Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 I simply cannot believe that the US gov't is not responding faster and more agressive. I've never felt more personally motivated to DO SOMETHING after a tragedy (the tsunami was so far out of my reach, but I did manage a collection at my place of work). I want to DRIVE down there and help people, if even by simply giving them a hug to let them know someone cares. This child has been praying and praying, and has never been more ashamed of her government... With tears and a broken heart, Erica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Dearest Sister Erica, I couldn't agree with you more. You have said it all In Amma's Love Prasadini Erica wrote: >I simply cannot believe that the US gov't is not responding faster and >more agressive. > >I've never felt more personally motivated to DO SOMETHING after a >tragedy (the tsunami was so far out of my reach, but I did manage a >collection at my place of work). I want to DRIVE down there and help >people, if even by simply giving them a hug to let them know someone >cares. > >This child has been praying and praying, and has never been more >ashamed of her government... > >With tears and a broken heart, >Erica > > > > > >Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 > > This child has been praying and praying, and has > never been more > ashamed of her government... > As a dual national (I have both Canadian and U.S. passports), I am also ashamed of the one of my goverments and that bumbling clown who calls himself President. I've been disgusted with him since he allegedly "won" the 2000 election, but this past week was really over the top. Not only did the federal government drop the ball, they fumbled the snap from center. If the House and Senate had any guts they would vote to impeach Bush for malfeasance in office. We're not talking about blow jobs and cigar dildoes, folks. This is about human lives - thousands of them - being sacrificed at home while the soldiers, sailors, Marines and National Guardsmen (sorry, "national guardspeople" is too PC, and most of them are men anyway) who should be helping their fellow citizens are fighting a virtually unwinnable war in a country that has never harmed the U.S., never had WMD's, and had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. (OTOH, maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea to impeach Bush...who wants to see Mr. Halliburton become Preisdent Cheney.) I would bet my last loonie (Canadian $1 coin) that if Houston or some other city in Gee Dubya's home state had been hit as hard as New Orleans, you would have seen some serious relief efforts, perhaps thousands of the troops in Iraq flown home by now. But New Orleans can stew in its own sewage...after all they're mostly poor, Democrat-voting blacks down there. And the Bible-toting Christian conservatives hate that city anyway...such a den of iniquity, with its satanic jazz music and bars open 24-7, that deserves to burn in hell. getting off my soapbox.. Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Namah Shivayah, Keval, Do you feel better when people criticize you? Is that when you do your best work? To whom really do your harsh words come back? I thought on this board that people understand that all are but one. Did not Jesus say 2,000 years ago to love your "enemies"? Should we all not be praying for the president rather than lambasting him? What good does negativity do? I read this board for spiritual upliftment, not for political tirades. I realize you are the "not-very- moderate-moderator" (ha, ha), but I ask you to restrain yourself from this negativity on the list. As ever, Jyotsna > As a dual national (I have both Canadian and U.S. passports), I am also ashamed of the one of my goverments and that bumbling clown who calls himself President. I've been disgusted with him since he allegedly "won" the 2000 election, but this past week was really over the top. Not only did the federal government drop the ball, they fumbled the snap from center. If the House and Senate had any guts they would vote to impeach Bush for malfeasance in office. We're not talking about blow jobs and cigar dildoes, folks. This is about human lives - thousands of them - being sacrificed at home while the soldiers, sailors, Marines and National Guardsmen (sorry, "national guardspeople" is too PC, and most of them are men anyway) who should be helping their fellow citizens are fighting a virtually unwinnable war in a country that has never harmed the U.S., never had WMD's, and had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. (OTOH, maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea to impeach Bush...who wants to see Mr. Halliburton become Preisdent Cheney.) I would bet my last loonie (Canadian $1 coin) that if Houston or some other city in Gee Dubya's home state had been hit as hard as New Orleans, you would have seen some serious relief efforts, perhaps thousands of the troops in Iraq flown home by now. But New Orleans can stew in its own sewage...after all they're mostly poor, Democrat-voting blacks down there. And the Bible-toting Christian conservatives hate that city anyway...such a den of iniquity, with its satanic jazz music and bars open 24-7, that deserves to burn in hell. getting off my soapbox.. Keval Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs Mata amritanandamayi Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 I think you can love your enemy and be extremely dissappointed with their behavior. Perhaps one could maintain an open heart and also loathe someone's behavior. Our nature is love. But this love is not simply a feeling. A feeling is separate; it can be experienced, observed. A feeling is not intimate. Our own Self is Love because it is absolute stillness. It is absolute intimacy because it is not separate. It is what is experiencing. Condoning someone's behavior when they have clearly done wrong time and time again in the name of spiritual love is not Love. It simply continues to engender the suffering of others. I am also not condoning Keval's angry post, but i think there is danger in believing that Love means allowing someone to perpetrate the most heinous breaches of justice, civility, and universal responsibility over and over again. Even Jesus angrily threw the moneychangers from the temple when it offended his sense of spiritual propriety. Dave --- "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 wrote: > > > Namah Shivayah, Keval, > > Do you feel better when people criticize you? Is > that > when you do your best work? To whom really do your > harsh > words come back? I thought on this board that > people > understand that all are but one. Did not Jesus say > 2,000 > years ago to love your "enemies"? Should we all not > be > praying for the president rather than lambasting > him? > What good does negativity do? > > I read this board for spiritual upliftment, not for > political tirades. I realize you are the "not-very- > moderate-moderator" (ha, ha), but I ask you to > restrain > yourself from this negativity on the list. > > As ever, > Jyotsna > > > > > As a dual national (I have both Canadian and U.S. > passports), I am also ashamed of the one of my > goverments and that bumbling clown who calls himself > President. I've been disgusted with him since he > allegedly "won" the 2000 election, but this past > week > was really over the top. Not only did the federal > government drop the ball, they fumbled the snap from > center. If the House and Senate had any guts they > would vote to impeach Bush for malfeasance in > office. > We're not talking about blow jobs and cigar dildoes, > folks. This is about human lives - thousands of > them > - being sacrificed at home while the soldiers, > sailors, Marines and National Guardsmen (sorry, > "national guardspeople" is too PC, and most of them > are men anyway) who should be helping their fellow > citizens are fighting a virtually unwinnable war in > a > country that has never harmed the U.S., never had > WMD's, and had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. > > (OTOH, maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea to > impeach Bush...who wants to see Mr. Halliburton > become > Preisdent Cheney.) > > I would bet my last loonie (Canadian $1 coin) that > if > Houston or some other city in Gee Dubya's home state > had been hit as hard as New Orleans, you would have > seen some serious relief efforts, perhaps thousands > of > the troops in Iraq flown home by now. But New > Orleans > can stew in its own sewage...after all they're > mostly > poor, Democrat-voting blacks down there. And the > Bible-toting Christian conservatives hate that city > anyway...such a den of iniquity, with its satanic > jazz > music and bars open 24-7, that deserves to burn in > hell. > > getting off my soapbox.. > > Keval > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs Mata > amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > To from this group, send an email > to: > Ammachi > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Thank you, Dave. I also would mention the all-consuming greed of this administration as a specific aspect of the lack of justice. Amma mentions poverty as the main problem of our world. Greed is the main cause for poverty. May we all pray for progress in the direction of justice and peace in our world. Pahari Maa On Sep 3, 2005, at 9:01 AM, David Cosentino wrote: > Condoning someone's behavior > when they have clearly done wrong time and time again > in the name of spiritual love is not Love. It simply > continues to engender the suffering of others. > i think there is danger in believing that Love means allowing > someone to perpetrate the most heinous breaches of > justice, civility, and universal responsibility over > and over again. Even Jesus angrily threw the > moneychangers from the temple when it offended his > sense of spiritual propriety. > > Dave > > --- "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 wrote: > > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, Keval, > > > > Do you feel better when people criticize you? Is > > that > > when you do your best work? To whom really do your > > harsh > > words come back? I thought on this board that > > people > > understand that all are but one. Did not Jesus say > > 2,000 > > years ago to love your "enemies"? Should we all not > > be > > praying for the president rather than lambasting > > him? > > What good does negativity do? > > > > I read this board for spiritual upliftment, not for > > political tirades. I realize you are the "not-very- > > moderate-moderator" (ha, ha), but I ask you to > > restrain > > yourself from this negativity on the list. > > > > As ever, > > Jyotsna > > > > > > > > > As a dual national (I have both Canadian and U.S. > > passports), I am also ashamed of the one of my > > goverments and that bumbling clown who calls himself > > President. I've been disgusted with him since he > > allegedly "won" the 2000 election, but this past > > week > > was really over the top. Not only did the federal > > government drop the ball, they fumbled the snap from > > center. If the House and Senate had any guts they > > would vote to impeach Bush for malfeasance in > > office. > > We're not talking about blow jobs and cigar dildoes, > > folks. This is about human lives - thousands of > > them > > - being sacrificed at home while the soldiers, > > sailors, Marines and National Guardsmen (sorry, > > "national guardspeople" is too PC, and most of them > > are men anyway) who should be helping their fellow > > citizens are fighting a virtually unwinnable war in > > a > > country that has never harmed the U.S., never had > > WMD's, and had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. > > > > (OTOH, maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea to > > impeach Bush...who wants to see Mr. Halliburton > > become > > Preisdent Cheney.) > > > > I would bet my last loonie (Canadian $1 coin) that > > if > > Houston or some other city in Gee Dubya's home state > > had been hit as hard as New Orleans, you would have > > seen some serious relief efforts, perhaps thousands > > of > > the troops in Iraq flown home by now. But New > > Orleans > > can stew in its own sewage...after all they're > > mostly > > poor, Democrat-voting blacks down there. And the > > Bible-toting Christian conservatives hate that city > > anyway...such a den of iniquity, with its satanic > > jazz > > music and bars open 24-7, that deserves to burn in > > hell. > > > > getting off my soapbox.. > > > > Keval > > > > > >            > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs Mata > > amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > >  > >    To from this group, send an email > > to: > > Ammachi > >  > >    Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Thank You Dave that is very true being spiritual does not mean one has to tolerate injustice , there are certain laws of democracy that all people are entitled to Ammachi represents that perfectly . Just because Keval expressed his feelings on this forum certainly does not denote his spirituality. Fact is a Fact ! Dear Brothers and Sistters let all beings be in Loka Samasta Sukinu Bhavantur . regards, Namaste Joanna Pollner --- Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote: > Thank you, Dave. I also would mention the > all-consuming greed of this > administration as a specific aspect of the lack of > justice. Amma > mentions poverty as the main problem of our world. > Greed is the main > cause for poverty. May we all pray for progress in > the direction of > justice and peace in our world. > > Pahari Maa > > > On Sep 3, 2005, at 9:01 AM, David Cosentino wrote: > > > Condoning someone's behavior > > when they have clearly done wrong time and time > again > > in the name of spiritual love is not Love. It > simply > > continues to engender the suffering of others. > > i think there is danger in believing that Love > means allowing > > someone to perpetrate the most heinous breaches > of > > justice, civility, and universal responsibility > over > > and over again. Even Jesus angrily threw the > > moneychangers from the temple when it offended > his > > sense of spiritual propriety. > > > > Dave > > > > --- "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Namah Shivayah, Keval, > > > > > > Do you feel better when people criticize you? > Is > > > that > > > when you do your best work? To whom really do > your > > > harsh > > > words come back? I thought on this board that > > > people > > > understand that all are but one. Did not > Jesus say > > > 2,000 > > > years ago to love your "enemies"? Should we > all not > > > be > > > praying for the president rather than > lambasting > > > him? > > > What good does negativity do? > > > > > > I read this board for spiritual upliftment, not > for > > > political tirades. I realize you are the > "not-very- > > > moderate-moderator" (ha, ha), but I ask you to > > > restrain > > > yourself from this negativity on the list. > > > > > > As ever, > > > Jyotsna > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a dual national (I have both Canadian and > U.S. > > > passports), I am also ashamed of the one of my > > > goverments and that bumbling clown who calls > himself > > > President. I've been disgusted with him since > he > > > allegedly "won" the 2000 election, but this > past > > > week > > > was really over the top. Not only did the > federal > > > government drop the ball, they fumbled the snap > from > > > center. If the House and Senate had any guts > they > > > would vote to impeach Bush for malfeasance in > > > office. > > > We're not talking about blow jobs and cigar > dildoes, > > > folks. This is about human lives - thousands > of > > > them > > > - being sacrificed at home while the soldiers, > > > sailors, Marines and National Guardsmen (sorry, > > > "national guardspeople" is too PC, and most of > them > > > are men anyway) who should be helping their > fellow > > > citizens are fighting a virtually unwinnable > war in > > > a > > > country that has never harmed the U.S., never > had > > > WMD's, and had nothing whatsoever to do with > 9/11. > > > > > > (OTOH, maybe it wouldn't be such a good idea to > > > impeach Bush...who wants to see Mr. Halliburton > > > become > > > Preisdent Cheney.) > > > > > > I would bet my last loonie (Canadian $1 coin) > that > > > if > > > Houston or some other city in Gee Dubya's home > state > > > had been hit as hard as New Orleans, you would > have > > > seen some serious relief efforts, perhaps > thousands > > > of > > > the troops in Iraq flown home by now. But New > > > Orleans > > > can stew in its own sewage...after all they're > > > mostly > > > poor, Democrat-voting blacks down there. And > the > > > Bible-toting Christian conservatives hate that > city > > > anyway...such a den of iniquity, with its > satanic > > > jazz > > > music and bars open 24-7, that deserves to burn > in > > > hell. > > > > > > getting off my soapbox.. > > > > > > Keval > > > > > > > > >            > > > > > > > > > Mail - Helps protect you from nasty > viruses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hinduism religion Different religions beliefs > Mata > > > amritanandamayi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >    Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > >  > > >    To from this group, send an > email > > > to: > > > Ammachi > > >  > > >    Your use of is subject to > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > === message truncated === __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Yes, I think so, too. This is an error many spiritual folks make. On Sep 3, 2005, at 9:01 AM, David Cosentino wrote: >Condoning someone's behavior > when they have clearly done wrong time and time again > in the name of spiritual love is not Love. It simply > continues to engender the suffering of others. > i think there is danger in believing that Love means allowing > someone to perpetrate the most heinous breaches of > justice, civility, and universal responsibility over > and over again. Even Jesus angrily threw the > moneychangers from the temple when it offended his > sense of spiritual propriety. > > Dave > -- "Naan Amme Snehikkunnu" Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net At the feast of ego, everyone leaves hungry. --Bentley's House of Coffee and Tea, Tucson, AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 I also agree with this statement. It is an error. People in elected office should be called on their dishonesty and lack of responsibility. On Sep 4, 2005, at 4:02 AM, Devi's Daughter wrote: > Yes, I think so, too. This is an error many spiritual folks make. > > On Sep 3, 2005, at 9:01 AM, David Cosentino wrote: > > >Condoning someone's behavior > > when they have clearly done wrong time and time again > > in the name of spiritual love is not Love. It simply > > continues to engender the suffering of others. > > i think there is danger in believing that Love means allowing > > someone to perpetrate the most heinous breaches of > > justice, civility, and universal responsibility over > > and over again. Even Jesus angrily threw the > > moneychangers from the temple when it offended his > > sense of spiritual propriety. > > > > Dave > > > > -- > "Naan Amme Snehikkunnu"  > > Be Love, > Egyirba (Berijoy) > http://www.egyirba.net > > At the feast of ego, everyone leaves hungry. --Bentley's House of > Coffee > and Tea, Tucson, AZ > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 I think you're making a big leap of illogic here. Jesus threw the moneychangers out of the temple, a spiritual issue. (And frankly, sometimes all the "moneychangers" in Amma's temple bother my sense of propriety, too.) But when Jesus was asked about paying taxes, he said, "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's." In fact, Judas betrayed Christ, some claim, because he wanted Jesus the Christ to lead a political revolution against Rome. Jesus was not interested. J. Devi's Daughter <devi.daughter wrote: Yes, I think so, too. This is an error many spiritual folks make. On Sep 3, 2005, at 9:01 AM, David Cosentino wrote: >Condoning someone's behavior > when they have clearly done wrong time and time again > in the name of spiritual love is not Love. It simply > continues to engender the suffering of others. > i think there is danger in believing that Love means allowing > someone to perpetrate the most heinous breaches of > justice, civility, and universal responsibility over > and over again. Even Jesus angrily threw the > moneychangers from the temple when it offended his > sense of spiritual propriety. > > Dave > -- "Naan Amme Snehikkunnu" Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net At the feast of ego, everyone leaves hungry. --Bentley's House of Coffee and Tea, Tucson, AZ Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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