path with nary

a

> > > scratch, all would be done for me and life would be a breeze.

> > Comfort

> > > and roses!

> > > Jai Ma!

> > > Prasadini

> > >

> > >

> > > Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Surya,

> > > > I am not sure most Westerners think once we have a spiritual

> > life that

> > > > we it's a bed of roses or easy street (wouldn't that be

> nice?!!)

> > > >

> > > > I think many of us Westerners may hold the belief that

having

> > faith,

> > > > having a spiritual life,- will help us with the many

> > difficulties we

> > > > face and handle it all with equanimity. At least when I was

> > raised

> > > > with my Catholic faith attending parochial schools, I learned

> of

> > so

> > > > many saints who were tortured, killed, etc. and whose lives

> were

> > > > anything but easy.

> > > >

> > > > I think spirituality simply helps to culture the mind, quiet

> the

> > mind,

> > > > to allow who we really "are" to begin to manifest. Then these

> > > > other "things" no longer have their hold on us-no matter how

> > difficult.

> > > >

> > > > > Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that

> > once we

> > > > awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses

after

> > that

> > > > point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian

> spirituality

> > that

> > > > have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or

> so.

> > These

> > > > really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of

> > Indian

> > > > Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is

> > generally

> > > > far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint,

> especially

> > Amma,

> > > > and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured

> > and

> > > > overcome.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jai Maa!

> > > > >

> > > > > Surya

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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Really enjoyed Adriane thoughts on growing up Catholic. I grew up Episcopalian

because my Catholic father married my Protestant mother, and that seemed a good

middle ground for them. (So I grew up loving Catholics, Protestants, you name

it.)What I was really wondering is why people think the Catholic faith is all

about suffering? So I thought what Adriane said hit the nail on the head (no

Catholic pun intended). The word suffering has such an adverse connotation.

Maybe if some of the practices, such as fasting, penance, etc., of the Catholic

church were simply viewed as tapasya (which seems to have a positive

connotation), a better perspective would be had. ---4all

 

Adriane wrote: Fasting was also advocated. So I cannot agree that suffering was

necessarily encouraged though there is some of that present.

 

 

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Mary Ann wrote:

I'm glad to know that there were other kinds of experiences of Catholicism

than mine. I was happy to read this, and I want to add that my experiences,

like Adrianne's, were awesome. I grew up with the feeling that the Catholic

church was absolutely beautiful, and although I don't lean fully toward

organized religions, if I had to choose one, that would be it. However, and I

find this odd, it has been my connection with Hinduism that has really helped me

appreciate the spirituality of the Catholic faith. Prior to that, I simply

found the ceremonies and rituals of the church very soothing in an uspeakable

way. ---4all

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi,

 

I have come to appreciate the beauty of the Catholic church for it's

architecture and sculpture, and its impact on artists and their

work, and the priest and nuns who risk their lives helping people,

which I think is under the Vatican radar, from what I've read. And

there are Catholic orgs working to improve treatment of prisoners,

etc. and I do greatly appreciate that. Also, I like the saints, who

remind me of Hinduism. Maybe why Hinduism speaks to you more is

based on what I have read in Amma's words - that Christianity has

done far more to suppress the divine feminine, whereas Hinduism,

although there is still the partriarchal sway, has goddesses, and

the Ardanari (Half Shiva, Half Shakti), with a message of each human

being as both male and female.

 

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> I'm glad to know that there were other kinds of experiences of

Catholicism than mine. I was happy to read this, and I want to add

that my experiences, like Adrianne's, were awesome. I grew up with

the feeling that the Catholic church was absolutely beautiful, and

although I don't lean fully toward organized religions, if I had to

choose one, that would be it. However, and I find this odd, it has

been my connection with Hinduism that has really helped me

appreciate the spirituality of the Catholic faith. Prior to that, I

simply found the ceremonies and rituals of the church very soothing

in an uspeakable way. ---4all

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Namah Shivaya

 

Although I was a liberal protestant, (Congregational) when I was a kid

many of my friends were Catholic, and I thought being Catholic was

pretty neat. I used to feel the same way about the rituals. For a while

I lived near a Catholic Cathedral and used to love to just go and sit

there - it was so peaceful. I almost married a Catholic and went to

inquiry classes. I discovered that I didn't resonate with Catholicism or

the guy :-)

The neat thing about the church was that it wasn't heavy with dogma,

much was left up to the individual. We had the concept of seva. A

couple of days a year we would do work for people (gardening, etc) and

the money earned would go to various charitable causes.

Many years ago I went to a Congregational church in San Francisco, and

learned of the community work they were doing. Church members would walk

the streets of the Tenderloin in San Francisco at night and help the

homeless. Even at that time there were blocks of the Tenderloin I

wouldn't walk down in daylight - so I was impressed. Good people are

everywhere!

Jai Ma!

Prasadini

 

 

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But you could see why, since there is such a divine scent of roses and other

registers of subtle perfume surrounding Mother, why one might expect things

to... not get so thorny.

 

I'm going to be late for the concert. Sorry you can't join us, Tom. But

actually I don't think Dayamrita is giving a satsang. It's all about the

music. - prashanti

 

 

 

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Namah Shivaya Mary Ann.

I just heard about the Gospel of Judas today and wondered if any others on

this list knew about it.

premarupa

 

 

 

 

 

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