Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I don't think this was me you're quoting. The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting water, I think. Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth. Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to do so. tom Ammachi, nierika wrote: > > > Tom wrote: > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he is > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our goals > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very sacred and > >> auspicious to worship. > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one complete > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. I have > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a real boon to > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures that depict > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. He doesn't > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure to know. I > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Tom, Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in this place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth"--should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running things. There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you absolutely feel you can not refrain from stating something not positive about him or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words and/or a nicer way of doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma the best he can, as do many others. He has more on his plate than you know of. This is also not the first time you have said negative things about the Swamis in general. Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, I strongly question their validity. As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what goes in. Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. Jai Maa! Surya - Tom Ammachi Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh I don't think this was me you're quoting. The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting water, I think. Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth. Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to do so. tom Ammachi, nierika wrote: > > > Tom wrote: > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he is > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our goals > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very sacred and > >> auspicious to worship. > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one complete > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. I have > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a real boon to > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures that depict > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. He doesn't > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure to know. I > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Thanks for saying this. I did not want to, since when I said something mildly critical of Tom's style, he called it flaming etc. Dayamrita works very hard for Amma, and there is no call to rudely criticize him on a public forum. Criticizing Amma, I don't mind, since I feel she can take it; but this might get back to Dayamrita. I hope if it does he is big enough to ignore it. Nandu Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, > > Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in this place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth"--should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running things. There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you absolutely feel you can not refrain from stating something not positive about him or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words and/or a nicer way of doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma the best he can, as do many others. He has more on his plate than you know of. This is also not the first time you have said negative things about the Swamis in general. > > Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, I strongly question their validity. > > As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what goes in. > > Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Tom > Ammachi > Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh > > > I don't think this was me you're quoting. > > The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually > with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting > water, I think. > > Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), > but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are > different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote > your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his > perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking > about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name > because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly > newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time > will tell the truth. > > Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the > Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga > background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita > is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's > saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for > Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to > do so. > > tom > > Ammachi, nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he > is > > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our > goals > > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very > sacred and > > >> auspicious to worship. > > > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one > complete > > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. > I have > > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a > real boon to > > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures > that depict > > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. > He doesn't > > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure > to know. I > > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 I sure wouldn't want someone to say that about Amma either! - vallathnkumar Ammachi Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:00 PM Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh Thanks for saying this. I did not want to, since when I said something mildly critical of Tom's style, he called it flaming etc. Dayamrita works very hard for Amma, and there is no call to rudely criticize him on a public forum. Criticizing Amma, I don't mind, since I feel she can take it; but this might get back to Dayamrita. I hope if it does he is big enough to ignore it. Nandu Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, > > Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in this place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth"--should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running things. There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you absolutely feel you can not refrain from stating something not positive about him or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words and/or a nicer way of doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma the best he can, as do many others. He has more on his plate than you know of. This is also not the first time you have said negative things about the Swamis in general. > > Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, I strongly question their validity. > > As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what goes in. > > Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Tom > Ammachi > Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh > > > I don't think this was me you're quoting. > > The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually > with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting > water, I think. > > Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), > but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are > different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote > your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his > perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking > about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name > because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly > newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time > will tell the truth. > > Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the > Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga > background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita > is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's > saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for > Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to > do so. > > tom > > Ammachi, nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he > is > > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our > goals > > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very > sacred and > > >> auspicious to worship. > > > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one > complete > > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. > I have > > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a > real boon to > > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures > that depict > > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. > He doesn't > > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure > to know. I > > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Mata amritanandamayi a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Namah Shivaya, My understanding is that Dayamrita is not a "worldly newbie". I am under the impression that he has been around mother for many, many years. This seems like a pretty silly argument to me. Mahamuni wrote: > Tom, > > Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and > opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in this > place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about > Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to > be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the > truth"--should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I > certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has > praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running things. > There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you absolutely > feel you can not refrain from stating something not positive about him > or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words and/or a nicer way of > doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma the best he can, as do > many others. He has more on his plate than you know of. This is also > not the first time you have said negative things about the Swamis in > general. > > Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are > your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, I > strongly question their validity. > > As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have > stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what > goes in. > > Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Tom > Ammachi > Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh > > > I don't think this was me you're quoting. > > The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually > with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting > water, I think. > > Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), > but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are > different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote > your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his > perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking > about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name > because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly > newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time > will tell the truth. > > Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the > Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga > background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita > is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's > saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for > Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to > do so. > > tom > > Ammachi, nierika wrote: > > > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he > is > > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our > goals > > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very > sacred and > > >> auspicious to worship. > > > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one > complete > > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. > I have > > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a > real boon to > > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures > that depict > > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. > He doesn't > > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure > to know. I > > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > </gads?t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamay\ i&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYRmPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > * > Ammachi > <Ammachi?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Namaste( I bow down to the God within you ), Amma says we should bow down to everyone. Starting with NAMASTE helps me to remember this. We are hermit like and have not done Amma's SATSANGS for maybe four years now due to personal circumstances. About eight years ago, when I was involved in starting a satsang in the Philly area, we basically got a few people together and did what we could. Basically, we discussed what we wanted to do in what order, etc. I do not see why everyone who wants that freedom cannot have it now. Of course if a group of devotees want to follow some rules/guidelines that's fine too. Just find a group of like-minded people and be happy and peaceful. Leave others alone. This was basically Amma's suggestion to a large Indian Satsang that were split along two lines; supposedly, She said split the Satsang into two. There is a large Indian community( mostly from Kerala ) around Philly; but most of them follow Chinmayananda and have their own Sansang groups; I attended a few of these and each group was different. Our first Amma's Satsang group in Philly was a mix of some Indian families who always brought their kids( mostly well behaved; but sometimes ? ) and some non-Indians( mostly single and wanting a quiet meditative environment). What evolved naturally without the sting of rigid guidelines was this: First we did Amma's prayer and Amma's 108 names. Next, we started the bhajans. And, if there were some Indians who knew a Ganesha bhajan, we started the Bhajans with that. We always ended with Arati and then food. We tried meditating only a few times; we had some children lead a bhajan or two, etc. Flexibility was the main guideline. When some Indian men started to call me Swami( maybe because I was older than them ), I knew it was time for me to leave. Amma took care of everything. It's all Amma's Play. She knows what is best for us. Amma's Blessings, amarnath/anatol PS ~ my two cents ~ Amma is not spreading hinduism or any organized religion with dogmatic guidelines ~ She is spreading LOVE ! everything else is not that important MAY ALL BEINGS EVERYWHERE BE PEACEFUL AND HAPPY and flexible ! Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > Tom, > > Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in this place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth"-- should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running things. There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you absolutely feel you can not refrain from stating something not positive about him or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words and/or a nicer way of doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma the best he can, as do many others. He has more on his plate than you know of. This is also not the first time you have said negative things about the Swamis in general. > > Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, I strongly question their validity. > > As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what goes in. > > Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. > > Jai Maa! > > Surya > > - > Tom > Ammachi > Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh > > > I don't think this was me you're quoting. > > The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually > with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting > water, I think. > > Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), > but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are > different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote > your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his > perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking > about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name > because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly > newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time > will tell the truth. > > Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the > Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga > background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita > is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's > saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for > Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to > do so. > > tom > > Ammachi, nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he > is > > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our > goals > > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very > sacred and > > >> auspicious to worship. > > > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one > complete > > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. > I have > > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a > real boon to > > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures > that depict > > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. > He doesn't > > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure > to know. I > > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > -- ---------- > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > -- ---------- > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Namaste, Forgot to mention. Dayamritaji, did come to Philly about eight years ago when we were starting. He ate with us, he talked with us, he slept with us, he did the chants and bhajans for us and he left without giving us any guidelines. Perhaps, we all get what karma has in store for us. Talking about it; sayings things should be like this or like that, etc, etc does not change karma. Amma says do the work and the wages will be paid => my interpretation => do spiritual practices( that you enjoy ) with love, without complaining, accepting what is( as best we can ) is the best way to progress. When things get too painful, PLEASE DO COMPLAIN TO GOD for SHe is the only one who can really help you. Om Amriteswaryai Namaha, amarnath Ammachi, "amarnath" <anatol_zinc wrote: > > Namaste( I bow down to the God within you ), > > Amma says we should bow down to everyone. > Starting with NAMASTE helps me to remember this. > > We are hermit like and have not done Amma's SATSANGS for maybe four > years now due to personal circumstances. > > About eight years ago, when I was involved in starting a satsang in > the Philly area, we basically got a few people together and did what > we could. Basically, we discussed what we wanted to do in what order, > etc. I do not see why everyone who wants that freedom cannot have it > now. > > Of course if a group of devotees want to follow some rules/guidelines > that's fine too. > > Just find a group of like-minded people and be happy and peaceful. > Leave others alone. > > This was basically Amma's suggestion to a large Indian Satsang that > were split along two lines; supposedly, She said split the Satsang > into two. > > There is a large Indian community( mostly from Kerala ) around > Philly; but most of them follow Chinmayananda and have their own > Sansang groups; I attended a few of these and each group was > different. > > Our first Amma's Satsang group in Philly was a mix of some Indian > families who always brought their kids( mostly well behaved; but > sometimes ? ) and some non-Indians( mostly single and wanting a quiet > meditative environment). > > What evolved naturally without the sting of rigid guidelines was this: > First we did Amma's prayer and Amma's 108 names. Next, we started the > bhajans. And, if there were some Indians who knew a Ganesha bhajan, > we started the Bhajans with that. We always ended with Arati and then > food. We tried meditating only a few times; we had some children lead > a bhajan or two, etc. Flexibility was the main guideline. > > When some Indian men started to call me Swami( maybe because I was > older than them ), I knew it was time for me to leave. Amma took care > of everything. > > It's all Amma's Play. She knows what is best for us. > > > Amma's Blessings, > amarnath/anatol > PS ~ my two cents ~ Amma is not spreading hinduism or any organized > religion with dogmatic guidelines ~ She is spreading LOVE ! > everything else is not that important > > MAY ALL BEINGS EVERYWHERE BE PEACEFUL AND HAPPY and flexible ! > > > Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni@> wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and > opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in > this place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about > Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita > to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the truth"- - > should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I > certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has > praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running > things. There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you > absolutely feel you can not refrain from stating something not > positive about him or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words > and/or a nicer way of doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma > the best he can, as do many others. He has more on his plate than > you know of. This is also not the first time you have said negative > things about the Swamis in general. > > > > Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are > your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, > I strongly question their validity. > > > > As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have > stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what > goes in. > > > > Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > - > > Tom > > Ammachi > > Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM > > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh > > > > > > I don't think this was me you're quoting. > > > > The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", > usually > > with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants > spouting > > water, I think. > > > > Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree > Maa), > > but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings > are > > different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to > quote > > your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his > > perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're > talking > > about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name > > because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly > > newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". > Time > > will tell the truth. > > > > Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the > > Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga > > background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita > > is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's > > saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong > for > > Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his > decision to > > do so. > > > > tom > > > > Ammachi, nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because > he > > is > > > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of > our > > goals > > > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > > > > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very > > sacred and > > > >> auspicious to worship. > > > > > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to > goals. > > > > > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals > and > > > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one > > complete > > > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this > discussion. > > I have > > > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems > like a > > real boon to > > > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any > pictures > > that depict > > > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about > Ganesha. > > He doesn't > > > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be > sure > > to know. I > > > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms > of Service. > > > > > > -- > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 these statements are all interesting to AMMAs sun.AMMA says that compliment and insult is the same where a spiritual aspirant is concerned.HER LOVE for HER CHILDREN cannot be earned or depleted that is this childs faith and experience. dayamrita through AMMAs grace was the first one who reached out to this child while he was in prison and the second letter writen by somone as far as COLI goes was by him .this was before COLI even had the name.he even gave this child his cell # while he was in prison and offered to send this child money.AMMAs sun never asked him for money ,but he did send all the books and anything else that this child asked for.hundreds saw HER face and learned about AMMA because of AMMAs will through dayamritas hands. even after he did all of this, AMMAs sun is aware that he may disturb him one day.if my love changes for him after that then it wasnt love in the first place.if this child begins to gossip about him then that is not his problem but mine. this perspective takes courage to take.dayamrita has supported one hundred percent of every seva that AMMA has given him to do.at the same time AMMAs sun stays aware that he is but AMMAs child and not AMMA.all the titles given by a OUR MASTER amount to one title and that is SERVANT. we focus so much energy on things that really have no meaning while children die of starvation every day and that same energy could be used in service of them or at least in prayer for them. this applys to THIS child first .without AMMA and all that SHE has done ,this child would be nothing .br.dayamrita is a part of HER chain of command. that is HER RESOLVE. our opinions about him or each other is wasted energy and this may not sit right with someone ,but all of AMMAs teaching say that and every self help book on the planet does as well. you may say dont lecture me,but what you call a lecture is this heart being poured out to you because of the gratitude that this child has for AMMA saving a wretched child like me. >"vallathnkumar" <vallathn >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh >Sun, 12 Mar 2006 01:00:39 -0000 > >Thanks for saying this. I did not want to, since when I said >something mildly critical of Tom's style, he called it flaming etc. >Dayamrita works very hard for Amma, and there is no call to rudely >criticize him on a public forum. Criticizing Amma, I don't mind, >since I feel she can take it; but this might get back to Dayamrita. I >hope if it does he is big enough to ignore it. > >Nandu > >Ammachi, "Mahamuni" <mahamuni wrote: > > > > Tom, > > > > Though while of course you are free to have your feelings and >opinions, and others may even share them, don't you think that in this >place, derrogatory postings like the one you just made about >Dayamrita--"I personally don't hold a worldly newbie like Dayamrita to >be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time will tell the >truth"--should not be made? This isn't the free speech zone. While I >certainly am not the head of Dayamrita's fan club, Amma certainly has >praised him many times in public, and still keeps him running things. > There is no reason to state things in such terms. If you absolutely >feel you can not refrain from stating something not positive about him >or anyone else, at least try to find nicer words and/or a nicer way of >doing it. He certainly does try to serve Amma the best he can, as do >many others. He has more on his plate than you know of. This is also >not the first time you have said negative things about the Swamis in >general. > > > > Why do you harbor so much anger and negativity? Is this where are >your lofty Spiritual and Kundalini experiences have led you? If so, I >strongly question their validity. > > > > As many great Saints, such as Christ, Amma, and Shree Maa, have >stated, what comes out of your mouth is much more important than what >goes in. > > > > Also everyone is worthy of the term "ji", IMHO. > > > > Jai Maa! > > > > Surya > > > > - > > Tom > > Ammachi > > Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:27 AM > > Re: To Tom about inviting Ganesh > > > > > > I don't think this was me you're quoting. > > > > The only pictures of both Laxmi and Ganesh are "Gaja Laxmi", usually > > with Laxmi in the middle and flanked by a pair of elephants spouting > > water, I think. > > > > Linda, a word of advice: I know you revere Swamiji (of Shree Maa), > > but this is an Ammachi board, and Swamiji's and Amma's teachings are > > different enough in places that it's not always appropriate to quote > > your favorite pair here. Swamiji will answer from his > > perspective/tradition, while Amma will have hers. If you're talking > > about asking Dayamrita, perhaps it'll help to mention his name > > because it can get confusing. I personally don't hold a worldly > > newbie like Dayamrita to be worthy of either "swami" or "ji". Time > > will tell the truth. > > > > Mantra traditions or Guru traditions are examples, aside from the > > Guru Bhajan/Ganesh Bhajan debate. People from a Siddha Yoga > > background/teachers will be more focused on "guru" like Dayamrita > > is. Other's may be more deity (istha devata) focused. There's > > saints and mahatmas of both variety. I just think it's wrong for > > Dayamrita to force one way without acknowledging it's his decision to > > do so. > > > > tom > > > > Ammachi, nierika@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote: > > > > > > >> ...The other main reason Ganesh is invoked first is because he > > is > > > >> considered the Lord who destroys obstacles on the path of our > > goals > > > >> and objectives. (Vighneshwara). > > > > > > >> ...In India, Lakshmi-Ganesh combination is considered very > > sacred and > > > >> auspicious to worship. > > > > > > >> ...and Ganesh is the God of destruction of obstacles to goals. > > > > > > >> So by being able to invoke the grace to clarify our goals and > > > >> destroy the obstacles on the path, Laskhmi-Ganesh is one > > complete > > > >> package to success in material and spiritual life! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tom ~ thank you for adding your knowledge to this discussion. > > I have > > > never heard ot the Lakshmi/Ganesh combination, but it seems like a > > real boon to > > > combine them in the way you describe. Do you know of any pictures > > that depict > > > this? I would love to see them. I will ask Swamiji about Ganesha. > > He doesn't > > > respond to every question, but one of the ashramites will be sure > > to know. I > > > have always loved Ganesha. Jai Sri Ganesha ~ Linda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > > b.. > > Ammachi > > > > c.. Terms of >Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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