Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Namah Shivaya. Thanks Temba, Bela and Prasadini for jumping into what some are calling a ³Courageous Conversation about Race.² This conversation is being had in various school districts throughout the country to eliminate the achievement gap. Our local school district The Madison Public Schools are in the 3rd year of this conversation. It is the only system in the nation to include all the employees from teachers to lunch staff to maintenance people. The first year some of the African American employees walked out of the conversation due to extreme frustration with the lack of understanding of racism by the white employees. 3 years later there is far greater understanding between the white employees and the employes of color and THE GAP IN READING ABILITY AMONG ALL 3RD GRADERS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED (by Amma¹s grace). This child believes this conversation needs to happen in communities all over this country, including this one. Good background: * Peggy McIntosh¹s groundbreaking article on White Privilege http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html * The movie Crash (the most nondualistic, Hindu feeling film this child has ever seen.) * The video ³Color of Fear² www.stirfryseminars.com/pages/coloroffear.htm * The video ³The Way Home² by Shakti Butler www.edchange.org/multicultural/reviews/f-thewayhome.html * A soon to be released video by Shakti Butler about White Privilege * The PBS series on slavery and the making of America. www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/ May Amma grace flow to all our efforts in this conversation. Jai Amma. premarupa > Namah Shivaya, > I used to attend an ashram near Oakland, CA. There were quite > a few African Americans who attended the ashram. I was not aware of racism, > but then I'm white and maybe because I was not on the receiving end I missed > it. Perhaps it also depends on where the ashram or spiritual community is. > If it is in a racially mixed area, maybe there would be more minorities > participating. And the same for predominately white areas.Just my thoughts. > Prasadini > > temba spirits wrote: >> > someone told AMMAs son on the phone today that the issue of racism amongs >> > spiritual circles is being smered over.it was interesting that as an >> african >> > american ,AMMAs son had to comfort a white american.she was very >> upset.tried >> > to give her the universal love conversation but she wasnt trying to hear >> > it.dont get me wrong, the conversation was great.just wandering if anyone >> alse >> > had a perspective on this topic..MOTHERS son has been treated a little >> > strangly while chanting in certain circles.wont say there names .that is >> not >> > important.wondering also if anyone ever wondered why there arent more >> > blackpeople and hispanic people in some of these circles.AMMAs son is >> asking >> > because he is not aftraid to be real,but also,want to get a deeper >> > understanding.figure we are all brothers and sisters and could open this >> can >> > of worms.namahashivaya. >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I have so often seen it happen that people either walk out of these conversations or leave them afterward feeling frustrated. In my experience, one of the most amazing organizations doing work in this area (mainly for women and girls, but some programs are open to men) is Be Present, Inc. The founder, Lillie, has such an incredible gift for facilitating these conversations in a way that everyone feels truly heard. I don't want to get too off-topic, since this isn't directly about Amma or the community, but I've been really blown away by some of the experiences that I've had and things that I've learned from participating in the Be Present process and just wanted to provide a link to their site for anyone who is interested in exploring these issues further for themselves: http://www.bepresent.org Premarupa, that is fantastic news about your school district! I've also had conversations with others within our satsang about how to reach out more to those from non-Indian, non-Anglo backgrounds and to let them know about Amma....but they sort of fizzled or got forgotten in the wake of more time-sensitive concerns. I think there are probably two pieces....how to let people from different backgrounds know about Amma and also how to help people feel welcome and want to participate in satsang....because I know the public programs draw a much more diverse crowd than do satsangs. So, I'd be very open to hearing anyone's thoughts or experiences on this issue. Blessings, Iswari Ammachi, Kenna <itskenna@c...> wrote: > Our local school district The Madison Public Schools are in the 3rd year of > this conversation. > It is the only system in the nation to include all the employees from > teachers to lunch staff to maintenance people. The first year some of the > African American employees walked out of the conversation due to extreme > frustration with the lack of understanding of racism by the white employees. > 3 years later there is far greater understanding between the white employees > and the employes of color > and THE GAP IN READING ABILITY AMONG ALL 3RD GRADERS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED (by > Amma¹s grace). > > This child believes this conversation needs to happen in communities all > over this country, including this one. > > Good background: > > * Peggy McIntosh¹s groundbreaking article on White Privilege > http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html > > * The movie Crash (the most nondualistic, Hindu feeling film this child has > ever seen.) > > * The video ³Color of Fear² > www.stirfryseminars.com/pages/coloroffear.htm > > * The video ³The Way Home² by Shakti Butler > www.edchange.org/multicultural/reviews/f-thewayhome.html > > * A soon to be released video by Shakti Butler about White Privilege > > * The PBS series on slavery and the making of America. > www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/ > > May Amma grace flow to all our efforts in this conversation. > Jai Amma. > premarupa > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > I used to attend an ashram near Oakland, CA. There were quite > > a few African Americans who attended the ashram. I was not aware of racism, > > but then I'm white and maybe because I was not on the receiving end I missed > > it. Perhaps it also depends on where the ashram or spiritual community is. > > If it is in a racially mixed area, maybe there would be more minorities > > participating. And the same for predominately white areas.Just my thoughts. > > Prasadini > > > > temba spirits wrote: > >> > someone told AMMAs son on the phone today that the issue of racism amongs > >> > spiritual circles is being smered over.it was interesting that as an > >> african > >> > american ,AMMAs son had to comfort a white american.she was very > >> upset.tried > >> > to give her the universal love conversation but she wasnt trying to hear > >> > it.dont get me wrong, the conversation was great.just wandering if anyone > >> alse > >> > had a perspective on this topic..MOTHERS son has been treated a little > >> > strangly while chanting in certain circles.wont say there names .that is > >> not > >> > important.wondering also if anyone ever wondered why there arent more > >> > blackpeople and hispanic people in some of these circles.AMMAs son is > >> asking > >> > because he is not aftraid to be real,but also,want to get a deeper > >> > understanding.figure we are all brothers and sisters and could open this > >> can > >> > of worms.namahashivaya. > >> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 IF YOU HAVE A T-SHIRT OF AMMA ,WEAR IT WHEREEVER YOU GO AND THAT WAY EVEN IF YOU DO NOT COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE.THEY CAN AT LEAST BEHOLD HER DIVINE SMILE ..THIS WILLMAKE A DIFFERNCE ON A SUBTE LEVEL.ALSO THERE IS NO REASON WHY YOU CANNOT AN INVITATION TO AMMAs programs and post it in the stores of these communitys that are not being reached.also you can request those introduction booklets and leave them in the stores .you can check the progress by seeing if they have been taken each week.you can also gather with other devotees and find a park in the neighborhoods that arent being reached and sing bhajans.people will be attreacted to the music.if you go into a african american communty ,you can pass out info.on how AMMA went to kenya and show pictures of that.you can also pass out info. on how SHE WAS PERSECUTED sa a young child because of HER dark skin.the GHANDI KING AWARD can be passed out.most importantly you can let them know that AMMA LOVES THEM.how you do that is through your love.they will feel your sincerity.there are many more creative ways that people can be reached ,but who is willing to do the work ?AMMA COMES TO US EACH YEAR TWICE A YEAR.WE CAN TAKE HER EXAMPLE AND COME TO THEM.namah shivaya. >"ammasiswari" <ammasiswari >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: courageous conversation about race >Mon, 05 Dec 2005 09:20:03 -0000 > >I have so often seen it happen that people either walk out of these >conversations or leave >them afterward feeling frustrated. In my experience, one of the most >amazing >organizations doing work in this area (mainly for women and girls, but some >programs are >open to men) is Be Present, Inc. The founder, Lillie, has such an >incredible gift for >facilitating these conversations in a way that everyone feels truly heard. >I don't want to get >too off-topic, since this isn't directly about Amma or the community, but >I've been really >blown away by some of the experiences that I've had and things that I've >learned from >participating in the Be Present process and just wanted to provide a link >to their site for >anyone who is interested in exploring these issues further for themselves: > >http://www.bepresent.org > >Premarupa, that is fantastic news about your school district! > >I've also had conversations with others within our satsang about how to >reach out more to >those from non-Indian, non-Anglo backgrounds and to let them know about >Amma....but >they sort of fizzled or got forgotten in the wake of more time-sensitive >concerns. I think >there are probably two pieces....how to let people from different >backgrounds know about >Amma and also how to help people feel welcome and want to participate in >satsang....because I know the public programs draw a much more diverse >crowd than do >satsangs. So, I'd be very open to hearing anyone's thoughts or experiences >on this issue. > >Blessings, >Iswari > >Ammachi, Kenna <itskenna@c...> wrote: > > > Our local school district The Madison Public Schools are in the 3rd year >of > > this conversation. > > It is the only system in the nation to include all the employees from > > teachers to lunch staff to maintenance people. The first year some of >the > > African American employees walked out of the conversation due to extreme > > frustration with the lack of understanding of racism by the white >employees. > > 3 years later there is far greater understanding between the white >employees > > and the employes of color > > and THE GAP IN READING ABILITY AMONG ALL 3RD GRADERS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED >(by > > Amma¹s grace). > > > > This child believes this conversation needs to happen in communities all > > over this country, including this one. > > > > Good background: > > > > * Peggy McIntosh¹s groundbreaking article on White Privilege > > http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html > > > > * The movie Crash (the most nondualistic, Hindu feeling film this child >has > > ever seen.) > > > > * The video ³Color of Fear² > > www.stirfryseminars.com/pages/coloroffear.htm > > > > * The video ³The Way Home² by Shakti Butler > > www.edchange.org/multicultural/reviews/f-thewayhome.html > > > > * A soon to be released video by Shakti Butler about White Privilege > > > > * The PBS series on slavery and the making of America. > > www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/ > > > > May Amma grace flow to all our efforts in this conversation. > > Jai Amma. > > premarupa > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > > I used to attend an ashram near Oakland, CA. There were quite > > > a few African Americans who attended the ashram. I was not aware of >racism, > > > but then I'm white and maybe because I was not on the receiving end I >missed > > > it. Perhaps it also depends on where the ashram or spiritual community >is. > > > If it is in a racially mixed area, maybe there would be more >minorities > > > participating. And the same for predominately white areas.Just my >thoughts. > > > Prasadini > > > > > > temba spirits wrote: > > >> > someone told AMMAs son on the phone today that the issue of racism >amongs > > >> > spiritual circles is being smered over.it was interesting that as >an > > >> african > > >> > american ,AMMAs son had to comfort a white american.she was very > > >> upset.tried > > >> > to give her the universal love conversation but she wasnt trying to >hear > > >> > it.dont get me wrong, the conversation was great.just wandering if >anyone > > >> alse > > >> > had a perspective on this topic..MOTHERS son has been treated a >little > > >> > strangly while chanting in certain circles.wont say there names >.that is > > >> not > > >> > important.wondering also if anyone ever wondered why there arent >more > > >> > blackpeople and hispanic people in some of these circles.AMMAs son >is > > >> asking > > >> > because he is not aftraid to be real,but also,want to get a deeper > > >> > understanding.figure we are all brothers and sisters and could open >this > > >> can > > >> > of worms.namahashivaya. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________ Don’t just search. 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Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 just food for thought and MOTHERS SON SAYS THIS WITH ALL LOVE.there is no minority GROUP.MOTHERS son knows what you mean ,but minority says nothing in describing the rich cultures that people have come from.think about it.when we describe white ameiricans we dont label them as the majority group.this terminoly is decieving.and on another note.between african americans,puerto rican americans etc.so-called people of color are now the majotity in america.now another point is that we are all "PEOPLE OF COLOR".THAT IS JUST THE SIMPLE TRUTH.are you not a person of color?ofcourse you are.namah shivaya. >Kenna <itskenna >Ammachi ><Ammachi> > courageous conversation about race >Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:59:00 -0600 > >Namah Shivaya. > >Thanks Temba, Bela and Prasadini for jumping into what some are calling a >³Courageous Conversation about Race.² > >This conversation is being had in various school districts throughout the >country to eliminate the achievement gap. > >Our local school district The Madison Public Schools are in the 3rd year of >this conversation. >It is the only system in the nation to include all the employees from >teachers to lunch staff to maintenance people. The first year some of the >African American employees walked out of the conversation due to extreme >frustration with the lack of understanding of racism by the white >employees. >3 years later there is far greater understanding between the white >employees >and the employes of color >and THE GAP IN READING ABILITY AMONG ALL 3RD GRADERS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED >(by >Amma¹s grace). > >This child believes this conversation needs to happen in communities all >over this country, including this one. > >Good background: > >* Peggy McIntosh¹s groundbreaking article on White Privilege >http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html > >* The movie Crash (the most nondualistic, Hindu feeling film this child >has >ever seen.) > >* The video ³Color of Fear² >www.stirfryseminars.com/pages/coloroffear.htm > >* The video ³The Way Home² by Shakti Butler >www.edchange.org/multicultural/reviews/f-thewayhome.html > >* A soon to be released video by Shakti Butler about White Privilege > >* The PBS series on slavery and the making of America. >www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/ > >May Amma grace flow to all our efforts in this conversation. >Jai Amma. >premarupa > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > I used to attend an ashram near Oakland, CA. There were quite > > a few African Americans who attended the ashram. I was not aware of >racism, > > but then I'm white and maybe because I was not on the receiving end I >missed > > it. Perhaps it also depends on where the ashram or spiritual community >is. > > If it is in a racially mixed area, maybe there would be more minorities > > participating. And the same for predominately white areas.Just my >thoughts. > > Prasadini > > > > temba spirits wrote: > >> > someone told AMMAs son on the phone today that the issue of racism >amongs > >> > spiritual circles is being smered over.it was interesting that as an > >> african > >> > american ,AMMAs son had to comfort a white american.she was very > >> upset.tried > >> > to give her the universal love conversation but she wasnt trying to >hear > >> > it.dont get me wrong, the conversation was great.just wandering if >anyone > >> alse > >> > had a perspective on this topic..MOTHERS son has been treated a >little > >> > strangly while chanting in certain circles.wont say there names .that >is > >> not > >> > important.wondering also if anyone ever wondered why there arent more > >> > blackpeople and hispanic people in some of these circles.AMMAs son is > >> asking > >> > because he is not aftraid to be real,but also,want to get a deeper > >> > understanding.figure we are all brothers and sisters and could open >this > >> can > >> > of worms.namahashivaya. > >> > > > > > > _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 actually this is not a courageous conversation about race BUT," A COURAGEOUS CONVERSATION ABOUT LOVE" >Kenna <itskenna >Ammachi ><Ammachi> > courageous conversation about race >Mon, 05 Dec 2005 01:59:00 -0600 > >Namah Shivaya. > >Thanks Temba, Bela and Prasadini for jumping into what some are calling a >³Courageous Conversation about Race.² > >This conversation is being had in various school districts throughout the >country to eliminate the achievement gap. > >Our local school district The Madison Public Schools are in the 3rd year of >this conversation. >It is the only system in the nation to include all the employees from >teachers to lunch staff to maintenance people. The first year some of the >African American employees walked out of the conversation due to extreme >frustration with the lack of understanding of racism by the white >employees. >3 years later there is far greater understanding between the white >employees >and the employes of color >and THE GAP IN READING ABILITY AMONG ALL 3RD GRADERS HAS BEEN ELIMINATED >(by >Amma¹s grace). > >This child believes this conversation needs to happen in communities all >over this country, including this one. > >Good background: > >* Peggy McIntosh¹s groundbreaking article on White Privilege >http://seamonkey.ed.asu.edu/~mcisaac/emc598ge/Unpacking.html > >* The movie Crash (the most nondualistic, Hindu feeling film this child >has >ever seen.) > >* The video ³Color of Fear² >www.stirfryseminars.com/pages/coloroffear.htm > >* The video ³The Way Home² by Shakti Butler >www.edchange.org/multicultural/reviews/f-thewayhome.html > >* A soon to be released video by Shakti Butler about White Privilege > >* The PBS series on slavery and the making of America. >www.pbs.org/wnet/slavery/ > >May Amma grace flow to all our efforts in this conversation. >Jai Amma. >premarupa > > > > > Namah Shivaya, > > I used to attend an ashram near Oakland, CA. There were quite > > a few African Americans who attended the ashram. I was not aware of >racism, > > but then I'm white and maybe because I was not on the receiving end I >missed > > it. Perhaps it also depends on where the ashram or spiritual community >is. > > If it is in a racially mixed area, maybe there would be more minorities > > participating. And the same for predominately white areas.Just my >thoughts. > > Prasadini > > > > temba spirits wrote: > >> > someone told AMMAs son on the phone today that the issue of racism >amongs > >> > spiritual circles is being smered over.it was interesting that as an > >> african > >> > american ,AMMAs son had to comfort a white american.she was very > >> upset.tried > >> > to give her the universal love conversation but she wasnt trying to >hear > >> > it.dont get me wrong, the conversation was great.just wandering if >anyone > >> alse > >> > had a perspective on this topic..MOTHERS son has been treated a >little > >> > strangly while chanting in certain circles.wont say there names .that >is > >> not > >> > important.wondering also if anyone ever wondered why there arent more > >> > blackpeople and hispanic people in some of these circles.AMMAs son is > >> asking > >> > because he is not aftraid to be real,but also,want to get a deeper > >> > understanding.figure we are all brothers and sisters and could open >this > >> can > >> > of worms.namahashivaya. > >> > > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 A couple thoughts. This is a good conversation to have, and as someone said, it is about love. > I've been coming to Amma's Michigan programs every year since that >first program in a hockey rink in Ann Arbor (1999) and I am always >surprised at how few black people I see coming for darshan -- >considering that the city of Detroit is around 75% >African American. To me, the low African-American attendance shows that much more outreach has yet to be done. And more effective outreach, with a consciousness of what it would be like, all your life, to be Other, treated as an outsider while others automatically assume that they belong. Probably all of us have that feeling in some area of our lives, but the legacy of racial oppression makes these barriers extremely tough. I believe that those of us who have not lived the experience of being dark in a racist society need to examine where we may have absorbed its contamination, and cleanse our consciousness so that we behave according to truth. Someone else wrote, >i think the "privilege" you speak of is another word for >economics. and most don't even realize the advantages they have. That is true. And yet there are issues beyond economics, as when black men get stopped, even thrown up against their car, by cops who think they must have stolen the Lexus, or assume that they don't belong in a wealthy neighborhood. Then even overcoming the economic hurdles is no protection against race bias. Same with trying to get a cab in New York; many don't want to stop for a dark-skinned person. These are patterns of behavior that cause much pain and stress. High blood pressure, higher mortality rates, so many other harsh realities. Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 THIS IS PURE UNDERSTANDING AND THE AMMA WITHIN YOU HAS SPOKEN THE ESSENCE OF WHAT ACTUALLT NEEDS TO HAPPEN.THIS AMMAS son believes is how we go deeper into who we all really are.seeing through the eyes of someone else is COMPASSION.AMMAs son bows to this DIVINE TRUTH. >Max Dashu <maxdashu >Ammachi >Ammachi >Re: Re: courageous conversation about race >Tue, 6 Dec 2005 12:32:41 -0800 > >A couple thoughts. This is a good conversation to have, and as >someone said, it is about love. > > > I've been coming to Amma's Michigan programs every year since that > >first program in a hockey rink in Ann Arbor (1999) and I am always > >surprised at how few black people I see coming for darshan -- > >considering that the city of Detroit is around 75% > >African American. > >To me, the low African-American attendance shows that much more >outreach has yet to be done. And more effective outreach, with a >consciousness of what it would be like, all your life, to be Other, >treated as an outsider while others automatically assume that they >belong. Probably all of us have that feeling in some area of our >lives, but the legacy of racial oppression makes these barriers >extremely tough. I believe that those of us who have not lived the >experience of being dark in a racist society need to examine where we >may have absorbed its contamination, and cleanse our consciousness so >that we behave according to truth. > >Someone else wrote, > > >i think the "privilege" you speak of is another word for > >economics. and most don't even realize the advantages they have. > >That is true. And yet there are issues beyond economics, as when >black men get stopped, even thrown up against their car, by cops who >think they must have stolen the Lexus, or assume that they don't >belong in a wealthy neighborhood. Then even overcoming the economic >hurdles is no protection against race bias. Same with trying to get a >cab in New York; many don't want to stop for a dark-skinned person. >These are patterns of behavior that cause much pain and stress. High >blood pressure, higher mortality rates, so many other harsh realities. > >Max >-- >Max Dashu >Suppressed Histories Archives >Global Women's History >http://www.suppressedhistories.net > > > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 >using the logic of these studies, we could say that Amma is >rascist.....because statistically speaking, >very few black americans go to Amma's satsangs... It does not say anything about Amma. She has never committed that type of action. >Similarly, because income levels are lower for blacks than >asians or whites is not a sign of racism, but is a sign of different >cultural, social and educational standards It's not just about standards, but about history, experience, and yes, discrimination. The disfunctions you refer to can not be understood without reference to these. Just look at what happened in New Orleans: people attempting to flee stricken areas driven back at gunpoint, even though they were non-violent, and forced into a stadium where there was not enough food, water, and no sanitation. False accusations of murder in the stadium were spread by the press. People were perceived as criminals because they were black, and many poor people were allowed to die, with troops turning back Cajuns who came in their boats to give aid and rescue people trapped on their roofs. Regular people did show compassion, it was the authorities who failed in this respect. I just heard testimony on the radio of Katrina survivors describing mistreatment and racial slurs by police. Can you blame people for feeling that they were treated unjustly? Attempts toward understanding seem necessary for a "dharmic attitude." I don't want to argue about this, and this is my last post on this subject, but will just say that I think changing these harmful attitudes and behavior has everything to do with the spiritual path. As Amma says, Let your hearts be melting with compassion... Whatever their culture or education, every human being has value, though many have been shamed and made to feel lesser. True, often people get angry and behave out of bitterness, but many others are remarkably free of rancor considering what they have been through. Om Amritesvaryai Namaha, Max -- Max Dashu Suppressed Histories Archives Global Women's History http://www.suppressedhistories.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 the words,race,racist and racism have really been given so much POWER.in order to say something isnt ,you are without realizing it ,affirming that it is.there are people in this world that are still caught up on the soul sickness of racism.there are still people that hate people because of their so-called race.it is okay to accept this.WE STILL MUST LOVE THEM REGARDLESS.THAT IS AMMAs teaching.AMMA doesnt tell us to not be AWARE.when MOTHER got the GHANDI KING AWARD SHE ADRESSED THE MALE OPPRESSION OF WOMAN IN SOCIETY IN A VERY SPIRITUAL YET BOLD WAY.SHE DISCUSSED IT IN DETAIL.YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT THE DVD.you all keep saying that there is no racism in AMERICA and you are intitled to your perspective .there is no need for AMMAS son to get angry at you because,he knows there still is.WHATEVER THE PROBLEM MAY BE.THE SOLUTION IS AMMAs LOVE.WHATEVER OUR DISAGREEMENTS ARE .THE SOLUTION IS AMMAS LOVE.YOUR OPINION WILL NOT STOP AMMAS son from loving you.AMMA SAYS THAT WHEN SOMEONE ANGERS YOU TO SEE IT AS HER.SHE SAYS THAT IF YOU CANNOT SEE IT LIKE THAT, THEN TO SEE THEM AS SPIRITUALLY SICK.YOU WOULD NOT GET ANGRY AT AMMA,OR SOMEONE WHO IS SICK.WOULD YOU? namah shivaya >Max Dashu <maxdashu >Ammachi >Ammachi > Re: courageous conversation about race >Sat, 10 Dec 2005 10:24:32 -0800 > > >using the logic of these studies, we could say that Amma is > >rascist.....because statistically speaking, > >very few black americans go to Amma's satsangs... > >It does not say anything about Amma. She has never committed that >type of action. > > >Similarly, because income levels are lower for blacks than > >asians or whites is not a sign of racism, but is a sign of different > >cultural, social and educational standards > >It's not just about standards, but about history, experience, and >yes, discrimination. The disfunctions you refer to can not be >understood without reference to these. Just look at what happened in >New Orleans: people attempting to flee stricken areas driven back at >gunpoint, even though they were non-violent, and forced into a >stadium where there was not enough food, water, and no sanitation. >False accusations of murder in the stadium were spread by the press. >People were perceived as criminals because they were black, and many >poor people were allowed to die, with troops turning back Cajuns who >came in their boats to give aid and rescue people trapped on their >roofs. Regular people did show compassion, it was the authorities who >failed in this respect. I just heard testimony on the radio of >Katrina survivors describing mistreatment and racial slurs by police. >Can you blame people for feeling that they were treated unjustly? > >Attempts toward understanding seem necessary for a "dharmic attitude." > >I don't want to argue about this, and this is my last post on this >subject, but will just say that I think changing these harmful >attitudes and behavior has everything to do with the spiritual path. >As Amma says, Let your hearts be melting with compassion... > >Whatever their culture or education, every human being has value, >though many have been shamed and made to feel lesser. True, often >people get angry and behave out of bitterness, but many others are >remarkably free of rancor considering what they have been through. > >Om Amritesvaryai Namaha, >Max > >-- >Max Dashu >Suppressed Histories Archives >Global Women's History >http://www.suppressedhistories.net > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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