Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Namah Shivaya What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our guard down and open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God comes in many forms. Prasadini jmcs_06 wrote: > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several years ago. > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, charming, > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... Later, > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an angry sex > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other spiritual > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > love, Kalika > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > </gads?t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamay\ i&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYRmPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > * > Ammachi > <Ammachi?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 Dear Kalika: You rarely see advanced spiritual seekers at Amma's programs. They probably do not need Amma as badly as fallen souls like me. I am not saying there are not a fair amount of Advanced Seekers at Her events. Perhaps they are the quieter ones in the crowd somewhat aloof and less social. I am a beginner devotee yet my intention is somewhat pure. I try to keep my eye on the Prize. Am I at the program to have fun or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian schmates. I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing or vairagya is possibly an art not a science. I find it extremely difficult to practice. Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer can protect me. It appears dificult to fend off socializers. E Let may say something a little controversial. Even nice wholesome socializers are a waste of time I could be praying before the divine. Time could be spent socializing with Her in heart soul communion. One of the problems is the programs are very long and darshan is not available often til the wee hours. How can one kill time. I try to remember that I have over forty weeks a year to socialize. The tour stop time with Amma is quality time so I better not blow it. You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. GeorgeSon Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time (still need > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... > > love, Kalika > > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> wrote: > > > > Namah Shivaya > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our guard > down and > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God comes > in > > many forms. > > Prasadini > > > > jmcs_06 wrote: > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several years > ago. > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, > charming, > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... > Later, > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an angry sex > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other spiritual > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > </gads? > t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > ------- > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > > > > > * > > > Ammachi > > > <Ammachi? > subject=Un> > > > > > > * Terms > of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- - > ------- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 namah sivaya george son, what is this? On 1/13/2006 leokomor wrote: :schmates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2006 Report Share Posted January 13, 2006 > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe > several years ago. > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, > handsome, charming, > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice > house... Later, > after getting to know him better, I found out he was > an angry sex > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other > spiritual > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > love, Kalika > > Perhaps they could do background checks on everyone who registers for the retreats and come up with a "no-darshan list" of known sex offenders, possible al-Qaeda sympathizers, and people with convictions of anything more than a parking ticket. It wouldn't be too hard to run background checks on retreat registrants, since they've already got your credit card info, though public programs where virtually anyone could walk in would be a little more difficult. But the Dept. of Homeland Security would only be too happy to help the MA Center. I'm actually surprised that I haven't heard reports of women and children being groped or fondled at Amma's programs, given the number of people and the close quarters. Also surprised to note that during the November Michigan retreat, security didn't seem to be ramped up in the wake of the attempted stabbing earlier in 2005, let alone since 9/11. Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 AMMAs son has a question.would one of his BELOVED brothers and sisters please be so kind to tell him what an "ADVANCED SPIRITUAL SEEKER" is? I AM LOVE YOU. >"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06 >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: people at Amma's programs too >Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:38 -0000 > >Thank you GeorgeSon, I enjoy and appreciate your posts. I agree, >advanced spiritual seekers sometimes don't attend Amma's programs as >often as they used to yet MANY still do, for various reasons, and >yes, they are often the ones there not for just "social" >aspects...yet it is ok too to have fun and be social at the >programs. > >You think you're a beginner but you, Beloved GeorgeSon, are no more >a beginner than the rest of us, in my opinion... > >OK, am going out-of-town for the weekend so will have to wait until >next week to respond back to emails. > >love you all, Kalika > >Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote: > > > > Dear Kalika: > > > > You rarely see advanced spiritual > > seekers at Amma's programs. > > They probably do not need > > Amma as badly as fallen > > souls like me. > > > > I am not saying there are not > > a fair amount of Advanced > > Seekers at Her events. > > > > Perhaps they are the quieter > > ones in the crowd somewhat > > aloof and less social. > > > > I am a beginner devotee yet > > my intention is somewhat pure. > > > > I try to keep my eye on the Prize. > > Am I at the program to have fun > > or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? > > > > I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. > > eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian > > schmates. > > > > I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing > > or vairagya is possibly an > > art not a science. I find it > > extremely difficult to practice. > > > > Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer > > can protect me. It appears dificult > > to fend off socializers. E > > > > Let may say something a little controversial. > > Even nice wholesome socializers are a > > waste of time I could be praying before > > the divine. Time could be spent socializing > > with Her in heart soul communion. > > One of the problems is the programs are very > > long and darshan is not available often > > til the wee hours. How can one kill time. > > I try to remember that I have over forty > > weeks a year to socialize. The tour > > stop time with Amma is quality time > > so I better not blow it. > > > > You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: > > > > > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time (still > > need > > > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> >wrote: > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our >guard > > > down and > > > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God >comes > > > in > > > > many forms. > > > > Prasadini > > > > > > > > jmcs_06 wrote: > > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several >years > > > ago. > > > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, > > > charming, > > > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... > > > Later, > > > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an >angry > > sex > > > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other >spiritual > > > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > > > > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > </gads? > > > > > >t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR > > > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- >--- > > - > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > > > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > <Ammachi? > > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > * >Terms > > > of > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- >--- > > - > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I am also interested in a reply to this. You may think that the only "advanced spiritual seekers" are aloof, but I would disagree. Truly we are all in the delusion of maya, on some level or another, and we all have personal issues to work through. I would generally see an "advanced spiritual seeker" as someone who saw themself as one with all beings and all beings as one with themselves, saw God in all beings, and therefore could see beyond such illusory differences. - "temba spirits" <tembaspirits <Ammachi> Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:18 PM RE: Re: people at Amma's programs too > AMMAs son has a question.would one of his BELOVED brothers and sisters > please be so kind to tell him what an "ADVANCED SPIRITUAL SEEKER" is? I AM > LOVE YOU. > > >>"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06 >>Ammachi >>Ammachi >> Re: people at Amma's programs too >>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:38 -0000 >> >>Thank you GeorgeSon, I enjoy and appreciate your posts. I agree, >>advanced spiritual seekers sometimes don't attend Amma's programs as >>often as they used to yet MANY still do, for various reasons, and >>yes, they are often the ones there not for just "social" >>aspects...yet it is ok too to have fun and be social at the >>programs. >> >>You think you're a beginner but you, Beloved GeorgeSon, are no more >>a beginner than the rest of us, in my opinion... >> >>OK, am going out-of-town for the weekend so will have to wait until >>next week to respond back to emails. >> >>love you all, Kalika >> >>Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote: >> > >> > Dear Kalika: >> > >> > You rarely see advanced spiritual >> > seekers at Amma's programs. >> > They probably do not need >> > Amma as badly as fallen >> > souls like me. >> > >> > I am not saying there are not >> > a fair amount of Advanced >> > Seekers at Her events. >> > >> > Perhaps they are the quieter >> > ones in the crowd somewhat >> > aloof and less social. >> > >> > I am a beginner devotee yet >> > my intention is somewhat pure. >> > >> > I try to keep my eye on the Prize. >> > Am I at the program to have fun >> > or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? >> > >> > I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. >> > eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian >> > schmates. >> > >> > I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing >> > or vairagya is possibly an >> > art not a science. I find it >> > extremely difficult to practice. >> > >> > Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer >> > can protect me. It appears dificult >> > to fend off socializers. E >> > >> > Let may say something a little controversial. >> > Even nice wholesome socializers are a >> > waste of time I could be praying before >> > the divine. Time could be spent socializing >> > with Her in heart soul communion. >> > One of the problems is the programs are very >> > long and darshan is not available often >> > til the wee hours. How can one kill time. >> > I try to remember that I have over forty >> > weeks a year to socialize. The tour >> > stop time with Amma is quality time >> > so I better not blow it. >> > >> > You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. >> > >> > GeorgeSon >> > >> > Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: >> > > >> > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time (still >> > need >> > > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... >> > > >> > > love, Kalika >> > > >> > > >> > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> >>wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Namah Shivaya >> > > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our >>guard >> > > down and >> > > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God >>comes >> > > in >> > > > many forms. >> > > > Prasadini >> > > > >> > > > jmcs_06 wrote: >> > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several >>years >> > > ago. >> > > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, >> > > charming, >> > > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... >> > > Later, >> > > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an >>angry >> > sex >> > > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other >>spiritual >> > > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! >> > > > > >> > > > > love, Kalika >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Mata amritanandamayi >> > > > > </gads? >> > > >> > >>t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR >> > > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------- >>--- >> > - >> > > ------- >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi >> > > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. >> > > > > >> > > > > * >> > > > > Ammachi >> > > > > <Ammachi? >> > > subject=Un> >> > > > > >> > > > > * >>Terms >> > > of >> > > > > Service <>. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------- >>--- >> > - >> > > ------- >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Namah Shivaya, I agree with your description. In the book "Amma and Me" Manoharan describes being in this state, after begging Mother for it for quite a while. It totally freaked him out. He just wasn't ready for it at the time. Jai Ma! Prasadini D wrote: > I am also interested in a reply to this. > > You may think that the only "advanced spiritual seekers" are aloof, but I > would disagree. > > Truly we are all in the delusion of maya, on some level or another, > and we > all have personal issues to work through. I would generally see an > "advanced > spiritual seeker" as someone who saw themself as one with all beings > and all > beings as one with themselves, saw God in all beings, and therefore could > see beyond such illusory differences. > - > "temba spirits" <tembaspirits > <Ammachi> > Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:18 PM > RE: Re: people at Amma's programs too > > > > AMMAs son has a question.would one of his BELOVED brothers and sisters > > please be so kind to tell him what an "ADVANCED SPIRITUAL SEEKER" > is? I AM > > LOVE YOU. > > > > > >>"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06 > >>Ammachi > >>Ammachi > >> Re: people at Amma's programs too > >>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:38 -0000 > >> > >>Thank you GeorgeSon, I enjoy and appreciate your posts. I agree, > >>advanced spiritual seekers sometimes don't attend Amma's programs as > >>often as they used to yet MANY still do, for various reasons, and > >>yes, they are often the ones there not for just "social" > >>aspects...yet it is ok too to have fun and be social at the > >>programs. > >> > >>You think you're a beginner but you, Beloved GeorgeSon, are no more > >>a beginner than the rest of us, in my opinion... > >> > >>OK, am going out-of-town for the weekend so will have to wait until > >>next week to respond back to emails. > >> > >>love you all, Kalika > >> > >>Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Kalika: > >> > > >> > You rarely see advanced spiritual > >> > seekers at Amma's programs. > >> > They probably do not need > >> > Amma as badly as fallen > >> > souls like me. > >> > > >> > I am not saying there are not > >> > a fair amount of Advanced > >> > Seekers at Her events. > >> > > >> > Perhaps they are the quieter > >> > ones in the crowd somewhat > >> > aloof and less social. > >> > > >> > I am a beginner devotee yet > >> > my intention is somewhat pure. > >> > > >> > I try to keep my eye on the Prize. > >> > Am I at the program to have fun > >> > or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? > >> > > >> > I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. > >> > eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian > >> > schmates. > >> > > >> > I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing > >> > or vairagya is possibly an > >> > art not a science. I find it > >> > extremely difficult to practice. > >> > > >> > Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer > >> > can protect me. It appears dificult > >> > to fend off socializers. E > >> > > >> > Let may say something a little controversial. > >> > Even nice wholesome socializers are a > >> > waste of time I could be praying before > >> > the divine. Time could be spent socializing > >> > with Her in heart soul communion. > >> > One of the problems is the programs are very > >> > long and darshan is not available often > >> > til the wee hours. How can one kill time. > >> > I try to remember that I have over forty > >> > weeks a year to socialize. The tour > >> > stop time with Amma is quality time > >> > so I better not blow it. > >> > > >> > You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. > >> > > >> > GeorgeSon > >> > > >> > Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time (still > >> > need > >> > > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... > >> > > > >> > > love, Kalika > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> > >>wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Namah Shivaya > >> > > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our > >>guard > >> > > down and > >> > > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God > >>comes > >> > > in > >> > > > many forms. > >> > > > Prasadini > >> > > > > >> > > > jmcs_06 wrote: > >> > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several > >>years > >> > > ago. > >> > > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, > >> > > charming, > >> > > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... > >> > > Later, > >> > > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an > >>angry > >> > sex > >> > > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other > >>spiritual > >> > > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > love, Kalika > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > >> > > > > </gads? > >> > > > >> > > >>t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR > >> > > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------- > >>--- > >> > - > >> > > ------- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > >> > > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * > >> > > > > Ammachi > >> > > > > <Ammachi? > >> > > subject=Un> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * > >>Terms > >> > > of > >> > > > > Service <>. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------- > >>--- > >> > - > >> > > ------- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's > FREE! > > http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > </gads?t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamay\ i&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYRmPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > ------ > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > * > Ammachi > <Ammachi?subject=Un> > > * Terms of > Service <>. > > > ------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 I have been reading the posts about people at Amma's programs. Surely Amma is quite social! I do respect others' when I see they are meditating in the hall. And I don't usually like to sit and talk while in the hall with Amma. I have heard Big Swami go to the microphone at programs to ask everyone to be quieter and more respectful in the presence of Amma-to treat being in Her presence as being in a temple. Perhaps this is what is being referred to since I don't recall the original post. At the same time, talking a bit is sometimes a necessity when you are doing seva or helping to coordinate activities in the hall with others. Being with everyone in the hall seems to multiply the benefits and effect of being with Amma. Of course, I wouldn't mind it if She just decided to be with only me and me alone! <grin> And I, too, have no idea what an "advanced spiritual seeker" would look like or how they would behave. I recall stories of Amma taking the devotees off the bus to stop to visit see a woman who was in the street that they all thought was insane. She did not take care of her physical body as it was quite dirty. Amma told them that she was enlightened. There was actually a specific name for her but I cannot recall what that was. Because of stories like this, I do not believe that we can readily discern the level someone's spirituality. Amma stated during one of Her talks quoted in a book: that "someone else's karma is none our business." (this was in relation to those who suffer. She continued to say that it is probably our karma to help! This idea would also seem to fit along with this. Whatever we may manifest outwardly, how can we really know anything about others when we have not yet reached the goal ourselves? In speaking for myself I know I cannot. I have been pleasantly surprised many times in life once I talked with someone and found out what was inside of them. Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits@h...> wrote: > > AMMAs son has a question.would one of his BELOVED brothers and sisters > please be so kind to tell him what an "ADVANCED SPIRITUAL SEEKER" is? I AM > LOVE YOU. > > > >"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: people at Amma's programs too > >Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:38 -0000 > > > >Thank you GeorgeSon, I enjoy and appreciate your posts. I agree, > >advanced spiritual seekers sometimes don't attend Amma's programs as > >often as they used to yet MANY still do, for various reasons, and > >yes, they are often the ones there not for just "social" > >aspects...yet it is ok too to have fun and be social at the > >programs. > > > >You think you're a beginner but you, Beloved GeorgeSon, are no more > >a beginner than the rest of us, in my opinion... > > > >OK, am going out-of-town for the weekend so will have to wait until > >next week to respond back to emails. > > > >love you all, Kalika > > > >Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Kalika: > > > > > > You rarely see advanced spiritual > > > seekers at Amma's programs. > > > They probably do not need > > > Amma as badly as fallen > > > souls like me. > > > > > > I am not saying there are not > > > a fair amount of Advanced > > > Seekers at Her events. > > > > > > Perhaps they are the quieter > > > ones in the crowd somewhat > > > aloof and less social. > > > > > > I am a beginner devotee yet > > > my intention is somewhat pure. > > > > > > I try to keep my eye on the Prize. > > > Am I at the program to have fun > > > or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? > > > > > > I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. > > > eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian > > > schmates. > > > > > > I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing > > > or vairagya is possibly an > > > art not a science. I find it > > > extremely difficult to practice. > > > > > > Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer > > > can protect me. It appears dificult > > > to fend off socializers. E > > > > > > Let may say something a little controversial. > > > Even nice wholesome socializers are a > > > waste of time I could be praying before > > > the divine. Time could be spent socializing > > > with Her in heart soul communion. > > > One of the problems is the programs are very > > > long and darshan is not available often > > > til the wee hours. How can one kill time. > > > I try to remember that I have over forty > > > weeks a year to socialize. The tour > > > stop time with Amma is quality time > > > so I better not blow it. > > > > > > You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. > > > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > > Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: > > > > > > > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time (still > > > need > > > > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... > > > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our > >guard > > > > down and > > > > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God > >comes > > > > in > > > > > many forms. > > > > > Prasadini > > > > > > > > > > jmcs_06 wrote: > > > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several > >years > > > > ago. > > > > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, > > > > charming, > > > > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... > > > > Later, > > > > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an > >angry > > > sex > > > > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other > >spiritual > > > > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > > > > > > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > </gads? > > > > > > > > >t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR > > > > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- --- > >--- > > > - > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > > > > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > <Ammachi? > > > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > > > * > >Terms > > > > of > > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- --- > >--- > > > - > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Well I feel compelled to say that I have also met people like this at programs and will only say that I have had several experiences with them which I took as direct lessons from Mother in discrimination and vairagya (detachment). The point being, that Mother attracts everyone from all walks of life and whatever their tendencies are will come to light in her presence. Personally, I trust that anything that gets played out in her presence will resolve itself in the best way for all concerned. Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe > > several years ago. > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, > > handsome, charming, > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice > > house... Later, > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was > > an angry sex > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other > > spiritual > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > Perhaps they could do background checks on everyone > who registers for the retreats and come up with a > "no-darshan list" of known sex offenders, possible > al-Qaeda sympathizers, and people with convictions of > anything more than a parking ticket. It wouldn't be > too hard to run background checks on retreat > registrants, since they've already got your credit > card info, though public programs where virtually > anyone could walk in would be a little more difficult. > But the Dept. of Homeland Security would only be too > happy to help the MA Center. > > I'm actually surprised that I haven't heard reports of > women and children being groped or fondled at Amma's > programs, given the number of people and the close > quarters. Also surprised to note that during the > November Michigan retreat, security didn't seem to be > ramped up in the wake of the attempted stabbing > earlier in 2005, let alone since 9/11. > > Keval > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 AMMA says that the correct attitude for A SPIRITUAL aspirant to have is that of a BEGGINER.each moment is a new BEGINNING.AMMA CALLS IT THE ENDLESS BEGGINING.it is when we buy into not being begginers that we become DRY AND DENSE,however when we stay innocent and take on the attitude as BEGGINERS ,we stay teachable,moist hearted and we are MUCH MORE AWARE OF HER GRACE.this is AMMAs sons experience.this child prays that we all remain AWARE OF THE DIVINE REALITY THAT WE ARE ALL ALWAYS BEGINNERS. we are all spiritual.some are more aware that is all.I AM LOVE YOU.I AM MEDITATION.I AM NO-THING.YOU ARE LOVE .AMMA IS EVERYTHING. >"D" <dises05 >Ammachi ><Ammachi> >Re: Re: people at Amma's programs too >Sun, 15 Jan 2006 03:56:28 -0600 > >I am also interested in a reply to this. > >You may think that the only "advanced spiritual seekers" are aloof, but I >would disagree. > >Truly we are all in the delusion of maya, on some level or another, and we >all have personal issues to work through. I would generally see an >"advanced >spiritual seeker" as someone who saw themself as one with all beings and >all >beings as one with themselves, saw God in all beings, and therefore could >see beyond such illusory differences. >- >"temba spirits" <tembaspirits ><Ammachi> >Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:18 PM >RE: Re: people at Amma's programs too > > > > AMMAs son has a question.would one of his BELOVED brothers and sisters > > please be so kind to tell him what an "ADVANCED SPIRITUAL SEEKER" is? I >AM > > LOVE YOU. > > > > > >>"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06 > >>Ammachi > >>Ammachi > >> Re: people at Amma's programs too > >>Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:38 -0000 > >> > >>Thank you GeorgeSon, I enjoy and appreciate your posts. I agree, > >>advanced spiritual seekers sometimes don't attend Amma's programs as > >>often as they used to yet MANY still do, for various reasons, and > >>yes, they are often the ones there not for just "social" > >>aspects...yet it is ok too to have fun and be social at the > >>programs. > >> > >>You think you're a beginner but you, Beloved GeorgeSon, are no more > >>a beginner than the rest of us, in my opinion... > >> > >>OK, am going out-of-town for the weekend so will have to wait until > >>next week to respond back to emails. > >> > >>love you all, Kalika > >> > >>Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Kalika: > >> > > >> > You rarely see advanced spiritual > >> > seekers at Amma's programs. > >> > They probably do not need > >> > Amma as badly as fallen > >> > souls like me. > >> > > >> > I am not saying there are not > >> > a fair amount of Advanced > >> > Seekers at Her events. > >> > > >> > Perhaps they are the quieter > >> > ones in the crowd somewhat > >> > aloof and less social. > >> > > >> > I am a beginner devotee yet > >> > my intention is somewhat pure. > >> > > >> > I try to keep my eye on the Prize. > >> > Am I at the program to have fun > >> > or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? > >> > > >> > I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. > >> > eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian > >> > schmates. > >> > > >> > I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing > >> > or vairagya is possibly an > >> > art not a science. I find it > >> > extremely difficult to practice. > >> > > >> > Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer > >> > can protect me. It appears dificult > >> > to fend off socializers. E > >> > > >> > Let may say something a little controversial. > >> > Even nice wholesome socializers are a > >> > waste of time I could be praying before > >> > the divine. Time could be spent socializing > >> > with Her in heart soul communion. > >> > One of the problems is the programs are very > >> > long and darshan is not available often > >> > til the wee hours. How can one kill time. > >> > I try to remember that I have over forty > >> > weeks a year to socialize. The tour > >> > stop time with Amma is quality time > >> > so I better not blow it. > >> > > >> > You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. > >> > > >> > GeorgeSon > >> > > >> > Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time (still > >> > need > >> > > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... > >> > > > >> > > love, Kalika > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> > >>wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > Namah Shivaya > >> > > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our > >>guard > >> > > down and > >> > > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God > >>comes > >> > > in > >> > > > many forms. > >> > > > Prasadini > >> > > > > >> > > > jmcs_06 wrote: > >> > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several > >>years > >> > > ago. > >> > > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, > >> > > charming, > >> > > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice house... > >> > > Later, > >> > > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an > >>angry > >> > sex > >> > > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other > >>spiritual > >> > > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > love, Kalika > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > >> > > > > </gads? > >> > > > >> > > >>t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR > >> > > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------- > >>--- > >> > - > >> > > ------- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > >> > > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * > >> > > > > Ammachi > >> > > > > <Ammachi? > >> > > subject=Un> > >> > > > > > >> > > > > * > >>Terms > >> > > of > >> > > > > Service <>. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ---------------------------- > >>--- > >> > - > >> > > ------- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 thankyou. >"Adriane" <a1driane >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: people at Amma's programs too >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:06:15 -0000 > >I have been reading the posts about people at Amma's programs. Surely >Amma is quite social! I do respect others' when I see they are >meditating in the hall. And I don't usually like to sit and talk >while in the hall with Amma. I have heard Big Swami go to >the microphone at programs to ask everyone to be quieter and more >respectful in >the presence of Amma-to treat being in Her presence as being in a >temple. Perhaps this is what is being referred to since >I don't recall the original post. > >At the same time, talking a bit is sometimes a necessity when you are >doing seva or helping to coordinate activities in the hall with >others. Being with everyone in the hall seems to multiply the >benefits and effect of being with Amma. Of course, I wouldn't mind it >if She just decided to be with only me and me alone! <grin> > >And I, too, have no idea what an "advanced spiritual seeker" would >look like or how they would behave. I recall stories of Amma taking >the devotees off the bus to stop to visit see a woman who was in the >street that they all thought was insane. She did not take care of her >physical body as it was quite dirty. Amma told them that she was >enlightened. There was actually a specific name for her but I cannot >recall what that was. Because of stories like this, I do not believe >that we can readily discern the level someone's spirituality. > >Amma stated during one of Her talks quoted in a book: that "someone >else's karma is none our business." (this was in relation to those >who suffer. She continued to say that it is probably our karma to >help! > >This idea would also seem to fit along with this. Whatever we may >manifest outwardly, how can we really know anything >about others when we have not yet reached the goal ourselves? In >speaking for myself I know I cannot. I have been pleasantly surprised >many times in life once I talked with someone and found out what was >inside of them. > > >Ammachi, "temba spirits" <tembaspirits@h...> >wrote: > > > > AMMAs son has a question.would one of his BELOVED brothers and >sisters > > please be so kind to tell him what an "ADVANCED SPIRITUAL SEEKER" >is? I AM > > LOVE YOU. > > > > > > >"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> > > >Ammachi > > >Ammachi > > > Re: people at Amma's programs too > > >Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:08:38 -0000 > > > > > >Thank you GeorgeSon, I enjoy and appreciate your posts. I agree, > > >advanced spiritual seekers sometimes don't attend Amma's programs >as > > >often as they used to yet MANY still do, for various reasons, and > > >yes, they are often the ones there not for just "social" > > >aspects...yet it is ok too to have fun and be social at the > > >programs. > > > > > >You think you're a beginner but you, Beloved GeorgeSon, are no more > > >a beginner than the rest of us, in my opinion... > > > > > >OK, am going out-of-town for the weekend so will have to wait until > > >next week to respond back to emails. > > > > > >love you all, Kalika > > > > > >Ammachi, "leokomor" <leokomor> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kalika: > > > > > > > > You rarely see advanced spiritual > > > > seekers at Amma's programs. > > > > They probably do not need > > > > Amma as badly as fallen > > > > souls like me. > > > > > > > > I am not saying there are not > > > > a fair amount of Advanced > > > > Seekers at Her events. > > > > > > > > Perhaps they are the quieter > > > > ones in the crowd somewhat > > > > aloof and less social. > > > > > > > > I am a beginner devotee yet > > > > my intention is somewhat pure. > > > > > > > > I try to keep my eye on the Prize. > > > > Am I at the program to have fun > > > > or bask in the rays of Divine Motherhood? > > > > > > > > I do not go to M.A. center to drink chai. > > > > eat curry, socialize or shop for Indian > > > > schmates. > > > > > > > > I try to practice self-distancing. Self-distancing > > > > or vairagya is possibly an > > > > art not a science. I find it > > > > extremely difficult to practice. > > > > > > > > Perhaps being in a state of perpetual prayer > > > > can protect me. It appears dificult > > > > to fend off socializers. E > > > > > > > > Let may say something a little controversial. > > > > Even nice wholesome socializers are a > > > > waste of time I could be praying before > > > > the divine. Time could be spent socializing > > > > with Her in heart soul communion. > > > > One of the problems is the programs are very > > > > long and darshan is not available often > > > > til the wee hours. How can one kill time. > > > > I try to remember that I have over forty > > > > weeks a year to socialize. The tour > > > > stop time with Amma is quality time > > > > so I better not blow it. > > > > > > > > You put it well below. DISCERN BABY DISCERN. > > > > > > > > GeorgeSon > > > > > > > > Ammachi, "jmcs_06" <jmcs_06> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A lesson in discrimination I needed to learn at the time >(still > > > > need > > > > > to be aware of)--to practice DISCERNMENT... > > > > > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ammachi, Prasadini <ganesh1008@c...> > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya > > > > > > What a bummer. When we are with Mother we tend to let our > > >guard > > > > > down and > > > > > > open up - that's kind of the point. But. as it is said, God > > >comes > > > > > in > > > > > > many forms. > > > > > > Prasadini > > > > > > > > > > > > jmcs_06 wrote: > > > > > > > I met a man at one of Amma's programs in Santa Fe several > > >years > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > He seemed very spiritually-oriented, nice, fun, handsome, > > > > > charming, > > > > > > > loving, and was financially blessed and had a nice >house... > > > > > Later, > > > > > > > after getting to know him better, I found out he was an > > >angry > > > > sex > > > > > > > addict and pedophile cruising the programs and other > > >spiritual > > > > > > > gatherings to find a "love relationship"! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love, Kalika > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > > </gads? > > > > > > > > > > > > >t=ms&k=Mata+amritanandamayi&w1=Mata+amritanandamayi&c=1&s=26&.sig=DYR > > > > > mPW4tjbUZrNprNMY6xw> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- >--- > > >--- > > > > - > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Visit your group "Ammachi > > > > > > > <Ammachi>" on the web. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > <Ammachi? > > > > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > >Terms > > > > > of > > > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- >--- > > >--- > > > > - > > > > > ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ > > Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Yes, any time there is a wide open door, which is one of the great beauties of Amma's offering, all kinds of folk will come through there. I've seen it happen in open land trusts and similar places where the intention was very positive. Max >that Mother attracts everyone from all walks of life >and whatever their tendencies are will come to light in her presence. -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 BEAUTIFUL MY BELOVED BROTHER. >Max Dashu <maxdashu >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: people at Amma's programs too >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:13:40 -0800 > >Yes, any time there is a wide open door, which is one of the great >beauties of Amma's offering, all kinds of folk will come through >there. I've seen it happen in open land trusts and similar places >where the intention was very positive. > >Max > > >that Mother attracts everyone from all walks of life > >and whatever their tendencies are will come to light in her presence. > >-- >Max Dashu >Suppressed Histories Archives >Global Women's History >http://www.suppressedhistories.net > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 MOST BEAUTIFUL. >"jmcs_06" <jmcs_06 >Ammachi >Ammachi > re: people at Amma's programs too >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:04:18 -0000 > >Thank you also. > >...homeless or not homeless, sane or insane, famous or not famous, >full of works or not so full of works...it isn't up to us to judge >who's "spiritually advanced" in the world, although we must also >practice wisdom and discernment in our dealings and relations with >others... > >Let's not see things with the "eyes of the world". > >As Christ mentioned, "be in the world but not of it" ...love, Kalika > > > >"Adriane" <a1driane > >Ammachi > >Ammachi > > Re: people at Amma's programs too > >Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:06:15 -0000 > > > >I have been reading the posts about people at Amma's programs. >Surely > >Amma is quite social! I do respect others' when I see they are > >meditating in the hall. And I don't usually like to sit and talk > >while in the hall with Amma. I have heard Big Swami go to > >the microphone at programs to ask everyone to be quieter and more > >respectful in > >the presence of Amma-to treat being in Her presence as being in a > >temple. Perhaps this is what is being referred to since > >I don't recall the original post. > > > >At the same time, talking a bit is sometimes a necessity when you >are > >doing seva or helping to coordinate activities in the hall with > >others. Being with everyone in the hall seems to multiply the > >benefits and effect of being with Amma. Of course, I wouldn't mind >it > >if She just decided to be with only me and me alone! <grin> > > > >And I, too, have no idea what an "advanced spiritual seeker" would > >look like or how they would behave. I recall stories of Amma taking > >the devotees off the bus to stop to visit see a woman who was in the > >street that they all thought was insane. She did not take care of >her > >physical body as it was quite dirty. Amma told them that she was > >enlightened. There was actually a specific name for her but I cannot > >recall what that was. Because of stories like this, I do not believe > >that we can readily discern the level someone's spirituality. > > > >Amma stated during one of Her talks quoted in a book: that "someone > >else's karma is none our business." (this was in relation to those > >who suffer. She continued to say that it is probably our karma to > >help! > > > >This idea would also seem to fit along with this. Whatever we may > >manifest outwardly, how can we really know anything > >about others when we have not yet reached the goal ourselves? In > >speaking for myself I know I cannot. I have been pleasantly >surprised > >many times in life once I talked with someone and found out what was > >inside of them. > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 >BEAUTIFUL MY BELOVED BROTHER. Sister, in this case! :>) Max -- Max Dashu Paintings of bold and spirited women http://www.maxdashu.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Oh, yes. Quite a sister at that! On Jan 16, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Max Dashu wrote: > >BEAUTIFUL MY BELOVED BROTHER. > > Sister, in this case! :>) > > Max > -- > Max Dashu > > Paintings of bold and spirited women > http://www.maxdashu.net > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Mata amritanandamayi > > > > > > â–ª Â Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > Â > â–ª Â > Â Ammachi > Â > â–ª Â Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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