To Linda about my concern about tokens and being able to see Amma

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nierika wrote:

>

> Aikya wrote:

>

> Amma tells the token folks how many tokens to distribute before the

> program starts. It is always more than 700. She will say to give out

> 1300 or 2000. Then, if there is still a big line after all those are

> distributed, they will ask her permission to give out more. In

> previous years, "more" meant more numbered tokens. The exchange token

> is relatively new. It's purpose is both to ensure that new people and

> those who have not had darshan yet will get it and also (my opinion

> only on this) to encourage people to stay in her presence.

>

>

>

> Dear Aikya and those others who wrote about the tokens. Hearing all these

> stories about the tokens, and having to have a token to get a token,

> and that

> perhaps Mother does this, in part, to keep people from leaving the

> hall really

> alarms me. It makes me feel I will not be able to see Amma again, and

> that

> makes me very sad. I saw Her every year for 6 or 7 years, until I

> moved from DC

> to Oregon. Then the trip became too difficult. But even the last time

> I saw

> Her, I was ill, and I had to leave the Hall right before Devi Bhava

> and take

> a nap, else I would have simply collapsed. In fact, it was "hearing"

> Mother

> call me to come so I wouldn't miss Devi Bhava, and "hearing" the Amma

> Amma

> Taye being sung that woke me up. My dorm room was not anywhere near

> the hall so

> I was "hearing" via my inner ears.

>

> But always before, I have sat in a chair on the side, and have not had to

> sit too long, before I was taken up to see Mother. Then I would come

> and go as

> my energy and symptoms allowed, being particular mindful of the things I

> wanted to experience like the puja where everyone's light is lit from

> a light that

> Amma has, and where they say "Om para shatiyai namaha." I would try to

> get

> to some of the satsang talks and some of the bhajans, but every year

> as my

> health got worse, the amount of time I could spend in the hall was

> less and less.

> Maybe I am worrying too much over nothing, but all these changes make it

> seem like it will be very difficult for me. Maybe others who are ill

> who have

> seen Amma under these circumstances can write and share how they

> handle this new

> structure and how they are handled by the lap people.

>

> At Mother's Feet ~ Linda

>

Dear Linda,

I can't speak for the Devi Bhava, because I haven't been able to go to

one in years. I certainly in my whole life, even when I was very

healthy, have not been able to stay up all night. So I don't know how

most people manage to stay in the hall all night.

As for the programs and getting a token to get a token, they told us to

come back at a particular time, which was several hours hence. So you

would have time to go to your room to rest and then go back and check on

your token. As much as Mother wants us to spend as much time as we can

with Her, I don't think She wants us to make ourselves sicker. Another

option is to see if you can have someone check on things on your behalf.

I have seen some of the very sick people be taken care of by others, but

those are the people with the visible disabilities. You never know who

is disabled and who is not. The token people can only give tokens to

each individual. They won't let my husband get one for me, for example,

because they don't want to give out tokens that aren't then used.

I have not tried to make arrangements before attending a program, but

you might try to see if you can get in touch with someone at the Sante

Fe ashram and speak with whoever is in charge of the hall, or whoever is

in charge of special needs, so you can give them a heads up, and so you

know more about what to expect.

The situation is difficult, but it is doable if you stay in the same

hotel.. Also, I have never been able to fully participate in Mother's

programs, so I don't know what I am missing! I pay to go to a retreat,

and then attend maybe a third of it, but I get a lot out of it.

Hugs,

Prasadini .

 

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in all love and respect to everyones perspective.this child of MOTHER didnt

see AMMA in the body for five years and this time i only got one hug.i am so

greatful for that.my heart is sadened only for those who ARE IN DARKNESS and

dont even know that THEIR MOTHER IS HERE WITH THEM ON THIS EARTH.the new

person is the most important.i learned that in CHRISTIANITY AND AA.WE SHOULD

BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THIS WITH AN OPEN HEART.WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN SO MUCH.THERE

ARE DEVOTEES WHO ARE INCARSARATED THAT WILL NEVER RECIEVE MOTHERS PHYSICAL

HUG.LETS JUST ALL BE SO GREATFUL FOR WHAT SHE HAS GIVEN US ALL AND WILL

CONTINUE TO GIVE US.HER LOVE .AMMAS LOVE FOR US CONTINUES, REGARDLESS OF OUR

PERSPECTIVES.AS SHE SAID AT THE PROGRAM,WE BECOME SELFISH WHEN WE KEEP

SAYING MY,MY, MY,MY MOTHER.MY EXPERIENCE.MY DARSHAN TICKET ETC.ITS NOT ABOUT

THAT.LETS THINK MORE About the suffering.the ones who dont know what a

darshan token is.namah shivaya.

 

 

>Prasadini <ganesh1008

>Ammachi

>Ammachi

>Re: Re: To Linda about my concern about tokens and being

>able to see Amma

>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:04:32 -0800

>

>nierika wrote:

> >

> > Aikya wrote:

> >

> > Amma tells the token folks how many tokens to distribute before the

> > program starts. It is always more than 700. She will say to give out

> > 1300 or 2000. Then, if there is still a big line after all those are

> > distributed, they will ask her permission to give out more. In

> > previous years, "more" meant more numbered tokens. The exchange token

> > is relatively new. It's purpose is both to ensure that new people and

> > those who have not had darshan yet will get it and also (my opinion

> > only on this) to encourage people to stay in her presence.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Aikya and those others who wrote about the tokens. Hearing all

>these

> > stories about the tokens, and having to have a token to get a token,

> > and that

> > perhaps Mother does this, in part, to keep people from leaving the

> > hall really

> > alarms me. It makes me feel I will not be able to see Amma again, and

> > that

> > makes me very sad. I saw Her every year for 6 or 7 years, until I

> > moved from DC

> > to Oregon. Then the trip became too difficult. But even the last time

> > I saw

> > Her, I was ill, and I had to leave the Hall right before Devi Bhava

> > and take

> > a nap, else I would have simply collapsed. In fact, it was "hearing"

> > Mother

> > call me to come so I wouldn't miss Devi Bhava, and "hearing" the Amma

> > Amma

> > Taye being sung that woke me up. My dorm room was not anywhere near

> > the hall so

> > I was "hearing" via my inner ears.

> >

> > But always before, I have sat in a chair on the side, and have not had

>to

> > sit too long, before I was taken up to see Mother. Then I would come

> > and go as

> > my energy and symptoms allowed, being particular mindful of the things I

> > wanted to experience like the puja where everyone's light is lit from

> > a light that

> > Amma has, and where they say "Om para shatiyai namaha." I would try to

> > get

> > to some of the satsang talks and some of the bhajans, but every year

> > as my

> > health got worse, the amount of time I could spend in the hall was

> > less and less.

> > Maybe I am worrying too much over nothing, but all these changes make it

> > seem like it will be very difficult for me. Maybe others who are ill

> > who have

> > seen Amma under these circumstances can write and share how they

> > handle this new

> > structure and how they are handled by the lap people.

> >

> > At Mother's Feet ~ Linda

> >

>Dear Linda,

>I can't speak for the Devi Bhava, because I haven't been able to go to

>one in years. I certainly in my whole life, even when I was very

>healthy, have not been able to stay up all night. So I don't know how

>most people manage to stay in the hall all night.

>As for the programs and getting a token to get a token, they told us to

>come back at a particular time, which was several hours hence. So you

>would have time to go to your room to rest and then go back and check on

>your token. As much as Mother wants us to spend as much time as we can

>with Her, I don't think She wants us to make ourselves sicker. Another

>option is to see if you can have someone check on things on your behalf.

>I have seen some of the very sick people be taken care of by others, but

>those are the people with the visible disabilities. You never know who

>is disabled and who is not. The token people can only give tokens to

>each individual. They won't let my husband get one for me, for example,

>because they don't want to give out tokens that aren't then used.

>I have not tried to make arrangements before attending a program, but

>you might try to see if you can get in touch with someone at the Sante

>Fe ashram and speak with whoever is in charge of the hall, or whoever is

>in charge of special needs, so you can give them a heads up, and so you

>know more about what to expect.

>The situation is difficult, but it is doable if you stay in the same

>hotel.. Also, I have never been able to fully participate in Mother's

>programs, so I don't know what I am missing! I pay to go to a retreat,

>and then attend maybe a third of it, but I get a lot out of it.

>Hugs,

>Prasadini .

>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

> >

> >

> > ------

> >

> >

> > * Visit your group "Ammachi

> > <Ammachi>" on the web.

> > *

> > Ammachi

> > <Ammachi?subject=Un>

> > * Terms of

> > Service <>.

> >

> >

> > ------

> >

>

 

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Though this may change in the future as more people

come to Amma, currently you can still pretty much

guarantee yourself a proper token if you arrive prior

to the start of the program. Even on the last crazy

Saturday night at San Ramon, my token number was

201-300, and I did not arrive until about an hour

before Amma.

 

If you are unable to stand in line for a token before

the program, you might find where you would have been

in line based on when you arrived, clear it with the

people at that spot, and only join them when the line

begins to move. Or perhaps they could get the token

for you. This year I saw that a number of people were

able to get tokens for other people in their group who

were not in line. I can't say if that was the norm,

but it did happen a number of times.

 

The special needs chairs are still there and available

for the people who need them. I have CFS and some FM

symptoms, and though most days I can get by without

the chairs, there are those days when I cannot. So

far I have never been turned away from sitting there.

I have also always been able to go up for darshan

early if I needed to (for health reasons), via the

special needs section.

 

You're still safe, Linda!

 

Love,

Romi

 

 

 

--- nierika wrote:

 

 

>

> Dear Aikya and those others who wrote about the

> tokens. Hearing all these

> stories about the tokens, and having to have a token

> to get a token, and that

> perhaps Mother does this, in part, to keep people

> from leaving the hall really

> alarms me. It makes me feel I will not be able to

> see Amma again, and that

> makes me very sad. I saw Her every year for 6 or 7

> years, until I moved from DC

> to Oregon. Then the trip became too difficult. But

> even the last time I saw

> Her, I was ill, and I had to leave the Hall right

> before Devi Bhava and take

> a nap, else I would have simply collapsed. In fact,

> it was "hearing" Mother

> call me to come so I wouldn't miss Devi Bhava, and

> "hearing" the Amma Amma

> Taye being sung that woke me up. My dorm room was

> not anywhere near the hall so

> I was "hearing" via my inner ears.

>

> But always before, I have sat in a chair on the

> side, and have not had to

> sit too long, before I was taken up to see Mother.

> Then I would come and go as

> my energy and symptoms allowed, being particular

> mindful of the things I

> wanted to experience like the puja where everyone's

> light is lit from a light that

> Amma has, and where they say "Om para shatiyai

> namaha." I would try to get

> to some of the satsang talks and some of the

> bhajans, but every year as my

> health got worse, the amount of time I could spend

> in the hall was less and less.

> Maybe I am worrying too much over nothing, but all

> these changes make it

> seem like it will be very difficult for me. Maybe

> others who are ill who have

> seen Amma under these circumstances can write and

> share how they handle this new

> structure and how they are handled by the lap

> people.

>

> At Mother's Feet ~ Linda

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

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