Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 After reading this, I don't see how anyone can have the opinion or simply "guess" that the other earlier swami's "did it all in a past life". On the Road to Freedom: A Pilgrimage in India By Neal Rosner (Swami P) Pages 183-4 One day I was having a severe migraine headache. I was already weak, and the severity of the pain completely incapacitated me. I could not even walk without holding a wall for support. I had taken a powerful drug to lessen the pain, but this had the effect of increasing the weakness and causing thirst. In that state, I asked one of the residents for a glass of water to drink. He looked at me as if I had asked for a seven-course meal and walked away. I waited for half an hour, but no water was forthcoming. I then crawled and somehow got it myself. Unfortunately, my hand was shaking and I spilled some of the water on the floor. At that time, another of the residents came into the hut. I asked him for a cloth to wipe up the water. He went out and came back with a dirty cloth and threw it in my face with a look of irritation. I felt a bit pained at heart and went to lay down behind the temple. Ammachi came over to me and asked what was the matter. I told her what had happened. She said, "You must look upon them as children. What ever a child may do, one should not feel angry or hurt, knowing they are ignorant." She then kept quiet and silently sat with me for some time. On another occasion, I purchased some pancakes for Mother, thinking that she might eat them in the morning after the darshan was over. The shop was only open at night, I got them and put them in a container. I felt very sleepy, however, so I asked one of the people who would be awake at that hour to give them to Mother when she came. "Mother will not eat what you have brought. Don't you know that she doesn't like pancakes? If you want, you can give them to her yourself." I had seen her eat pancakes a number of times, and knew what was said was untrue. I muttered the Name of God to myself and kept quiet. It soon became second nature not to mind the way I was treated by others. In fact, I even started to take a kind of delight in being abused. I would note clearly whether or not my mind was affected by the words and try to remain as a witness within, unchanging and calm. Ratnamji had once told me, "As a devotee, others may praise you and put you on a pedastal. You may think that you are unaffected by their praise and even say that it is God in their form who is praising. But you will know if you are really unaffected by praises only when you receive the opposite, blame. If one cares not for pain, pleasure also cannot hold one bound. One should always test onself and be sure that one is not fooling oneself thinking that pleasant things do not affect one. Only if you are indifferent to the painful side of life and take it as God's or Guru's Sweet will, will you not be sidetracked by the pleasant side of things." Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <ammademon wrote: > > Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull@> wrote: > > "According to his autobio", Nealu was mistreated by > > some of the early ashramites. > > > > tom > > Hi Tom, > > Where in the volumes do you see it written that this happened? > > It's been sometime since I re-read them and can't recollect having any > impression of Nealu Swami being mistreated. do you have page #'s or > incidents from the book handy? Thanks. > > Jai Ma! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 It is these sorts of experiences, the rough and tumble of interpersonal egos, that seem to define that "razor's edge" quality to the path of the spiritual seeker. But to be honest, I recall reading those passages previously and intepreting them then as evidence of the cultural frontiers separating a "Western" seeker in an "Indian" or "Keralan" or whatever the corresponding term is. On a related note, I keep wondering if the perception of reverie you are ascribing to certain devotees who treat Dayamrita with a degree of respect you do not share as also a derivation of that ethnological distance (e.g. :"cultural frontier."). And I am also remembering a blessed experience Ammachi bestowed upon me towards the end of Her 1998 San Ramon programs. Swami Ramakrishnananda was playing bhagans, singing "Hari Bol" actually, and suddenly his physical body disappeared. In its place stood the glowing form of Lord Rama. And then almost just as quickly, the vision shifted, and grew to the ceiling, and there stood the magnificent splendor of Lord Krishna. It was mindblowing. It was shocking. I can barely remember it, as He was so aglow and my nervous system is so impure. But it was certainly an inspirational hallucination, one of a series of cosmic events around Mother that defy easy definition or narration. But strangely, more than spiritual heights, the vision worked on the mundane level. I spent a good portion of the next several years looking intently into Swamijii's face, sometimes peeking, sometimes staring, sometimes embarrassed, always wondering wondering wondering: When will I see Krishna again? When? When?? It became an obsession, one that did not ease until I went to speak to Mother directly about it. (She laughed, ran a finger along the bone of my cheek, and said not to be attached, the Darshans were meant to be inspirational, not held onto like a fixation. And She told me to "become like a flute and Krishna will come running." Dayamrita actually was translating for me, and I couldn't understand the word "flute." I thought he was saying "fool," and had to ask him to repeat himself several times before comprehension. Not that I have any idea how to 'become like a flute,' although acting the fool is all to easy, perhaps why I was so incredulous about what at first I heard him saying.) That anecdote is sort of an indirect suggestion, for who know in what ways Mother/God may have used/worked through Dayamrita as an instrument for inspiration - and whether the revered status he is accorded by some could be an extension of that role. By the way, the New York satsang is holding a special concert on Friday night, in Flushing, and word went out recently that Dayamrita's schedule now permits him to attend. Why don't you take the train up from D.C., Tom, and join us? It's so easy to hurl pejoratives in the sterile distance of this cyber sphere. But perhaps all your manifestations of will and intent and what strike me as hurt feelings and insecurity and sibiling rivalry and siddhic competition could take on a gentler flavor in the sacred presence of Maha Ganapati and with the musical invocations to Mata Saraswati. I'm sure if someone has slighted you in some way that speaking directly to him rather than, well, I'll call it like I see it... gossiping... could be much more productive. And did I just hear right that Mother must be sending y'all in D.C. some special blessings, especially after last year's ups and downs, by spending Guru Purnima there?? Warmly, Prashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 But the point of Sw. Paramatmanandaji (Nealu) sharing this was to show that these things are the perfect opportunity for real spiritual growth and actually give a great indication where one is truly at spiritually. If we come to God/Guru with the desire to grow spiritually, of course things will happen to us that we might term negative at first or abusive. Even if this is actually true, it is a great blessing from Guru/Goddess Herself. Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that once we awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses after that point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian spirituality that have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or so. These really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of Indian Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is generally far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint, especially Amma, and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured and overcome. Jai Maa! Surya - Tom Ammachi Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM Nealu Mistreatment Quoted After reading this, I don't see how anyone can have the opinion or simply "guess" that the other earlier swami's "did it all in a past life". On the Road to Freedom: A Pilgrimage in India By Neal Rosner (Swami P) Pages 183-4 One day I was having a severe migraine headache. I was already weak, and the severity of the pain completely incapacitated me. I could not even walk without holding a wall for support. I had taken a powerful drug to lessen the pain, but this had the effect of increasing the weakness and causing thirst. In that state, I asked one of the residents for a glass of water to drink. He looked at me as if I had asked for a seven-course meal and walked away. I waited for half an hour, but no water was forthcoming. I then crawled and somehow got it myself. Unfortunately, my hand was shaking and I spilled some of the water on the floor. At that time, another of the residents came into the hut. I asked him for a cloth to wipe up the water. He went out and came back with a dirty cloth and threw it in my face with a look of irritation. I felt a bit pained at heart and went to lay down behind the temple. Ammachi came over to me and asked what was the matter. I told her what had happened. She said, "You must look upon them as children. What ever a child may do, one should not feel angry or hurt, knowing they are ignorant." She then kept quiet and silently sat with me for some time. On another occasion, I purchased some pancakes for Mother, thinking that she might eat them in the morning after the darshan was over. The shop was only open at night, I got them and put them in a container. I felt very sleepy, however, so I asked one of the people who would be awake at that hour to give them to Mother when she came. "Mother will not eat what you have brought. Don't you know that she doesn't like pancakes? If you want, you can give them to her yourself." I had seen her eat pancakes a number of times, and knew what was said was untrue. I muttered the Name of God to myself and kept quiet. It soon became second nature not to mind the way I was treated by others. In fact, I even started to take a kind of delight in being abused. I would note clearly whether or not my mind was affected by the words and try to remain as a witness within, unchanging and calm. Ratnamji had once told me, "As a devotee, others may praise you and put you on a pedastal. You may think that you are unaffected by their praise and even say that it is God in their form who is praising. But you will know if you are really unaffected by praises only when you receive the opposite, blame. If one cares not for pain, pleasure also cannot hold one bound. One should always test onself and be sure that one is not fooling oneself thinking that pleasant things do not affect one. Only if you are indifferent to the painful side of life and take it as God's or Guru's Sweet will, will you not be sidetracked by the pleasant side of things." Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <ammademon wrote: > > Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull@> wrote: > > "According to his autobio", Nealu was mistreated by > > some of the early ashramites. > > > > tom > > Hi Tom, > > Where in the volumes do you see it written that this happened? > > It's been sometime since I re-read them and can't recollect having any > impression of Nealu Swami being mistreated. do you have page #'s or > incidents from the book handy? Thanks. > > Jai Ma! > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 namaste tom, thanks for providing these quotes. I read "On the Road to Freedom" by Neal Rosner sometime ago at least twice, but did not remember this and ( quite honestly ) must admit that I thought you were inaccurate. I wanted to check out the context a little but I gave my book away just as you gave your "awaken children" away for other devotees to read. Well OK. What is my response now? It seems, we remember what we want to remember or perhaps what we find useful for our sadhana and daily life interactions with others. So, in my case, I remember, among other things from "On the Road to Freedom", the following: Neal was about 12 years or so older than the first Indian brahmacharis coming to Amma. Neal came to India at age 19 and studied with Ratnamji for about 12 years. When Neal started out, he too was somewhat undisciplined. But 12 years of preparation gave him respect for disciple, etc. When Ratnamji left his body, Neal got very sick and debilitated. His vedic astrology was that he would either die soon or that he would end up serving his mother( he thought his earthly mother in the USA ). Then he met Amma. She healed him somewhat. But told him it would be for his highest good to bear some of the pain with a chance of enlightenment in this life; if She healed him more completely, he would have to come back and bear even more pain in next life time. So, karma is karma and it is better, in my view, to be mistreated by my brother disciples than by some wayward strangers. Amma never promised us a rose garden. Just enlightenement, if we work hard at our sadhana and especially unselfishness. The speed depends on our strength and willingness to surrender and bear our karma cheerfully. That is why, perhaps the best prayer for ourselves is to ask God for STRENGHT, willingness to surrender and to bear our karma cheerfully. Depending on our KARMA, it may not be so easy. I know myself ~ thinking ~ well maybe if I do a little more seva, etc ~ some of my karma will be alleviated ~ well we never know ~ do we? So, whatever seva I do, I try my best to do it selflessly and when it becomes a chore or an obligation( to others or my concepts ), I rething, refeel, check in with the silence of my heart as best I can. AND SOMETIMES I JUST WALK AWAY FROM IT AND REST. At amritapuri ashram, some praised my seva( sweeping sand ), others made it impossible( told me it was all wrong; wrong time; etc ). I just walked away. Doing nothing, I noticed there was a lot( according to western standards ) of trash laying around here and there. I just decided that would be my seva for the time being and started picking things up. A few days later, I noticed some young brahmacharies picking stuff up also. Amma uses us in many ways. For me, best way to follow is from the heart; that is were Amma gives us our marching orders; but only if we want. I'm not saying it's easy for me; I have so much in my head( physics, math, logic, concepts, spiritual info stuff, etc, etc ). But, I try and it seems to work out the best when I do. Staying away from the heart, thinking you need to get enlightenment first, is a poor choice, in my view. Well anyway, let me end this lengthy reply( sorry ) with the following interesting note from the same book "On the Road to Freedom" by Neal( now Swami Paramatananda ). Since Neal was older and had more discipline and organizational skills, he thought it would help if he imparted some of this to his younger brothers at the ahsram. Well, Amma's comment to Neal was "Leave my children alone." I saw Swami Paramatananda( Neal ) at amritapuru ashram after Amma's 50th birthday. He was simply glowing and this was a rare occasion to see him. I missed my chance to prostrate at his feet no doubt due to my timidity. Hopefully I received his blessings anyway since he must have felt what was in my heart ~ gratitude for a life well lived ~ a beautiful example for all of us. Amma's Blessings, amarnath Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote: > ...... > It soon became second nature not to mind the way I was treated by > others. In fact, I even started to take a kind of delight in being > abused. I would note clearly whether or not my mind was affected by > the words and try to remain as a witness within, unchanging and calm. > Ratnamji had once told me, "As a devotee, others may praise you and put > you on a pedastal. You may think that you are unaffected by their > praise and even say that it is God in their form who is praising. But > you will know if you are really unaffected by praises only when you > receive the opposite, blame. If one cares not for pain, pleasure also > cannot hold one bound. One should always test onself and be sure that > one is not fooling oneself thinking that pleasant things do not affect > one. Only if you are indifferent to the painful side of life and take > it as God's or Guru's Sweet will, will you not be sidetracked by the > pleasant side of things." > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 excellent ! very well stated ! and gently ! thank you ! amma's blessings,amarnath Ammachi, "Rachel Barrett Gallop" <hipstorian wrote: > > It is these sorts of experiences, the rough and tumble of interpersonal > egos, that seem to define that "razor's edge" quality to the path of the > spiritual seeker. > > But to be honest, I recall reading those passages previously and intepreting > them then as evidence of the cultural frontiers separating a "Western" > seeker in an "Indian" or "Keralan" or whatever the corresponding term is. > > On a related note, I keep wondering if the perception of reverie you are > ascribing to certain devotees who treat Dayamrita with a degree of respect > you do not share as also a derivation of that ethnological distance (e.g. > :"cultural frontier."). > > And I am also remembering a blessed experience Ammachi bestowed upon me > towards the end of Her 1998 San Ramon programs. Swami Ramakrishnananda was > playing bhagans, singing "Hari Bol" actually, and suddenly his physical body > disappeared. In its place stood the glowing form of Lord Rama. And then > almost just as quickly, the vision shifted, and grew to the ceiling, and > there stood the magnificent splendor of Lord Krishna. It was mindblowing. > It was shocking. I can barely remember it, as He was so aglow and my > nervous system is so impure. But it was certainly an inspirational > hallucination, one of a series of cosmic events around Mother that defy easy > definition or narration. > > But strangely, more than spiritual heights, the vision worked on the mundane > level. I spent a good portion of the next several years looking intently > into Swamijii's face, sometimes peeking, sometimes staring, sometimes > embarrassed, always wondering wondering wondering: When will I see Krishna > again? When? When?? It became an obsession, one that did not ease until I > went to speak to Mother directly about it. > > (She laughed, ran a finger along the bone of my cheek, and said not to be > attached, the Darshans were meant to be inspirational, not held onto like a > fixation. And She told me to "become like a flute and Krishna will come > running." Dayamrita actually was translating for me, and I couldn't > understand the word "flute." I thought he was saying "fool," and had to ask > him to repeat himself several times before comprehension. Not that I have > any idea how to 'become like a flute,' although acting the fool is all to > easy, perhaps why I was so incredulous about what at first I heard him > saying.) > > That anecdote is sort of an indirect suggestion, for who know in what ways > Mother/God may have used/worked through Dayamrita as an instrument for > inspiration - and whether the revered status he is accorded by some could be > an extension of that role. > > By the way, the New York satsang is holding a special concert on Friday > night, in Flushing, and word went out recently that Dayamrita's schedule now > permits him to attend. Why don't you take the train up from D.C., Tom, and > join us? > > It's so easy to hurl pejoratives in the sterile distance of this cyber > sphere. But perhaps all your manifestations of will and intent and what > strike me as hurt feelings and insecurity and sibiling rivalry and siddhic > competition could take on a gentler flavor in the sacred presence of Maha > Ganapati and with the musical invocations to Mata Saraswati. I'm sure if > someone has slighted you in some way that speaking directly to him rather > than, well, I'll call it like I see it... gossiping... could be much more > productive. > > And did I just hear right that Mother must be sending y'all in D.C. some > special blessings, especially after last year's ups and downs, by spending > Guru Purnima there?? > > Warmly, > Prashanti > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Ammachi, "Rachel Barrett Gallop" <hipstorian wrote: > > But strangely, more than spiritual heights, the vision worked on > the mundane level. I spent a good portion of the next several > years looking intently into Swamijii's face, sometimes peeking, > sometimes staring, sometimes embarrassed, always wondering > wondering wondering: When will I see Krishna again? When? > Warmly, > Prashanti Terrific. Thanks for sharing your vision. Just one note: I do not believe that the vision worked on the mundane level. It probably worked much deeper than you ascribed to it. Amma's response was also terrific. If I may paraphrase, She was basically saying "LET GO" to being greedy for darshans too and "just BE"! Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Prashanti-Ma! Thank you for the Saraswati Bhava darshan! Quite eloquent. BTW, in regards to Ramakrishna Swami, I too have had some rather profound experiences during his bhajans and satsangs. He has (I percieve) a gentle humilty and presence that draws one who is paying attention into the depths of his devotion and surrender. He is quite unique among the orange ones. Actually, they all seem to have their charms, don't they? I especially like Purnamritananda (Jedi Swami). I hope he comes back to the US tour. love Prajna Rachel Barrett Gallop <hipstorian wrote: It is these sorts of experiences, the rough and tumble of interpersonal egos, that seem to define that "razor's edge" quality to the path of the spiritual seeker. But to be honest, I recall reading those passages previously and intepreting them then as evidence of the cultural frontiers separating a "Western" seeker in an "Indian" or "Keralan" or whatever the corresponding term is. On a related note, I keep wondering if the perception of reverie you are ascribing to certain devotees who treat Dayamrita with a degree of respect you do not share as also a derivation of that ethnological distance (e.g. :"cultural frontier."). And I am also remembering a blessed experience Ammachi bestowed upon me towards the end of Her 1998 San Ramon programs. Swami Ramakrishnananda was playing bhagans, singing "Hari Bol" actually, and suddenly his physical body disappeared. In its place stood the glowing form of Lord Rama. And then almost just as quickly, the vision shifted, and grew to the ceiling, and there stood the magnificent splendor of Lord Krishna. It was mindblowing. It was shocking. I can barely remember it, as He was so aglow and my nervous system is so impure. But it was certainly an inspirational hallucination, one of a series of cosmic events around Mother that defy easy definition or narration. But strangely, more than spiritual heights, the vision worked on the mundane level. I spent a good portion of the next several years looking intently into Swamijii's face, sometimes peeking, sometimes staring, sometimes embarrassed, always wondering wondering wondering: When will I see Krishna again? When? When?? It became an obsession, one that did not ease until I went to speak to Mother directly about it. (She laughed, ran a finger along the bone of my cheek, and said not to be attached, the Darshans were meant to be inspirational, not held onto like a fixation. And She told me to "become like a flute and Krishna will come running." Dayamrita actually was translating for me, and I couldn't understand the word "flute." I thought he was saying "fool," and had to ask him to repeat himself several times before comprehension. Not that I have any idea how to 'become like a flute,' although acting the fool is all to easy, perhaps why I was so incredulous about what at first I heard him saying.) That anecdote is sort of an indirect suggestion, for who know in what ways Mother/God may have used/worked through Dayamrita as an instrument for inspiration - and whether the revered status he is accorded by some could be an extension of that role. By the way, the New York satsang is holding a special concert on Friday night, in Flushing, and word went out recently that Dayamrita's schedule now permits him to attend. Why don't you take the train up from D.C., Tom, and join us? It's so easy to hurl pejoratives in the sterile distance of this cyber sphere. But perhaps all your manifestations of will and intent and what strike me as hurt feelings and insecurity and sibiling rivalry and siddhic competition could take on a gentler flavor in the sacred presence of Maha Ganapati and with the musical invocations to Mata Saraswati. I'm sure if someone has slighted you in some way that speaking directly to him rather than, well, I'll call it like I see it... gossiping... could be much more productive. And did I just hear right that Mother must be sending y'all in D.C. some special blessings, especially after last year's ups and downs, by spending Guru Purnima there?? Warmly, Prashanti Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC and save big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Namah Shivaya Surya, This is very true. In the spiritual organization with which I was first associated there would be talks about how people's lives were finally working once they met the Guru and were on the spiritual path. People got great jobs, had great relationships, and life was good. Later we learned about the tests, the stones in the path, the pitfalls - the proverbial razor's edge.It's not just about fame and blame, it's about the difficulties of spiritual life. Experiencing it all with equal vision. Mother says She puts us up against the wall (not Her words) until we see the futility, and surrender. I wanted to learn to meditate so I could relax. I was not prepared to be in the teeth of the crocodile. Not that I would change it, but it is not all comfort and roses - indeed! It's more like endless final exams! Long ago I realized that I'd best emulate Mother as much as possible, or it would be an even bumpier ride. Not that I'm doing a great job, but it's what I recommend. It is a long way from where this child is to Mother's state. Yikes! Jai Ma! Prasadini Mahamuni wrote: > But the point of Sw. Paramatmanandaji (Nealu) sharing this was to show > that these things are the perfect opportunity for real spiritual > growth and actually give a great indication where one is truly at > spiritually. If we come to God/Guru with the desire to grow > spiritually, of course things will happen to us that we might term > negative at first or abusive. Even if this is actually true, it is a > great blessing from Guru/Goddess Herself. > > Most of us Westerners have this wrongful preconception that once we > awake to the Spiritual Path, it is all comfort and roses after that > point. We mostly get this from the books on Indian spirituality that > have been published in the country for the last 100 yrs or so. These > really only typically depict one small side/part/flavor of Indian > Spiritual Traditions and what happens in Them. The Truth is generally > far from this. Just look at the lives of any Saint, especially Amma, > and we can see how much hardship surfaces and must be endured and > overcome. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > - > Tom > Ammachi > Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:36 AM > Nealu Mistreatment Quoted > > > After reading this, I don't see how anyone can have the opinion or > simply "guess" that the other earlier swami's "did it all in a past > life". > > On the Road to Freedom: A Pilgrimage in India > By Neal Rosner (Swami P) > Pages 183-4 > > One day I was having a severe migraine headache. I was already weak, > and the severity of the pain completely incapacitated me. I could not > even walk without holding a wall for support. I had taken a powerful > drug to lessen the pain, but this had the effect of increasing the > weakness and causing thirst. In that state, I asked one of the > residents for a glass of water to drink. He looked at me as if I had > asked for a seven-course meal and walked away. I waited for half an > hour, but no water was forthcoming. I then crawled and somehow got it > myself. Unfortunately, my hand was shaking and I spilled some of the > water on the floor. At that time, another of the residents came into > the hut. I asked him for a cloth to wipe up the water. He went out > and came back with a dirty cloth and threw it in my face with a look of > irritation. I felt a bit pained at heart and went to lay down behind > the temple. Ammachi came over to me and asked what was the matter. I > told her what had happened. She said, "You must look upon them as > children. What ever a child may do, one should not feel angry or > hurt, knowing they are ignorant." She then kept quiet and silently sat > with me for some time. > > On another occasion, I purchased some pancakes for Mother, thinking > that she might eat them in the morning after the darshan was over. The > shop was only open at night, I got them and put them in a container. I > felt very sleepy, however, so I asked one of the people who would be > awake at that hour to give them to Mother when she came. > > "Mother will not eat what you have brought. Don't you know that she > doesn't like pancakes? If you want, you can give them to her > yourself." I had seen her eat pancakes a number of times, and knew > what was said was untrue. I muttered the Name of God to myself and > kept quiet. > > It soon became second nature not to mind the way I was treated by > others. In fact, I even started to take a kind of delight in being > abused. I would note clearly whether or not my mind was affected by > the words and try to remain as a witness within, unchanging and calm. > Ratnamji had once told me, "As a devotee, others may praise you and put > you on a pedastal. You may think that you are unaffected by their > praise and even say that it is God in their form who is praising. But > you will know if you are really unaffected by praises only when you > receive the opposite, blame. If one cares not for pain, pleasure also > cannot hold one bound. One should always test onself and be sure that > one is not fooling oneself thinking that pleasant things do not affect > one. Only if you are indifferent to the painful side of life and take > it as God's or Guru's Sweet will, will you not be sidetracked by the > pleasant side of things." > > > Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <ammademon wrote: > > > > Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull@> wrote: > > > "According to his autobio", Nealu was mistreated by > > > some of the early ashramites. > > > > > > tom > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Where in the volumes do you see it written that this happened? > > > > It's been sometime since I re-read them and can't recollect having any > > impression of Nealu Swami being mistreated. do you have page #'s or > > incidents from the book handy? Thanks. > > > > Jai Ma! > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > * > Ammachi > <Ammachi?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 "By the way, the New York satsang is holding a special concert on Friday night, in Flushing, and word went out recently that Dayamrita's schedule now permits him to attend. Why don't you take the train up from D.C., Tom, and join us?" Thanks, but I already passed on his satsang a few weeks back when he was in town here. I've officially "divorced" myself from the local group and D's talks always bore me. My money and time are urgently needed towards other things right now, otherwise a nice trip out of town would be nice; I also work weekends right now. tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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