Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I realized my earlier post without this addition information, could me not fully understood: Evolved is very different than being perfect. Even Swami P's first teacher Ratnamji cursed Nealu's porters to the lowest place in hell after losing his temper at how Nealu was mistreated. In other words, a single moment of weakness can be a curse for you, even from a person more evolved than yourself. I haven't mastered tapas or one-pointedness, but from what I've seen of spiritual aspirants, I do alot of tapas and the one-pointedness came as a direct result of following Ammachi's teachings. The Wishfulfilling Jewel/Cow/Tree is also symbolic. In Bhakti Yoga, at a certain point, your Ishta Devata can become like a wishfulfilling jewel, or the Kundalini like the cow or tree, depending on how you look at it. Some sadhana's directly increase this influence: LS Stotram intro states, "Ayeem Beejam, Kleem Shaktih", Creation is the Seed and Desire is the Energy (which brings it forth). By chanting the LS, your desires are fulfilled. The 108th name of both Saturn and Ketu refer to granting the wishes of devotees. This all of course, depends on your karma. I've had some strong desires not manifest and others do. Recent personal example: In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet). Recently while paging through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their difference in balance and length. A few weeks later after this Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which he bought in a thrift store for $35. It obviously hadn't been used by a student due to it's excellent condition. See? tom Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote: > > Tom > > If you have mastered tapas and one-pointedness, why would you still be > manifesting STRAY thoughts? > > Just a thought. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 How lovely of your brother to think of you and present you this wonderful gift. On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Tom wrote: > I realized my earlier post without this addition information, could > me not fully understood: > > Evolved is very different than being perfect.  Even Swami P's first > teacher Ratnamji cursed Nealu's porters to the lowest place in hell > after losing his temper at how Nealu was mistreated. In other words, > a single moment of weakness can be a curse for you, even from a > person more evolved than yourself. > > I haven't mastered tapas or one-pointedness, but from what I've seen > of spiritual aspirants, I do alot of tapas and the one-pointedness > came as a direct result of following Ammachi's teachings. > > The Wishfulfilling Jewel/Cow/Tree is also symbolic.  In Bhakti Yoga, > at a certain point, your Ishta Devata can become like a > wishfulfilling jewel, or the Kundalini like the cow or tree, > depending on how you look at it.  Some sadhana's directly increase > this influence: > > LS Stotram intro states, "Ayeem Beejam, Kleem Shaktih", Creation is > the Seed and Desire is the Energy (which brings it forth). By > chanting the LS, your desires are fulfilled.  The 108th name of both > Saturn and Ketu refer to granting the wishes of devotees.  > > This all of course, depends on your karma. I've had some strong > desires not manifest and others do. > > Recent personal example:  In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a > trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet).  Recently while paging > through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made > trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled > down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for > fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their > difference in balance and length.   A few weeks later after this > Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which > he bought in a thrift store for $35.  It obviously hadn't been used > by a student due to it's excellent condition.  See? > > tom > > Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote: > > > > Tom > > > > If you have mastered tapas and one-pointedness, why would you still > be > > manifesting STRAY thoughts? > > > > Just a thought. > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote: > ..... > Recent personal example: In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a > trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet). Recently while paging > through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made > trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled > down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for > fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their > difference in balance and length. A few weeks later after this > Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which > he bought in a thrift store for $35. It obviously hadn't been used > by a student due to it's excellent condition. See? > > tom > Thanks for claryfying, Tom, and namaste, Are you familiar with "Silence of the Heart" by Robert Adams? This came to mind, because when Robert was a child he had a wish- fulfilling mantra. He would simply repeat God, God, God three times and answers would come for a math test, etc, etc. And in a similar way( how you got your trumpet ), Robert got a violin from an uncle who thought it was a good idea to bring it to Robert. If you haven't read "Silence of the Heart" you may enjoy it. It was recommended to me by a very humble American renunciant living at Amritapuri. We got the book from Amritapuri Ashram Library and had it photo copied at the ashram for a very reasonable price. All the Best with Amma's Blessings, amarnath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Tom, Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places, not to mention some people at Amma's ashram. Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem. Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman. Jai Maa! Surya - Tom Ammachi Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling I realized my earlier post without this addition information, could me not fully understood: Evolved is very different than being perfect. Even Swami P's first teacher Ratnamji cursed Nealu's porters to the lowest place in hell after losing his temper at how Nealu was mistreated. In other words, a single moment of weakness can be a curse for you, even from a person more evolved than yourself. I haven't mastered tapas or one-pointedness, but from what I've seen of spiritual aspirants, I do alot of tapas and the one-pointedness came as a direct result of following Ammachi's teachings. The Wishfulfilling Jewel/Cow/Tree is also symbolic. In Bhakti Yoga, at a certain point, your Ishta Devata can become like a wishfulfilling jewel, or the Kundalini like the cow or tree, depending on how you look at it. Some sadhana's directly increase this influence: LS Stotram intro states, "Ayeem Beejam, Kleem Shaktih", Creation is the Seed and Desire is the Energy (which brings it forth). By chanting the LS, your desires are fulfilled. The 108th name of both Saturn and Ketu refer to granting the wishes of devotees. This all of course, depends on your karma. I've had some strong desires not manifest and others do. Recent personal example: In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet). Recently while paging through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their difference in balance and length. A few weeks later after this Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which he bought in a thrift store for $35. It obviously hadn't been used by a student due to it's excellent condition. See? tom Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote: > > Tom > > If you have mastered tapas and one-pointedness, why would you still be > manifesting STRAY thoughts? > > Just a thought. > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life in short time. "Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma, etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring to light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that it's not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state. (reading it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe me, I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to sponsor my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and cashing out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the heat and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me simply because of the intense heat and humidity. My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is what makes me question their status. tom Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, > > Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places, not to mention some people at Amma's ashram. > > Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem. > > Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 "True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life in short time". Yes this is true, but I don't see what this has to do with you. My statement still stands as the signs remain the same. As far as vaccinations, who says they are necessary? Many have gone there without any. Besides you are a strong yogi so you don't need to be afraid of such things or to have to rely on others to cough up their hard earned money for you to go. As far as heat, that all depends on what part of the country you are in and at what time. I'm plenty pitta and I managed to survive at the Ujjain Kumbh Mela in 120 F heat with just a little prickly heat rash. Many advanced yogis and tapaswis go beyond bodily comfort as they know they are not the body. If so many old men can do this, how is it that you with your advanced state of realization can not? Just ask one of those Devas/Devis that come to you in meditation for a boon or at least a little help. As far as the Swami's awareness, it becomes more and more obvious that you haven't spent any serious time with any of the men in orange around Amma. Jai Maa! Surya True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life in short time. "Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma, etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring to light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that it's not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state. (reading it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe me, I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to sponsor my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and cashing out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the heat and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me simply because of the intense heat and humidity. My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is what makes me question their status. tom Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, > > Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places, not to mention some people at Amma's ashram. > > Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem. > > Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ha Ha Ha, Surya! Sounds like a good title for a movie. What's up with that film, _Darshan_, anyway, about Amma, that Swamijji went to Cannes for? On 4/7/06, Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: the men in orange around Amma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Glad I could make someone laugh out here. The film will eventually be released in the States. Sometimes it is a slow process for Independent films like that. I spoke with the director at length last summer, since I actually have a degree in film. - Rachel Barrett Gallop Ammachi Friday, April 07, 2006 4:17 PM Re: Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling Ha Ha Ha, Surya! Sounds like a good title for a movie. What's up with that film, _Darshan_, anyway, about Amma, that Swamijji went to Cannes for? On 4/7/06, Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: the men in orange around Amma. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 "As far as vaccinations, who says they are necessary? " You know, when I first got the basics (hep and another one I can't recall right now) the Jap Encephytlitis was considered "optional". I later learned there was an outbreak of such in areas I was to visit. "Many have gone there without any. Besides you are a strong yogi so you don't need to be afraid of such things or to have to rely on others to cough up their hard earned money for you to go." This is a fallacy (false doctrine). "If so many old men can do this, how is it that you with your advanced state of realization can not? Just ask one of those Devas/Devis that come to you in meditation for a boon or at least a little help." Ask someone who's actually gone/going through it. Try Swami P. Being cynical is soooo loving ain't it? tom > As far as the Swami's awareness, it becomes more and more obvious that you haven't spent any serious time with any of the men in orange around Amma. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past > life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life > in short time. > > "Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma, > etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring to > light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that it's > not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state. (reading > it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe me, > I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to sponsor > my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had > planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and cashing > out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule > during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the heat > and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me simply > because of the intense heat and humidity. > > My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is what > makes me question their status. > tom > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so > even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do > not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled > there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places, > not to mention some people at Amma's ashram. > > > > Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you > have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of > them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem. > > > > Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This > is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Tom, the only false doctrine here is you. Ha! - Tom Ammachi Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:05 AM Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling "As far as vaccinations, who says they are necessary? " You know, when I first got the basics (hep and another one I can't recall right now) the Jap Encephytlitis was considered "optional". I later learned there was an outbreak of such in areas I was to visit. "Many have gone there without any. Besides you are a strong yogi so you don't need to be afraid of such things or to have to rely on others to cough up their hard earned money for you to go." This is a fallacy (false doctrine). "If so many old men can do this, how is it that you with your advanced state of realization can not? Just ask one of those Devas/Devis that come to you in meditation for a boon or at least a little help." Ask someone who's actually gone/going through it. Try Swami P. Being cynical is soooo loving ain't it? tom > As far as the Swami's awareness, it becomes more and more obvious that you haven't spent any serious time with any of the men in orange around Amma. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past > life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life > in short time. > > "Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma, > etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring to > light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that it's > not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state. (reading > it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe me, > I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to sponsor > my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had > planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and cashing > out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule > during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the heat > and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me simply > because of the intense heat and humidity. > > My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is what > makes me question their status. > tom > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so > even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do > not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled > there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places, > not to mention some people at Amma's ashram. > > > > Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you > have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of > them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem. > > > > Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This > is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 I forgot to mention that I have desired to go to India (except for the weather part), but just as Krishna didn't allow Arjuna to give up his part in the battle and become a renunciate, I too have my Dharma to fulfill here. Manifested Desires is subject to Karma. If it's meant to happen, nothing can stop it, and if it's not then nothing can bring it into being. Many prayers of many years for a person can go unanswered, while a small one may get granted immediately for another. Good fortune allows a person to be Unaffected by false beliefs, foolish actions and bad deeds. Bad fortune prevents any good coming from virtuous deeds. Get Dayamrita to SINCERELY ask Amma, rather than you all seeing this as a test of Dayamrita's perserverence under fire. Stop taking things personally and get to the real issues. tom Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, the only false doctrine here is you. Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Going to India isn't really important. India is in the heart. When you sit high in the Himalayas, it is still your same mind. Though there is a very supportive vibe in the air, you can juice up the vibe in your own living space. Many fantasize about living in a cave. That is because none of them have ever even spent one night in a cave in the jungle, especially alone. Instead of asking us to spend our precious time asking Dayamrita anything regarding the things you CHOOSE to complain about, why don't you do it yourself. Or better yet go straight to Amma. But be willing to accept Her answer. - Tom Ammachi Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:28 PM Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling I forgot to mention that I have desired to go to India (except for the weather part), but just as Krishna didn't allow Arjuna to give up his part in the battle and become a renunciate, I too have my Dharma to fulfill here. Manifested Desires is subject to Karma. If it's meant to happen, nothing can stop it, and if it's not then nothing can bring it into being. Many prayers of many years for a person can go unanswered, while a small one may get granted immediately for another. Good fortune allows a person to be Unaffected by false beliefs, foolish actions and bad deeds. Bad fortune prevents any good coming from virtuous deeds. Get Dayamrita to SINCERELY ask Amma, rather than you all seeing this as a test of Dayamrita's perserverence under fire. Stop taking things personally and get to the real issues. tom Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, the only false doctrine here is you. Ha! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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