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I realized my earlier post without this addition information, could

me not fully understood:

 

Evolved is very different than being perfect. Even Swami P's first

teacher Ratnamji cursed Nealu's porters to the lowest place in hell

after losing his temper at how Nealu was mistreated. In other words,

a single moment of weakness can be a curse for you, even from a

person more evolved than yourself.

 

I haven't mastered tapas or one-pointedness, but from what I've seen

of spiritual aspirants, I do alot of tapas and the one-pointedness

came as a direct result of following Ammachi's teachings.

 

The Wishfulfilling Jewel/Cow/Tree is also symbolic. In Bhakti Yoga,

at a certain point, your Ishta Devata can become like a

wishfulfilling jewel, or the Kundalini like the cow or tree,

depending on how you look at it. Some sadhana's directly increase

this influence:

 

LS Stotram intro states, "Ayeem Beejam, Kleem Shaktih", Creation is

the Seed and Desire is the Energy (which brings it forth). By

chanting the LS, your desires are fulfilled. The 108th name of both

Saturn and Ketu refer to granting the wishes of devotees.

 

This all of course, depends on your karma. I've had some strong

desires not manifest and others do.

 

Recent personal example: In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a

trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet). Recently while paging

through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made

trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled

down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for

fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their

difference in balance and length. A few weeks later after this

Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which

he bought in a thrift store for $35. It obviously hadn't been used

by a student due to it's excellent condition. See?

 

tom

 

Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote:

>

> Tom

>

> If you have mastered tapas and one-pointedness, why would you still

be

> manifesting STRAY thoughts?

>

> Just a thought.

>

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How lovely of your brother to think of you and present you this

wonderful gift.

 

 

On Apr 5, 2006, at 11:15 AM, Tom wrote:

 

> I realized my earlier post without this addition information, could

> me not fully understood:

>

> Evolved is very different than being perfect.   Even Swami P's first

> teacher Ratnamji cursed Nealu's porters to the lowest place in hell

> after losing his temper at how Nealu was mistreated.  In other words,

> a single moment of weakness can be a curse for you, even from a

> person more evolved than yourself. 

>

> I haven't mastered tapas or one-pointedness, but from what I've seen

> of spiritual aspirants, I do alot of tapas and the one-pointedness

> came as a direct result of following Ammachi's teachings.

>

> The Wishfulfilling Jewel/Cow/Tree is also symbolic.   In Bhakti Yoga,

> at a certain point, your Ishta Devata can become like a

> wishfulfilling jewel, or the Kundalini like the cow or tree,

> depending on how you look at it.   Some sadhana's directly increase

> this influence:

>

> LS Stotram intro states, "Ayeem Beejam, Kleem Shaktih", Creation is

> the Seed and Desire is the Energy (which brings it forth).  By

> chanting the LS, your desires are fulfilled.   The 108th name of both

> Saturn and Ketu refer to granting the wishes of devotees.  

>

> This all of course, depends on your karma.  I've had some strong

> desires not manifest and others do.

>

> Recent personal example:   In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a

> trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet).   Recently while paging

> through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made

> trumpets.  The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled

> down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for

> fun".  I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their

> difference in balance and length.    A few weeks later after this

> Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which

> he bought in a thrift store for $35.   It obviously hadn't been used

> by a student due to it's excellent condition.   See?

>

> tom

>

> Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote:

> >

> > Tom

> >

> > If you have mastered tapas and one-pointedness, why would you still

> be

> > manifesting  STRAY thoughts?

> >

> > Just a thought.

> >

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mata amritanandamayi

>

>

>

>

>

> ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

>  

> ▪  

>  Ammachi

>  

> ▪   Terms of

> Service.

>

>

>

>

 

 

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Ammachi, "Tom" <tomgull wrote:

> .....

> Recent personal example: In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like

a

> trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet). Recently while paging

> through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made

> trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled

> down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play

for

> fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of

their

> difference in balance and length. A few weeks later after this

> Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet

which

> he bought in a thrift store for $35. It obviously hadn't been

used

> by a student due to it's excellent condition. See?

>

> tom

>

Thanks for claryfying, Tom, and namaste,

 

Are you familiar with "Silence of the Heart" by Robert Adams? This

came to mind, because when Robert was a child he had a wish-

fulfilling mantra. He would simply repeat God, God, God three times

and answers would come for a math test, etc, etc.

 

And in a similar way( how you got your trumpet ), Robert got a violin

from an uncle who thought it was a good idea to bring it to Robert.

 

If you haven't read "Silence of the Heart" you may enjoy it. It was

recommended to me by a very humble American renunciant living at

Amritapuri. We got the book from Amritapuri Ashram Library and had it

photo copied at the ashram for a very reasonable price.

 

All the Best with Amma's Blessings,

amarnath

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Tom,

 

Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so even if you

knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do not do. On top of

that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled there visiting and living with

sadhus, especially in remote places, not to mention some people at Amma's

ashram.

 

Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you have any real

idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of them as you have in the past

or hold yourself in such high esteem.

 

Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This is why Amma

just refers to Herself as some crazy woman.

 

Jai Maa!

 

Surya

-

Tom

Ammachi

Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:15 AM

Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling

 

 

I realized my earlier post without this addition information, could

me not fully understood:

 

Evolved is very different than being perfect. Even Swami P's first

teacher Ratnamji cursed Nealu's porters to the lowest place in hell

after losing his temper at how Nealu was mistreated. In other words,

a single moment of weakness can be a curse for you, even from a

person more evolved than yourself.

 

I haven't mastered tapas or one-pointedness, but from what I've seen

of spiritual aspirants, I do alot of tapas and the one-pointedness

came as a direct result of following Ammachi's teachings.

 

The Wishfulfilling Jewel/Cow/Tree is also symbolic. In Bhakti Yoga,

at a certain point, your Ishta Devata can become like a

wishfulfilling jewel, or the Kundalini like the cow or tree,

depending on how you look at it. Some sadhana's directly increase

this influence:

 

LS Stotram intro states, "Ayeem Beejam, Kleem Shaktih", Creation is

the Seed and Desire is the Energy (which brings it forth). By

chanting the LS, your desires are fulfilled. The 108th name of both

Saturn and Ketu refer to granting the wishes of devotees.

 

This all of course, depends on your karma. I've had some strong

desires not manifest and others do.

 

Recent personal example: In gradeschool I played the Cornet (like a

trumpet, but not a true "short" cornet). Recently while paging

through a guitar magazine I noticed some inexpensive foreign made

trumpets. The thought came to me, "Someday, when my life's settled

down a bit, I think I'll get one of these "trumpets" just to play for

fun". I hadn't seen any cornets, which I preferred because of their

difference in balance and length. A few weeks later after this

Subtle and Small thought, my brother gave me an antique cornet which

he bought in a thrift store for $35. It obviously hadn't been used

by a student due to it's excellent condition. See?

 

tom

 

Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote:

>

> Tom

>

> If you have mastered tapas and one-pointedness, why would you still

be

> manifesting STRAY thoughts?

>

> Just a thought.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

Mata amritanandamayi

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

 

b..

Ammachi

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past

life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life

in short time.

 

"Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma,

etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring to

light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that it's

not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state. (reading

it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe me,

I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to sponsor

my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had

planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and cashing

out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule

during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the heat

and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me simply

because of the intense heat and humidity.

 

My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is what

makes me question their status.

tom

 

Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so

even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do

not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled

there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places,

not to mention some people at Amma's ashram.

>

> Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you

have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of

them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem.

>

> Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This

is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

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"True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past life, it can

cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life in short time".

 

Yes this is true, but I don't see what this has to do with you. My statement

still stands as the signs remain the same.

 

As far as vaccinations, who says they are necessary? Many have gone there

without any. Besides you are a strong yogi so you don't need to be afraid of

such things or to have to rely on others to cough up their hard earned money for

you to go.

 

As far as heat, that all depends on what part of the country you are in and at

what time. I'm plenty pitta and I managed to survive at the Ujjain Kumbh Mela

in 120 F heat with just a little prickly heat rash. Many advanced yogis and

tapaswis go beyond bodily comfort as they know they are not the body. If so

many old men can do this, how is it that you with your advanced state of

realization can not? Just ask one of those Devas/Devis that come to you in

meditation for a boon or at least a little help.

 

As far as the Swami's awareness, it becomes more and more obvious that you

haven't spent any serious time with any of the men in orange around Amma.

 

Jai Maa!

 

Surya

 

True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past

life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this life

in short time.

 

"Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma,

etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring to

light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that it's

not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state. (reading

it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe me,

I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to sponsor

my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had

planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and cashing

out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule

during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the heat

and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me simply

because of the intense heat and humidity.

 

My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is what

makes me question their status.

tom

 

Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote:

>

> Tom,

>

> Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret, so

even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do or do

not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and traveled

there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote places,

not to mention some people at Amma's ashram.

>

> Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do you

have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of

them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem.

>

> Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth. This

is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

 

b..

Ammachi

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Ha Ha Ha, Surya! Sounds like a good title for a movie. What's up with that

film, _Darshan_, anyway, about Amma, that Swamijji went to Cannes for?

 

On 4/7/06, Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote:

the men in orange around Amma.

 

 

 

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Glad I could make someone laugh out here.

 

The film will eventually be released in the States. Sometimes it is a slow

process for Independent films like that. I spoke with the director at length

last summer, since I actually have a degree in film.

-

Rachel Barrett Gallop

Ammachi

Friday, April 07, 2006 4:17 PM

Re: Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling

 

 

Ha Ha Ha, Surya! Sounds like a good title for a movie. What's up with that

film, _Darshan_, anyway, about Amma, that Swamijji went to Cannes for?

 

On 4/7/06, Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote:

the men in orange around Amma.

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

Mata amritanandamayi

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

 

b..

Ammachi

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"As far as vaccinations, who says they are necessary? "

 

You know, when I first got the basics (hep and another one I can't

recall right now) the Jap Encephytlitis was considered "optional".

I later learned there was an outbreak of such in areas I was to visit.

 

"Many have gone there without any. Besides you are a strong yogi so

you don't need to be afraid of such things or to have to rely on

others to cough up their hard earned money for you to go."

 

This is a fallacy (false doctrine).

 

"If so many old men can do this, how is it that you with your

advanced state of realization can not? Just ask one of those

Devas/Devis that come to you in meditation for a boon or at least a

little help."

 

Ask someone who's actually gone/going through it. Try Swami P.

Being cynical is soooo loving ain't it?

tom

 

 

 

> As far as the Swami's awareness, it becomes more and more obvious

that you haven't spent any serious time with any of the men in orange

around Amma.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

>

> True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past

> life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this

life

> in short time.

>

> "Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma,

> etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring

to

> light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that

it's

> not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state.

(reading

> it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe

me,

> I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to

sponsor

> my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had

> planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and

cashing

> out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule

> during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the

heat

> and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me

simply

> because of the intense heat and humidity.

>

> My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is

what

> makes me question their status.

> tom

>

> Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> wrote:

> >

> > Tom,

> >

> > Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret,

so

> even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do

or do

> not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and

traveled

> there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote

places,

> not to mention some people at Amma's ashram.

> >

> > Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do

you

> have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of

> them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem.

> >

> > Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth.

This

> is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

>

> b..

> Ammachi

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

>

>

>

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Tom, the only false doctrine here is you. Ha!

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Tom

Ammachi

Saturday, April 08, 2006 11:05 AM

Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling

 

 

 

"As far as vaccinations, who says they are necessary? "

 

You know, when I first got the basics (hep and another one I can't

recall right now) the Jap Encephytlitis was considered "optional".

I later learned there was an outbreak of such in areas I was to visit.

 

"Many have gone there without any. Besides you are a strong yogi so

you don't need to be afraid of such things or to have to rely on

others to cough up their hard earned money for you to go."

 

This is a fallacy (false doctrine).

 

"If so many old men can do this, how is it that you with your

advanced state of realization can not? Just ask one of those

Devas/Devis that come to you in meditation for a boon or at least a

little help."

 

Ask someone who's actually gone/going through it. Try Swami P.

Being cynical is soooo loving ain't it?

tom

 

 

 

> As far as the Swami's awareness, it becomes more and more obvious

that you haven't spent any serious time with any of the men in orange

around Amma.

>

> Jai Maa!

>

> Surya

>

> True, I've never doubted that due to karma/sadhana in one's past

> life, it can cause someone to supercede another sadhak in this

life

> in short time.

>

> "Most heavy duty..." True, but there are no absolutes (dogma,

> etc.) You have to remember that I'm a westerner. I only bring

to

> light certain experiences, because there's a general myth that

it's

> not possible for everyone to attain a noticeable high state.

(reading

> it is one thing, actually meeting others is different). Believe

me,

> I know I have more to go to finish, and if someone wants to

sponsor

> my trip to India, I have half the vaccinations already. I had

> planned to go last year after quitting a troublesome job and

cashing

> out the retirement, but things fell through (placed the schedule

> during the summer/monsoon). I'm very pitta and can't take the

heat

> and humidity of DC as it is, so India's been an aversion to me

simply

> because of the intense heat and humidity.

>

> My experience of the Swami's "awareness" and general Dharma is

what

> makes me question their status.

> tom

>

> Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> wrote:

> >

> > Tom,

> >

> > Most heavy duty spiritual aspirants keep their sadhana secret,

so

> even if you knew them, you might not have any idea what they do

or do

> not do. On top of that, you haven't even gone to India and

traveled

> there visiting and living with sadhus, especially in remote

places,

> not to mention some people at Amma's ashram.

> >

> > Do you know how much sadhana Amma's head Swamis have done? Do

you

> have any real idea? If you did, I don't think you would speak of

> them as you have in the past or hold yourself in such high esteem.

> >

> > Humbleness, not pride, is the sign of true Spiritual Growth.

This

> is why Amma just refers to Herself as some crazy woman.

> >

> > Jai Maa!

> >

> > Surya

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

> a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

>

> b..

> Ammachi

>

> c.. Terms

of Service.

>

>

> --

----------

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

 

b..

Ammachi

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I forgot to mention that I have desired to go to India (except for

the weather part), but just as Krishna didn't allow Arjuna to give up

his part in the battle and become a renunciate, I too have my Dharma

to fulfill here.

 

Manifested Desires is subject to Karma. If it's meant to happen,

nothing can stop it, and if it's not then nothing can bring it into

being. Many prayers of many years for a person can go unanswered,

while a small one may get granted immediately for another.

 

Good fortune allows a person to be Unaffected by false beliefs,

foolish actions and bad deeds. Bad fortune prevents any good coming

from virtuous deeds.

 

Get Dayamrita to SINCERELY ask Amma, rather than you all seeing this

as a test of Dayamrita's perserverence under fire. Stop taking

things personally and get to the real issues.

 

tom

 

Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote:

>

> Tom, the only false doctrine here is you. Ha!

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Going to India isn't really important. India is in the heart. When you sit

high in the Himalayas, it is still your same mind. Though there is a very

supportive vibe in the air, you can juice up the vibe in your own living space.

 

Many fantasize about living in a cave. That is because none of them have ever

even spent one night in a cave in the jungle, especially alone.

 

Instead of asking us to spend our precious time asking Dayamrita anything

regarding the things you CHOOSE to complain about, why don't you do it yourself.

Or better yet go straight to Amma. But be willing to accept Her answer.

-

Tom

Ammachi

Sunday, April 09, 2006 2:28 PM

Re: Clarifying thoughts/wish-fulfilling

 

 

I forgot to mention that I have desired to go to India (except for

the weather part), but just as Krishna didn't allow Arjuna to give up

his part in the battle and become a renunciate, I too have my Dharma

to fulfill here.

 

Manifested Desires is subject to Karma. If it's meant to happen,

nothing can stop it, and if it's not then nothing can bring it into

being. Many prayers of many years for a person can go unanswered,

while a small one may get granted immediately for another.

 

Good fortune allows a person to be Unaffected by false beliefs,

foolish actions and bad deeds. Bad fortune prevents any good coming

from virtuous deeds.

 

Get Dayamrita to SINCERELY ask Amma, rather than you all seeing this

as a test of Dayamrita's perserverence under fire. Stop taking

things personally and get to the real issues.

 

tom

 

Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote:

>

> Tom, the only false doctrine here is you. Ha!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

 

b..

Ammachi

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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