Amma refusing mantras (was: To joanna about getting a mantra from Amma )

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Om Namah Shivaya,

 

A devotee said that Amma would not give a mantra to her friend, because Amma

just knew, correctly of course, that he had aleady been initiated with a mantra

by another Guru. Also at a retreat, I overheard a young man seeming to

complain that Amma wouldn't give him a mantra, because he already had one. I

imagine that there could be exceptions, depending on the circumstances. For

instance, I've heard of an instance when Amma gave a new mantra at a devotee's

request, when the devotee felt that her previous mantra from Amma wasn't

appropriate anymore. Maybe it would be good to ask Amma directly about this.

 

Sweta

 

nierika wrote:

joanna wrote:

 

Then I met Sri Karunamayi asked Her for mantra for three years

She did not respond , finally last year She promised to give me mantra , I

was happy but

now again I feel a very strong pull to Ammachi and feel strong connection to

ask Ammachi

for mantra . I dont know what is considered proper anymore , or I am doing

something not

right are the Gurus testing me ?

 

 

 

Dear joanna ~ one goes where the heart leads. Even though Karunamayi gave

you a mantra doesn't mean that you can't ask Amma for one also. I have never

heard of Amma refusing to give some one a mantra, although I have heard that

She

will sometimes make people wait for a spiritual name. When you see Amma this

year, ask Her for a mantra. I can't imagine Her saying no.

 

One factoid: you need to know what Deity you want the mantra for. For

example, my sister asked for a Hunaman mantra. I asked for an Amma mantra,

which I

adore. Some people ask for Jesus mantras. If you have an ishta devata

(spelling?), which is your Deity of choice, like Shiva or Saraswati or Ram,

etc.,

you can ask Amma for a mantra for that Deity. So all you need to take with you

is the awareness of what type of mantra you will ask for. Then, I believe,

there is now a special line for people who want mantras to get in, and a class

for people who have received mantras, which I believe is wonderful. They

didn't have that when I received mine.

 

Jai Ma ~ Linda

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

Mata amritanandamayi

 

 

 

 

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Jay Maa

 

Actually I just want to clarify that Sri Karunamayi did not give me mantra She

only sad She

would , I dont know when what and how. I just know that now I feel very drawn to

Ammachi , having sad that I was just was not sure if it is proper to ask once

Sri

Karunamayi

( Who did not give me mantra only sad She would ) , and then ask Ammachi. I love

both

Ammas yet I know one has to be my prime teacher / mother . Thank You All for

great

responses . Namaste , Joanna

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> A devotee said that Amma would not give a mantra to her friend, because Amma

just

knew, correctly of course, that he had aleady been initiated with a mantra by

another

Guru. Also at a retreat, I overheard a young man seeming to complain that Amma

wouldn't give him a mantra, because he already had one. I imagine that there

could be

exceptions, depending on the circumstances. For instance, I've heard of an

instance when

Amma gave a new mantra at a devotee's request, when the devotee felt that her

previous

mantra from Amma wasn't appropriate anymore. Maybe it would be good to ask Amma

directly about this.

>

> Sweta

>

> nierika wrote:

> joanna wrote:

>

> Then I met Sri Karunamayi asked Her for mantra for three years

> She did not respond , finally last year She promised to give me mantra , I

> was happy but

> now again I feel a very strong pull to Ammachi and feel strong connection to

> ask Ammachi

> for mantra . I dont know what is considered proper anymore , or I am doing

> something not

> right are the Gurus testing me ?

>

>

>

> Dear joanna ~ one goes where the heart leads. Even though Karunamayi gave

> you a mantra doesn't mean that you can't ask Amma for one also. I have never

> heard of Amma refusing to give some one a mantra, although I have heard that

She

> will sometimes make people wait for a spiritual name. When you see Amma this

> year, ask Her for a mantra. I can't imagine Her saying no.

>

> One factoid: you need to know what Deity you want the mantra for. For

> example, my sister asked for a Hunaman mantra. I asked for an Amma mantra,

which I

> adore. Some people ask for Jesus mantras. If you have an ishta devata

> (spelling?), which is your Deity of choice, like Shiva or Saraswati or Ram,

etc.,

> you can ask Amma for a mantra for that Deity. So all you need to take with

you

> is the awareness of what type of mantra you will ask for. Then, I believe,

> there is now a special line for people who want mantras to get in, and a

class

> for people who have received mantras, which I believe is wonderful. They

> didn't have that when I received mine.

>

> Jai Ma ~ Linda

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> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

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> Mata amritanandamayi

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> Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

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> Ammachi

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on 3/4/06 11:34 AM, Sweta Mitzel at swetabc wrote:

 

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> A devotee said that Amma would not give a mantra to her friend, because Amma

> just knew, correctly of course, that he had aleady been initiated with a

> mantra by another Guru. Also at a retreat, I overheard a young man seeming

> to complain that Amma wouldn't give him a mantra, because he already had one.

 

Amma gives mantras to TM people (including me) all the time.

[Guest guest]

namaste,

 

i have heard both.

in one case, supposedly Amma said "you have been doing your mantra

for (say) 20 years, just continue"

 

in my case( i have done TM mantra for many years ), She gave me a

Kali Laugh and later a mantra

 

it depends; Amma knows what's best for us

 

in one case, a TMer who was fondly attached to his TM mantra of more

than 30 years, asked Amma to bless his TM mantra; Amma surprised him

by telling him his mantra without looking at the note and of course

blessed it.

 

i'm a little confused following this thread?

question to Joanna ~ are you the one who is trying to decide who is

to be your guru? Ammachi or Karunamayi? if so, that should be

resolved first. i have heard of devotees asking Amma "are you my

Guru?"

 

i met one fellow ~ after the death of his previous guru, he spent

five years with Ammachi looking for clues if She was his next Guru;

his searching ended when he met Karunamayi and accepted Her as his

Guru.

 

amma's blessings,

amarnath

 

 

Ammachi, Rick Archer <amma wrote:

>

> on 3/4/06 11:34 AM, Sweta Mitzel at swetabc wrote:

>

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> >

> > A devotee said that Amma would not give a mantra to her friend,

because Amma

> > just knew, correctly of course, that he had aleady been initiated

with a

> > mantra by another Guru. Also at a retreat, I overheard a young

man seeming

> > to complain that Amma wouldn't give him a mantra, because he

already had one.

>

> Amma gives mantras to TM people (including me) all the time.

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe (this is strictly hypothesis, not fact) Karunamayi has been delaying

giving you a mantra because she thinks that Ammachi is your guru? I don't know,

but I do know that when the time is right, you will know for sure who your guru

is. Most people I think go through some kind of doubt. It is, after all, a MAJOR

decision (which is sort of a joke, because I don't think we really decide that

sort of thing)!

 

My advice would be to pray sincerely to the guru to reveal herself to you, in

whichever form is right for you. Both are, in my opinion, pretty great, although

I have a personal preference for Ammachi because she is my guru, and I can say

that the last seven years with her have been trully life changing and

transformative on so many levels, filled with inexplicable miracles, shattering

my concept of reality, and drawing me closer and deeper into the sweetest love

imaginable, which gets better and better each day.

 

But I also have a very close friend who is a Karunamayi devotee who has had a

really wonderful experience with her as well.

 

Ultimately, a Sat Guru, whoever they may be, will bring us into a love and

peace that will be the end of all our sorrows. They care about us in a way that

no one else on this earth can care about us, and they know our every thought. To

have such a master is the greatest blessing one can receive.

 

"May the divine vision of the Guru ever dwell in me. (The Guru's divine

glance) creates all the worlds, nourishes all things, and penetrates to the

essence of all scriptures. It regards wealth as nothing. It removes failings and

defects. It remains focused on the Ultimate, and through giving rise to wordly

qualities, is firmly set on the final goal of salvation.

 

"It is the principal pillar supporting the stage of all the worlds. It showers

the nectar of compassion. It is the garland with all truths strung on it. It

creates all time. It is permeated by the true bliss of Consciousness.

 

"Devotion to the Guru is the most sacred pilgrimage; every other pilgrimage is

meaningless. O Goddess, all centers of pilgrimage, in fact, are in the Guru's

feet, nay even in one toe."

 

-The Guru Gita

 

love,

 

Prajna

 

joannapollner <joannapollner wrote:

Jay Maa

 

Actually I just want to clarify that Sri Karunamayi did not give me mantra She

only sad She

would , I dont know when what and how. I just know that now I feel very drawn to

Ammachi , having sad that I was just was not sure if it is proper to ask once

Sri

Karunamayi

( Who did not give me mantra only sad She would ) , and then ask Ammachi. I love

both

Ammas yet I know one has to be my prime teacher / mother . Thank You All for

great

responses . Namaste , Joanna

>

> Om Namah Shivaya,

>

> A devotee said that Amma would not give a mantra to her friend, because Amma

just

knew, correctly of course, that he had aleady been initiated with a mantra by

another

Guru. Also at a retreat, I overheard a young man seeming to complain that Amma

wouldn't give him a mantra, because he already had one. I imagine that there

could be

exceptions, depending on the circumstances. For instance, I've heard of an

instance when

Amma gave a new mantra at a devotee's request, when the devotee felt that her

previous

mantra from Amma wasn't appropriate anymore. Maybe it would be good to ask Amma

directly about this.

>

> Sweta

>

> nierika wrote:

> joanna wrote:

>

> Then I met Sri Karunamayi asked Her for mantra for three years

> She did not respond , finally last year She promised to give me mantra , I

> was happy but

> now again I feel a very strong pull to Ammachi and feel strong connection to

> ask Ammachi

> for mantra . I dont know what is considered proper anymore , or I am doing

> something not

> right are the Gurus testing me ?

>

>

>

> Dear joanna ~ one goes where the heart leads. Even though Karunamayi gave

> you a mantra doesn't mean that you can't ask Amma for one also. I have never

> heard of Amma refusing to give some one a mantra, although I have heard that

She

> will sometimes make people wait for a spiritual name. When you see Amma this

> year, ask Her for a mantra. I can't imagine Her saying no.

>

> One factoid: you need to know what Deity you want the mantra for. For

> example, my sister asked for a Hunaman mantra. I asked for an Amma mantra,

which I

> adore. Some people ask for Jesus mantras. If you have an ishta devata

> (spelling?), which is your Deity of choice, like Shiva or Saraswati or Ram,

etc.,

> you can ask Amma for a mantra for that Deity. So all you need to take with

you

> is the awareness of what type of mantra you will ask for. Then, I believe,

> there is now a special line for people who want mantras to get in, and a

class

> for people who have received mantras, which I believe is wonderful. They

> didn't have that when I received mine.

>

> Jai Ma ~ Linda

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

>

>

>

>

> Mata amritanandamayi

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web.

>

>

> Ammachi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Mail

> Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Isn't there a difference in TM? More often than not, the mantra is

given by a teacher of TM rather than directly from Maharishi himself.

When I wanted a mantra from Amma, they asked if I received it directly

from a guru. I had never even met Maharishi in all the years I had

been practicing. But that was my understanding-whether the mantra came

directly from the guru. A teacher of TM wouldn't be the same.

 

adriane

 

 

Ammachi, Rick Archer <amma wrote:

>

> on 3/4/06 11:34 AM, Sweta Mitzel at swetabc wrote:

>

> > Om Namah Shivaya,

> >

> > A devotee said that Amma would not give a mantra to her friend,

because Amma

> > just knew, correctly of course, that he had aleady been initiated

with a

> > mantra by another Guru. Also at a retreat, I overheard a young

man seeming

> > to complain that Amma wouldn't give him a mantra, because he

already had one.

>

> Amma gives mantras to TM people (including me) all the time.

>

[Guest guest]

on 3/5/06 1:15 PM, Adriane at a1driane wrote:

 

> Isn't there a difference in TM? More often than not, the mantra is

> given by a teacher of TM rather than directly from Maharishi himself.

> When I wanted a mantra from Amma, they asked if I received it directly

> from a guru. I had never even met Maharishi in all the years I had

> been practicing. But that was my understanding-whether the mantra came

> directly from the guru. A teacher of TM wouldn't be the same.

 

The principle of it is that when the TM teacher does a puja to Maharishi's

master he is raised momentarily to the status of the tradition of masters,

and thus qualified to impart a mantra. That's open to debate, but somehow it

works.

[Guest guest]

I was initiated by a teacher of TM. However when questioned in the

mantra line (to receive one from Amma), I was asked if I had been

intiated by another guru. I said I had taken TM. The person who was

overseeing this asked if I had been initiated directly by the guru.

I explained it was a teacher of TM. The response was that it was not

the same as the direct initiation of a guru meaning I could be

initiated by Amma. So whatever that means. I guess it doesn't matter

since I got what I needed (ha! and SOME!LOL). (-;>

 

 

Ammachi, Rick Archer <amma wrote:

>

> on 3/5/06 1:15 PM, Adriane at a1driane wrote:

>

> > Isn't there a difference in TM? More often than not, the mantra

is

> > given by a teacher of TM rather than directly from Maharishi

himself.

> > When I wanted a mantra from Amma, they asked if I received it

directly

> > from a guru. I had never even met Maharishi in all the years I

had

> > been practicing. But that was my understanding-whether the

mantra came

> > directly from the guru. A teacher of TM wouldn't be the same.

>

> The principle of it is that when the TM teacher does a puja to

Maharishi's

> master he is raised momentarily to the status of the tradition of

masters,

> and thus qualified to impart a mantra. That's open to debate, but

somehow it

> works.

>

[Guest guest]

Om Namah Sivaya,

 

My first TM mantra was from a TM teacher in 1971. My second mantra

less than two years later was directly from Maharishi. I loved MMY(

Maharishi Mahesh Yogi ) very much and wanted him to be my personal

guru, even though i could not be with him physically or serve the TM

movement full time. Which in retrospect, proved to be a blessing.

 

About 20 years I spent paying back karma and perhaps a little seva

with my parents.

 

By personal guru, i meant some one who would guide me in dreams or

whatever. Some TM'ers explained to me that MMY was a world teacher

and not a personal guru, etc.

 

Anyway, when I asked Amma for a mantra in 1996, She laughed Kali-Like

as a shiver went through my spine( small shiver ) and pointed in the

direction of the mantra line.

 

For some Amma gives mantras right away; others are kept waiting; some

are told to continue with the mantras they have been using for years,

etc. There seem to be no set pattern. Only Amma knows.

 

I have read somewhere, that one tradition in India is to use Vishu

type mantras( Rama, Krishna, etc ) for young people and householders.

Then when they get older to switch to Siva/Kali type mantras. But

then again, India does not have just one tradition.

 

So, one message from Amma seems to be ~ to give up all preconceived

notions of how things are or are supposed to be. Except of course

that one should make an effort to understand and practice in daily

life some basic spiritual principles; and these are are best learned

by studying and contemplating Amma's words. It is said that if one

ernestly studies and applies the words of a Mahatma like Amma, then

no need to study any other scipture. But there are no demerits, if

you do.

 

Thank You Amma.

 

Amma's Blessings,

amarnath

 

 

Ammachi, "Adriane" <a1driane wrote:

>

> I was initiated by a teacher of TM. However when questioned in the

> mantra line (to receive one from Amma), I was asked if I had been

> intiated by another guru. I said I had taken TM. The person who was

> overseeing this asked if I had been initiated directly by the guru.

> I explained it was a teacher of TM. The response was that it was

not

> the same as the direct initiation of a guru meaning I could be

> initiated by Amma. So whatever that means. I guess it doesn't

matter

> since I got what I needed (ha! and SOME!LOL). (-;>

>

>

> Ammachi, Rick Archer <amma@> wrote:

> >

> > on 3/5/06 1:15 PM, Adriane at a1driane@ wrote:

> >

> > > Isn't there a difference in TM? More often than not, the mantra

> is

> > > given by a teacher of TM rather than directly from Maharishi

> himself.

> > > When I wanted a mantra from Amma, they asked if I received it

> directly

> > > from a guru. I had never even met Maharishi in all the years I

> had

> > > been practicing. But that was my understanding-whether the

> mantra came

> > > directly from the guru. A teacher of TM wouldn't be the same.

> >

> > The principle of it is that when the TM teacher does a puja to

> Maharishi's

> > master he is raised momentarily to the status of the tradition of

> masters,

> > and thus qualified to impart a mantra. That's open to debate, but

> somehow it

> > works.

> >

>