Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Lets take a poll: Should the rule of the group be: Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator if it makes sense to do so. Jai Maa! Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I submit that "positive" and "negative" are a matter of individual perception. What makes a person/situation/statement a "positive" or "negative" experience is, to me, in the way we react or don't react to it. If I had my choice, I would ask that those who post to this list be, in their hearts, sincere spiritual aspirants who have been touched in some way by our Amma. Then let each speak freely, and let us choose as individuals whether to react or not. This whole issue would probably have died out long ago if the flames hadn't been fanned in the first place. Let us allow our fellow members to speak from their hearts and not promote an environment of censorship. The whole concept of "Only positive messages" strikes me as rather manipulative. On this path, questions come up, feelings are hurt, our egos are brought right up to the surface and rubbed in our faces. Instead of seeking to control our fellow devotees, which is the heart of Tom's original complaint, let us offer our blessings and choose not to react. love, Prajna Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: Lets take a poll: Should the rule of the group be: Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator if it makes sense to do so. Jai Maa! Surya Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Travel Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 I would like to see this forum be "devotional and inspirational". Let the complainers post on the "free speech forum" since that is available. I certainly feel that remarks that denigrate Amma and her chosen companions and sevaks do not belong on this forum. As a swami I know says "respect is the mark of a true sadhu". It is a basic part of sadhana to treat all (not just the Guru and the swamis and brahmachari's ) with respect. Perhaps we need to grow into that aspect of spiritual life. But I feel that it is a worthy goal. Pahari Maa On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Prajna - Brianna wrote: > I submit that "positive" and "negative" are a matter of individual > perception. What makes a person/situation/statement a "positive" or > "negative" experience is, to me, in the way we react or don't react to > it. >   >  If I had my choice, I would ask that those who post to this list > be, in their hearts, sincere spiritual aspirants who have been touched > in some way by our Amma. Then let each speak freely, and let us choose > as individuals whether to react or not. >   >  This whole issue would probably have died out long ago if the > flames hadn't been fanned in the first place. Let us allow our fellow > members to speak from their hearts and not promote an environment of > censorship. The whole concept of "Only positive messages" strikes me > as rather manipulative. On this path, questions come up, feelings are > hurt, our egos are brought right up to the surface and rubbed in our > faces. Instead of seeking to control our fellow devotees, which is the > heart of Tom's original complaint, let us offer our blessings and > choose not to react. >   >  love, >   >  Prajna >   >   >  Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: >  Lets take a poll: > > Should the rule of the group be: > > Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are > allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. > > Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? > > > You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if > you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator > if it makes sense to do so. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > >  >        Mata amritanandamayi >    > >  > >    >    Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >    >    > Ammachi >    >    Terms of > Service. > >    > >  > > > >           > > Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Maybe I should reword the question to read positive vs derrogatory. - Ardis Jackson Ammachi Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:20 PM Re: Question to the Group I would like to see this forum be "devotional and inspirational". Let the complainers post on the "free speech forum" since that is available. I certainly feel that remarks that denigrate Amma and her chosen companions and sevaks do not belong on this forum. As a swami I know says "respect is the mark of a true sadhu". It is a basic part of sadhana to treat all (not just the Guru and the swamis and brahmachari's ) with respect. Perhaps we need to grow into that aspect of spiritual life. But I feel that it is a worthy goal. Pahari Maa On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Prajna - Brianna wrote: > I submit that "positive" and "negative" are a matter of individual > perception. What makes a person/situation/statement a "positive" or > "negative" experience is, to me, in the way we react or don't react to > it. > > If I had my choice, I would ask that those who post to this list > be, in their hearts, sincere spiritual aspirants who have been touched > in some way by our Amma. Then let each speak freely, and let us choose > as individuals whether to react or not. > > This whole issue would probably have died out long ago if the > flames hadn't been fanned in the first place. Let us allow our fellow > members to speak from their hearts and not promote an environment of > censorship. The whole concept of "Only positive messages" strikes me > as rather manipulative. On this path, questions come up, feelings are > hurt, our egos are brought right up to the surface and rubbed in our > faces. Instead of seeking to control our fellow devotees, which is the > heart of Tom's original complaint, let us offer our blessings and > choose not to react. > > love, > > Prajna > > > Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > Lets take a poll: > > Should the rule of the group be: > > Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are > allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. > > Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? > > > You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if > you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator > if it makes sense to do so. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > â–ª Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > â–ª > Ammachi > > â–ª Terms of > Service. > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Om Namah Shivaya: I bow down to the Children of the Divine. IMHO the words positive and negative need to be taken off the petition. If this were a true satsang (Amma says this very group is so some can take it on Faith) then the conduct appropriateto a normal local satsang could be propitiated. For example would the eg Taos New Mexico Satsang or eg. Boulder Colorado Ammachi Satsang allow a member to openly and in full view of all the members speak ina disparaging manner about a Swami or Brahmachari. If it were allowed what would the effect be. People come to weekly Satsangs to find a place to be at Peace and offer devotion to the Guru. The food fights on CNN and Fox News have a place. Talk Radio has Bush bashers and Bush apologists etc. But this is a place for vasana reducing not vasana enhancement. Would a local Ammachi Satsang encourage flaming on its email Satsang list? For that matter leave aside titles like Swamini/Brahmachari etc.. - would a local Satsang allow disrespectful acid toned exchanges in front of Amma's alter? This may not be the right medium for freeform wideopen outspokeness. We are here to deepen our Sadhana collectively. Controversy and flaming are finein a proper time and a proper place. The downside is that these modalities further agitate the already hypersensitive minds equilibrium. For example if I am invited to a Funeral could I bring a boombox blasting hardcore hip hop?. Well this is America/Canada (fill in the democracy) isnt it?. Can one not exercise free speech by blasting gangsta hip hop during Amma's Atma Puja pre-Devi Bhava. No censorship eh? Allow another example. I am attending a lecture by the Dalai Lama. Can I scream pro-Bejing epithets there? or At a up-scale restaurant does one fart real loud. Laugh okay. A little humor might take off some of the edge - Are your guys laughing with me or against me? Oh well. The point is this: In a Satsang two basic rules need to be honored. 1) Respect 2) Dharma. With Love, GeorgeSon Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji wrote: > > I submit that "positive" and "negative" are a matter of individual perception. What makes a person/situation/statement a "positive" or "negative" experience is, to me, in the way we react or don't react to it. > > If I had my choice, I would ask that those who post to this list be, in their hearts, sincere spiritual aspirants who have been touched in some way by our Amma. Then let each speak freely, and let us choose as individuals whether to react or not. > > This whole issue would probably have died out long ago if the flames hadn't been fanned in the first place. Let us allow our fellow members to speak from their hearts and not promote an environment of censorship. The whole concept of "Only positive messages" strikes me as rather manipulative. On this path, questions come up, feelings are hurt, our egos are brought right up to the surface and rubbed in our faces. Instead of seeking to control our fellow devotees, which is the heart of Tom's original complaint, let us offer our blessings and choose not to react. > > love, > > Prajna > > > Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > Lets take a poll: > > Should the rule of the group be: > > Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. > > Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? > > > You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator if it makes sense to do so. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 Wel said! Right on! - leokomor Ammachi Wednesday, March 15, 2006 1:31 PM Re: Question to the Group Om Namah Shivaya: I bow down to the Children of the Divine. IMHO the words positive and negative need to be taken off the petition. If this were a true satsang (Amma says this very group is so some can take it on Faith) then the conduct appropriateto a normal local satsang could be propitiated. For example would the eg Taos New Mexico Satsang or eg. Boulder Colorado Ammachi Satsang allow a member to openly and in full view of all the members speak ina disparaging manner about a Swami or Brahmachari. If it were allowed what would the effect be. People come to weekly Satsangs to find a place to be at Peace and offer devotion to the Guru. The food fights on CNN and Fox News have a place. Talk Radio has Bush bashers and Bush apologists etc. But this is a place for vasana reducing not vasana enhancement. Would a local Ammachi Satsang encourage flaming on its email Satsang list? For that matter leave aside titles like Swamini/Brahmachari etc.. - would a local Satsang allow disrespectful acid toned exchanges in front of Amma's alter? This may not be the right medium for freeform wideopen outspokeness. We are here to deepen our Sadhana collectively. Controversy and flaming are finein a proper time and a proper place. The downside is that these modalities further agitate the already hypersensitive minds equilibrium. For example if I am invited to a Funeral could I bring a boombox blasting hardcore hip hop?. Well this is America/Canada (fill in the democracy) isnt it?. Can one not exercise free speech by blasting gangsta hip hop during Amma's Atma Puja pre-Devi Bhava. No censorship eh? Allow another example. I am attending a lecture by the Dalai Lama. Can I scream pro-Bejing epithets there? or At a up-scale restaurant does one fart real loud. Laugh okay. A little humor might take off some of the edge - Are your guys laughing with me or against me? Oh well. The point is this: In a Satsang two basic rules need to be honored. 1) Respect 2) Dharma. With Love, GeorgeSon Ammachi, Prajna - Brianna <prajnaji wrote: > > I submit that "positive" and "negative" are a matter of individual perception. What makes a person/situation/statement a "positive" or "negative" experience is, to me, in the way we react or don't react to it. > > If I had my choice, I would ask that those who post to this list be, in their hearts, sincere spiritual aspirants who have been touched in some way by our Amma. Then let each speak freely, and let us choose as individuals whether to react or not. > > This whole issue would probably have died out long ago if the flames hadn't been fanned in the first place. Let us allow our fellow members to speak from their hearts and not promote an environment of censorship. The whole concept of "Only positive messages" strikes me as rather manipulative. On this path, questions come up, feelings are hurt, our egos are brought right up to the surface and rubbed in our faces. Instead of seeking to control our fellow devotees, which is the heart of Tom's original complaint, let us offer our blessings and choose not to react. > > love, > > Prajna > > > Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > Lets take a poll: > > Should the rule of the group be: > > Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. > > Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? > > > You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator if it makes sense to do so. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Travel > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2006 Report Share Posted March 15, 2006 to all the beloved darling children and of AMMA.the beautiful thing is that HER LOVE for us is never tampered with.AMMAs LOVE FOR US IS NEVER TAINTED.that is what AMMA has revealed to this child through all of this. today this child in the streets of Oakland cailfornia was blessed to hug one of AMMAs homeless children.his name was rick and he was about 65.AMMAs sun hugged him and he hugged this child.AMMAs sun gave him a flier inviting him to AMMAs DARSHAN and also left him with a picture of OUR BELOVED MOTHER. rick lives at the Oakland army winter shelter.he was so open hearted .his close were dirty but his heart was clean.AMMA gave this chiild Darshan through his dirty clothing as this child invited him to recieve DARSHAN from his AMMA. in june we will through AMMAs GRACE bring a couple of vans to this shelter to pick up HER CHILDREN for DARSHAN.this sacred responsiblity SHE has placed in this lap.what freedom it is to be able to serve. while we waste energy debating about nonsense,our blessings to serve go right by us.once a moment is gone ,it is gone.people are DYING and starving and LONELY.there is a child with h.i.v starving that is sleeping in a cardboard box.consider this when these pointless debates take place. ALL my life AMMAs sun has taken life for granted and then wondered why i kept bumping my head.AMMAs sun cannot change any of you ,he can but change his view of YOU.you are all AMMAs darling children and that, you ,nor i, can never change. yesterday AMMAs sun walked through the streets of san francisco and there are hundreds of AMMAs children out there that are destitute and hurting deeply.ALL he can think to do is to help them somehow some way. oh yeah.yesterday AMMAs sun went to OMEGA BOYS CLUB and met 100 of AMMAs african american children and DR.marshall. it was awsome.it has been confirmed .we will be announcing AMMAs coing to 300,000 .in a week and a half AMMAs sun is going back to speak to the kids about his life and AMMA IN his life. we will donate a huge picture of AMMA that DR.marshall will place on the wall,along with awaken children books to go on the clubs book shelf.\ some of the kids want to help AMMAs sun organize the trip to see AMMA in june.when AMMAs sun goes back in two weeks to speak, a devotee has agreed to come that will take pictures. AMMAs sun has nothing, nor does he own anything,but through this,SHE has given this lost child everything. sincerley, your innocent desire >Ardis Jackson <ardis1 >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: Question to the Group >Wed, 15 Mar 2006 13:20:31 -0800 > >I would like to see this forum be "devotional and inspirational". > >Let the complainers post on the "free speech forum" since that is >available. > >I certainly feel that remarks that denigrate Amma and her chosen >companions and sevaks do not belong on this forum. As a swami I know >says "respect is the mark of a true sadhu". It is a basic part of >sadhana to treat all (not just the Guru and the swamis and >brahmachari's ) with respect. > >Perhaps we need to grow into that aspect of spiritual life. But I feel >that it is a worthy goal. > >Pahari Maa > >On Mar 15, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Prajna - Brianna wrote: > > > I submit that "positive" and "negative" are a matter of individual > > perception. What makes a person/situation/statement a "positive" or > > "negative" experience is, to me, in the way we react or don't react to > > it. > >   > >  If I had my choice, I would ask that those who post to this list > > be, in their hearts, sincere spiritual aspirants who have been touched > > in some way by our Amma. Then let each speak freely, and let us choose > > as individuals whether to react or not. > >   > >  This whole issue would probably have died out long ago if the > > flames hadn't been fanned in the first place. Let us allow our fellow > > members to speak from their hearts and not promote an environment of > > censorship. The whole concept of "Only positive messages" strikes me > > as rather manipulative. On this path, questions come up, feelings are > > hurt, our egos are brought right up to the surface and rubbed in our > > faces. Instead of seeking to control our fellow devotees, which is the > > heart of Tom's original complaint, let us offer our blessings and > > choose not to react. > >   > >  love, > >   > >  Prajna > >   > >   > >  Mahamuni <mahamuni wrote: > >  Lets take a poll: > > > > Should the rule of the group be: > > > > Only positive messages about Ammachi and her disciples, devotees are > > allowed on this board, please respect these guidelines. > > > > Or should we allow negative comments to be made as well? > > > > > > You can answer simply "positive only" or "positive and negative", if > > you like. Then we can total it up and possibly petition the moderator > > if it makes sense to do so. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > >  > >        Mata amritanandamayi > >    > > > >  > > > >    > >    Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > >    > >    > > Ammachi > >    > >    Terms of > > Service. > > > >    > > > >  > > > > > > > >           > > > > Travel > > Find great deals to the top 10 hottest destinations! > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > >  > > ▪  > >  Ammachi > >  > > ▪  Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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