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OM NAMAH SIVAYA

 

Maa, i agree that God/Guru is the doer but we also have a part in

the "do." Amma says;

 

"A passenger can be dropped in the station but he is the one who has

to get into the bus and travel. The Guru will show the path. All the

rest depends on the mind and effort of the disciple."

 

if this is a satsang then nothing that takes place here is a

coincidence, even as far as others emails being disturbing and/or it

not being helpful to watch others fight. to me, that is where the

belief that God/Guru is the doer comes in. they are all

circumstances to benefit us, right? as far as i am concerned that

drama is all Amma. it's Amma drama! Amma says,

 

"Complete surrender and discipline under the Guru's guidance is

needed. Isn't this a life of renunciation? It is not possible to get

closer to God if there is no sorrow of some kind. Therefore, God

will create some kind of difficulties through Mother. Having heated

the iron in the fire, the iron smith beats it. It is not possible to

beat it into a shape without heating it up properly. Reformation

won't happen if the iron thinks, "I will not allow myself to be

heated in the fire". The Guru will create obstacles and sorrows for

the disciple. The disciple should overcome all that with intense

sadhana. Spirituality is not for idle people. The difficulties of

the subtle level are hard compared to the sorrows of the external

world. There is nothing to fear for one who dedicates everything to

a Satguru."

 

and i have read what Swamiji says, but who disturbs our peace?

Others or ourselves? below is a paragraph from a book about the

mystical tradition of The Virgin of Guadalupe that seems right in

line with what Amma may be trying to get across to us;

 

"One of the practices of the Mystical Guadalupans relates to deeply

contemplating the concepts of war and peace. They ask themselves

questions such as "What areas of my life are at war? What areas are

at peace? Is the peace alive, or is it the stagnant shell of a

passive learned behavior that's slowly killing me day by day?"

 

Peace isn't obedience. The presence of the Virgin in your life

doesn't lull you into a state of passivity or complancency. If

anything, she does the opposite. She peacefully empowers you to

surgically remove every trace of fear from your being so you can

take mature, directed and creative action in your life rather than

floundering in reaction. The Virgin helps you to stop being a

warrior who fights endless battles in other people's wars. She

encourages you to become a special agent. An intelligence agent.

You go right to the source and clean out disharmony from its roots

until it's completely gone. There's no rush. The battle is over

because it's already won. The important thing is to be completely

thorough, to wipe away with love, caring, and compassion every last

trace of the infection of scarcity, the wrong of selfish hartred and

the man-made illusion of Earthly limitation forever."

 

JAI MA

 

 

 

 

Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote:

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> I love the quotations of Amma's words. That is what I find

inspiring.

> I believe that God/Guru is the doer. Also, as Swami Satyananda

says

> "nothing is worth disturbing your peace". I have found Tom's

emails

> and some of Keval's disturbing. I understand why people are

leaving

> this list. I don't find it at all helpful to watch people fight,

> especially about past situations or about people I don't even

know. I

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OM NAMAH SIVAYA

 

Maa, coincidentally, the Amma quote of the day today is,

 

"Peace is not the opposite of agitation. It is the absence of

agitation. It is a completely relaxed and restful state."

 

and like you say peace is accomplished thru sadhana. The Universe

is a reflecting back to us, so drama is neither to be sought or

avoided but transformed through spiritual practice. what isn't

there can't be reflected. i don't really know much about lineages.

i would say both Amma and Shree Maa are from the same lineage. The

lineage of Supreme Divinity/Creator/Love. both trying desperately to

reflect that Love back to us. i think through sadhana we can see it.

 

JAI MA

 

Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote:

>

> I was just listening to the MP3 of Swami Satyananda Saraswati's

classes

> on the Cosmic Puja. He made the point that every puja and

practice

> that we perform is for the Peace of the Universe. This is the

path

> that I and my lineage are following. I don't feel that it is part

of

> my path or beneficial to my growth to seek out drama even if it is

what

> you call Amma drama. I have every confidence that Goddess and

Guru

> will bring me all the drama that I need.

>

> Namaste

>

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> On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:50 AM, ecjensen_us wrote:

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> > OM NAMAH SIVAYA

> >

> > Maa, i agree that God/Guru is the doer but we also have a part

in

> > the "do."  Amma says;

> >

> > "A passenger can be dropped in the station but he is the one

who has

> > to get into the bus and travel. The Guru will show the path.

All the

> > rest depends on the mind and effort of the disciple." 

> >

> > if this is a satsang then nothing that takes place here is a

> > coincidence, even as far as others emails being disturbing

and/or it

> > not being helpful to watch others fight.  to me, that is where

the

> > belief that God/Guru is the doer comes in.  they are all

> > circumstances to benefit us, right?  as far as i am concerned

that

> > drama is all Amma.  it's Amma drama!  Amma says,

> >

> > "Complete surrender and discipline under the Guru's guidance is

> > needed. Isn't this a life of renunciation? It is not possible

to get

> > closer to God if there is no sorrow of some kind. Therefore, God

> > will create some kind of difficulties through Mother. Having

heated

> > the iron in the fire, the iron smith beats it. It is not

possible to

> > beat it into a shape without heating it up properly. Reformation

> > won't happen if the iron thinks, "I will not allow myself to be

> > heated in the fire". The Guru will create obstacles and sorrows

for

> > the disciple. The disciple should overcome all that with intense

> > sadhana. Spirituality is not for idle people. The difficulties

of

> > the subtle level are hard compared to the sorrows of the

external

> > world. There is nothing to fear for one who dedicates

everything to

> > a Satguru."

> >

> > and i have read what Swamiji says, but who disturbs our peace? 

> > Others or ourselves?  below is a paragraph from a book about

the

> > mystical tradition of The Virgin of Guadalupe that seems right

in

> > line with what Amma may be trying to get across to us;

> >

> > "One of the practices of the Mystical Guadalupans relates to

deeply

> > contemplating the concepts of war and peace.  They ask

themselves

> > questions such as "What areas of my life are at war?  What

areas are

> > at peace?  Is the peace alive, or is it the stagnant shell of a

> > passive learned behavior that's slowly killing me day by day?"

> >      

> > Peace isn't obedience.  The presence of the Virgin in your life

> > doesn't lull you into a state of passivity or complancency.  If

> > anything, she does the opposite.  She peacefully empowers you

to

> > surgically remove every trace of fear from your being so you can

> > take mature, directed and creative action in your life rather

than

> > floundering in reaction.  The Virgin helps you to stop being a

> > warrior who fights endless battles in other people's wars.  She

> > encourages you to become a special agent.  An intelligence

agent. 

> > You go right to the source and clean out disharmony from its

roots

> > until it's completely gone.  There's no rush.  The battle is

over

> > because it's already won.  The important thing is to be

completely

> > thorough, to wipe away with love, caring, and compassion every

last

> > trace of the infection of scarcity, the wrong of selfish

hartred and

> > the man-made illusion of Earthly limitation forever."

> >

> > JAI MA

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> > > I love the quotations of Amma's words.  That is what I find

> > inspiring. 

> > > I believe that God/Guru is the doer.  Also, as Swami

Satyananda

> > says

> > > "nothing is worth disturbing your peace".  I have found Tom's

> > emails

> > > and some of Keval's disturbing.  I understand why people are

> > leaving

> > > this list.  I don't find it at all helpful to watch people

fight,

> > > especially about past situations or about people I don't even

> > know.  I

> > > come here for satsang.  May it be so.

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