Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 GeorgeSon wrote (I think it was you) - "would a local Satsang allow disrespectful acid toned exchanges in front of Amma's alter?" I myself have taken part in such acid toned exchanges in front of Amma at programs I have attended. (You would not believe stuff that happens at the programs and in ashrams all over the world). We can do stupid stuff anywhere anytime. We all do stupid stuff sometimes. The thing to look at is what is motivating the speaker/doer? Being evil isn't usually the motivation for anti-social behaviors - it is pain, fear, frustration. These are things none of us can censor or control in anyone else. I can control my frustration, anger, pain - I cannot do that for anyone else. Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, Supriti Omenka Nnadi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I think being around Amma sometimes brings out feelings of anger and envy simply because we get to compare ourselves to a person who is fully open to spirit. I've been shocked at how many people say they have been to Amma's and say they hated her and I still haven't forgiven a "freind" for saying that Amma is "screwed up". Basically, its a sad facet of our behavior that we want to find the one thing that Amma is doing wrong and totally reject her on those grounds, but really it is a case of underlying envy. One person described it as if we have a beautiful clean white sheet in front of us and we are really upset because we've found a little speck of dirt on it, ignoring the beauty of the rest of the sheet while patting ourselves on the back for finding the little spot of dirt. Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka wrote: GeorgeSon wrote (I think it was you) - "would a local Satsang allow disrespectful acid toned exchanges in front of Amma's alter?" I myself have taken part in such acid toned exchanges in front of Amma at programs I have attended. (You would not believe stuff that happens at the programs and in ashrams all over the world). We can do stupid stuff anywhere anytime. We all do stupid stuff sometimes. The thing to look at is what is motivating the speaker/doer? Being evil isn't usually the motivation for anti-social behaviors - it is pain, fear, frustration. These are things none of us can censor or control in anyone else. I can control my frustration, anger, pain - I cannot do that for anyone else. Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, Supriti Omenka Nnadi Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2006 Report Share Posted March 17, 2006 I once said to a Tibetan nun " I can't believe how lacking in compassion some of the devotees are." She laughed and laughed. She had been a nun for thirty years. She said " it is all samsara. It is all samsara. Within the sangha, outside the sangha. It is still samsara." Her wisdom has stayed with me over the years and helped me to not take myself or others too seriously. Pahari Maa On Mar 17, 2006, at 5:43 PM, S. Crypps wrote: > I think being around Amma sometimes brings out feelings of anger and > envy simply because we get to compare ourselves to a person who is > fully open to spirit. I've been shocked at how many people say they > have been to Amma's and say they hated her and I still haven't > forgiven a "freind" for saying that Amma is "screwed up". Basically, > its a sad facet of our behavior that we want to find the one thing > that Amma is doing wrong and totally reject her on those grounds, but > really it is a case of underlying envy. One person described it as if > we have a beautiful clean white sheet in front of us and we are > really upset because we've found a little speck of dirt on it, > ignoring the beauty of the rest of the sheet while patting ourselves > on the back for finding the little spot of dirt. > > Omenka Supriti Nnadi <oomenka wrote: GeorgeSon wrote (I > think it was you) - "would a local Satsang allow disrespectful acid > toned exchanges in front of Amma's alter?" >   >  I myself have taken part in such acid toned exchanges in front of > Amma at programs I have attended. (You would not believe stuff that > happens at the programs and in ashrams all over the world). We can do > stupid stuff anywhere anytime. We all do stupid stuff sometimes. >   >  The thing to look at is what is motivating the speaker/doer? Being > evil isn't usually the motivation for anti-social behaviors - it is > pain, fear, frustration. These are things none of us can censor or > control in anyone else. I can control my frustration, anger, pain - I > cannot do that for anyone else. > > > Om Namashivaya - In Amma's service, > > Supriti Omenka Nnadi > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > >           > > Mail > Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2006 Report Share Posted March 31, 2006 > Namah Shivaya > > Have been way behind on this list, so it¹s very interesting to follow the > drama more as a witness than as a participant. > > Supriti wrote: > >> > The thing to look at is what is motivating the speaker/doer? Being evil >> isn't >> > usually the motivation for anti-social behaviors - it is pain, fear, >> > frustration. These are things none of us can censor or control in anyone >> > else. I can control my frustration, anger, pain - I cannot do that for >> anyone >> > else. > > Speaking from personal experience, sometimes it can be impossible to control > frustration, anger, pain, despite all my best intentions. There are times when > this child turns right back into a 2 year old. > > Last year I went to a talk by an expert on dealing with toddler having > tantrums, eg. over being denied a cookie. Forget reacting: ³NO!!!!! YOU > CAN¹T HAVE A COOKIE NOW!!!!² Forget reasoning: ³I¹m sorry, darling, but it¹s > too close to dinnertime. It would spoil your appetite.² (For some reason I > can just hear Big Swami saying that in the voice he uses for story telling:) > > What really helps when a toddler loses it is to reflect back to them what > they¹re saying with body language and words: ³Wanna a cookie! Wanna COOKIE > RIGHT NOW!!!!!²This can have a remarkably calming effect. They feel heard. > They can move from reacting to simple reasoning. This is when they can be > offered 2 good choices, which helps them practice healthy decision making. > Think about how Amma does this all the time in the darshan line, mirroring > each child¹s expressions. And by Her teaching, guiding us toward better > decision making. > > Not sure what it would take to help everyone here feel heard. But pray that > can happen. > > From Amma¹s 14 points for spiritual seekers: > > ³Communication begins when you fully understand the other person¹s point of > view.² > > pranams to all who bring them SELVES here > premarupa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 > Namah Shivaya > > Have been way behind on this list, so it¹s very interesting to follow the > drama more as a witness than as a participant. > > Supriti wrote: > >> > The thing to look at is what is motivating the speaker/doer? Being evil >> isn't >> > usually the motivation for anti-social behaviors - it is pain, fear, >> > frustration. These are things none of us can censor or control in anyone >> > else. I can control my frustration, anger, pain - I cannot do that for >> anyone >> > else. > > Speaking from personal experience, sometimes it can be impossible to control > frustration, anger, pain, despite all my best intentions. There are times when > this child turns right back into a 2 year old. > > Last year I went to a talk by an expert on dealing with toddler having > tantrums, eg. over being denied a cookie. Forget reacting: ³NO!!!!! YOU > CAN¹T HAVE A COOKIE NOW!!!!² Forget reasoning: ³I¹m sorry, darling, but it¹s > too close to dinnertime. It would spoil your appetite.² (For some reason I > can just hear Big Swami saying that in the voice he uses for story telling:) > > What really helps when a toddler loses it is to reflect back to them what > they¹re saying with body language and words: ³Wanna a cookie! Wanna COOKIE > RIGHT NOW!!!!!²This can have a remarkably calming effect. They feel heard. > They can move from reacting to simple reasoning. This is when they can be > offered 2 good choices, which helps them practice healthy decision making. > Think about how Amma does this all the time in the darshan line, mirroring > each child¹s expressions. And by Her teaching, guiding us toward better > decision making. > > Not sure what it would take to help everyone here feel heard. But pray that > can happen. > > From Amma¹s 14 points for spiritual seekers: > > ³Communication begins when you fully understand the other person¹s point of > view.² > > pranams to all who bring them SELVES here > premarupa > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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