Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 In case you didn't read before a smaple of some of Avram's posts follows. Maybe Avram thinks this is hard hitting stuff, but having grown up in a culture of scientific materialism, it is just a boring rehash. If y'all are interested in this stuff, by all means encourage Avram. I'm sure you will get a steady diet of it: " The guru model works its spell on an immature mind not a seasoned one" " we live in a truly CON-fused time, where rationality flirts with silliness and sincere devotion with gross gullibility. The Guru is DEAD. And, to echo Nietzsche, we have killed him. " " The guru is a poser and, as along as we make pretenses about who and what we are, we will hide behind these projected "masks," these guises in which we cloak our weaknesses and our fears. The guru is dead and we killed him. " But fear not, we will invent another guru in his absence, just as Voltaire warned that man would invent religion even if none existed." " Lonely creatures looking for a way out, for a meaning, for a purpose, for a father.... And the guru is merely us projecting all that we wish and desire upon another. God forbid we do cast such projetiles upon our own being. We couldn't withstand the intensity; we couldn't withstand the responsibility. " " The killer of the guru kills his idealized self and along with it any hopes of a dreamy paradise. There is only one solution to all of this yin and yang dread, but the honest guru (oxymoron alert) is rare. How many gurus would commit the image suicide that is necessary to liberate the disciple from his "idea fixe"?" " The guru image is suicide, a cutting off of one's own integrity, one's own power, one's own responsiblity. " " We are both the disciple and the guru and until we stop distinguishing the two we will languish in the half-way house for the devotionally mad. " > from a post by Dave Lane, > re-posted here: Avram, of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 Please stop singling out Avram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 --- Rachel Barrett Gallop <hipstorian wrote: > Please stop singling out Avram. > > Agreed.... if you really have a bone to pick with Avram, and you feel you can't reply without ad hominem flaming, do it off-list. Or just click 'delete' and don't waste your bandwidth on his postings. I believe Avram is going to from this group anyway. Keval ____ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store./redcross-donate3/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 on 9/5/05 8:35 PM, Mike Brooker at patria1818 wrote: > > --- Rachel Barrett Gallop <hipstorian > wrote: > >> Please stop singling out Avram. >> >> > Agreed.... if you really have a bone to pick with > Avram, and you feel you can't reply without ad hominem > flaming, do it off-list. Or just click 'delete' and > don't waste your bandwidth on his postings. I believe > Avram is going to from this group anyway. If he does, I hope he doesn't from the Amma Free Speech Zone. I met him in Boston last summer and I think he's a sincere, earnest seeker who deserves to be able to air his doubts and have them addressed intelligently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 I agree. Jyotsna Rick Archer <rick wrote: If he does, I hope he doesn't from the Amma Free Speech Zone. I met him in Boston last summer and I think he's a sincere, earnest seeker who deserves to be able to air his doubts and have them addressed intelligently. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 I agree too - i havent met avram , but i think this is a forum where sincere questions should be appreciated and , if possible, answered .and I think Avram is just asking honest questions. bala "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 wrote: I agree. Jyotsna Rick Archer <rick wrote: If he does, I hope he doesn't from the Amma Free Speech Zone. I met him in Boston last summer and I think he's a sincere, earnest seeker who deserves to be able to air his doubts and have them addressed intelligently. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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