Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Namah Shivaya Bro & Sisters As I read responses to Bala's statement of anger........I can only think that Bala is one of our wisest brothers. I appreciate the wisdom coming from trying to reason with Bala's angry comments however: I attribute the intensity of Bala's anger to the intensity of his love for Amma.....which I feel certain will soon shift back to the cyclical nature of love and anger, where Bala's anger will soon become compassion for the attacker. Reasoning or correcting someone in an intense state of anger (or love) can be futile......until that person calms down. I, for one, wish I had Bala's wisdom and understanding of Amma's teachings.....and his capacity of love for her, our Mother. Om Namah Shivaya, amritavarshini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 I agree totally and feel that it is important to honor everyone's feelings at this time. This is something that has struck a well of strong emotions in many of Amma's children....and whether one is feeling anger, another is feeling sadness, or another is non-phased it is all Amma's will. It is all part of her leela for the individual concerned and the unit as a whole. We know this is how she works! None of us will have the same reaction and I really feel that it is important not to over analyze everyone else's emotions over the situation...and that includes our own emotions! This incident has raised a lot of issues for me and has caused me to feel and consider many things that I may not have felt otherwise. Bala had a reaction of anger to the situation. I had a reaction of sorrow. Others have had a reaction of feeling tremendously "proud" of Mother, while others have been overwhelmed with compassion for the attacker and others have become worried. I really don't feel that any of the emotions are irrational, right or wrong. It's all part of the spectrum and I hope that we can embrace and respect everyone's feelings on the situation and let everyone move through what they need to move through. I can understand how Bala feels, and chances are he will move through this emotion and into sadness and then acceptance or any myraid combination of feelings...so will we all! I guess at the core of it, it comes down to rising above our third dimensional views of the event and moving into an awareness based on Amma's perspective. I have tried to look at it through her eyes rather than my own limited sense of the circumstance, and I have found that when I was able to do this, I was no longer so emotional about it. The circumstance could have also been orchestrated by Amma for a million different reasons. Maybe it was all for the sake of the karma of the devotees who stepped in, and our very dear brother who took the knife for Amma. It could have been soley for the attacker. It could have been for all of her children. It could have been just something she needed to fulfill. I believe it is a mix of all of these. But the more we try to intellectualize it...the further we will get away from purpose....so I will end here by thanking, from the bottom of my heart, all of those who stood up and kept our beloved Mother from physical harm and all of those who so compassionately pray for the confused attacker. Om Namah Shivayah, Ananthasree http://www.ammaschildren.com Ammachi, "B.Edmonds" <edmondsb@i...> wrote: > Namah Shivaya Bro & Sisters > > As I read responses to Bala's statement of anger........I can only > think that Bala is one of our wisest brothers. I appreciate the wisdom > coming from trying to reason with Bala's angry comments however: > > I attribute the intensity of Bala's anger to the intensity of his love > for Amma.....which I feel certain will soon shift back to the cyclical > nature of love and anger, where Bala's anger will soon become > compassion for the attacker. > > Reasoning or correcting someone in an intense state of anger (or love) > can be futile......until that person calms down. > > I, for one, wish I had Bala's wisdom and understanding of Amma's > teachings.....and his capacity of love for her, our Mother. > > Om Namah Shivaya, > amritavarshini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear All, I think anger is sometimes necessary. Yes Krishna tried all possible methods of peace with the kauravas but nevertheless he did not tolerate adharma. I dont think the attacker was mentally ill. Rather the other two people who ran away from the crowd make me feel that this was a calculated plot. Also, this man was intelligent enough to dress up as a brahmachari- he was wearing a yellow shawl and he concealed a knife. He says, according to the news reports, that "he loves Amma more than god"... is that why he carried a knife with him? and doesnt a devotee of 18 years know that you get darshan by getting a token , not by rushing the stage during darshan with a knife in your hand? whom is he kidding? please.. also, why should I side with evil? why shouldnt I be ready to condemn something i consider horrible? Hasnt the world suffered enough from people who persecute mahatmas? Georgeson talks about bad karma accumulated by the man- what about the bad karma generated for humanity as a whole when a Divine Being is persecuted? the problem is that in the name of goodness we tolerate too much evil. We blame the victim very often .. Goodness and compassion doesnt mean we should tolerate evil , or be gentle with scoundrels. yes that man has a soul , Amma, the divine spark deep within. I dont disagree. I have nothing against his soul- it is his mind that came up with this macabre plot, and his absolute lack of a conscience that I am against. My anger is just a way of expressing my uncompromising attitude against such people. Also Amma has acquired many enemies because of the beautiful work she is doing. People like politicians who see that Her sincere work is making Her very popular, people like misguided members of certain organisations who see that they cannot convert as many people as they used to to their religion because of Amma's godly influence, people who are plain jealous , people who want to make money through false means and people who are seeking power .... I cannot tolerate anyone among these groups who will actually decend to the level of attempting to murder a Mahatma in order to foster their own selfish interests. Amma is one of the greatest beings to set foot on earth, and even from a purely worldly standpoint, She is one of the greatest humanitarians ever. That She, through Her simple hugging , is able to heal the wounds of millions, and inspire so many millions of charitable acts, itself makes Her a miracle. I dont care if She is omniscient or realized or Devi or Krishna or not. Her simple and sure way of soothing people's hearts and reaching out to millions makes Her one of the greatest humans ever. That anyone would think of hurting, let alone kill, such a being is beyond imagination. It shows the depths of degradation that man can sink to, the bestial abyss that the so called "evolved" human being is capable of. In being angry with this man, i am being angry with all that is wrong and evil in this world. To me sunday's incident is the attempted replaying of the crucifixion of Christ. It shows that mankind, as a whole, has not improved much in 2000 years. Rama was maligned, there were numerous attempts on Krishna's life, Jesus was tortured and killed in a most barbaric fashion, every mahatma has had to deal with such muck. As Sri Aurobindo says " "Hard indeed is the world redeemer's task His enemies are the ones he came to save.." and "The cross the payment for the crown they came to give". To me , sunday's incident is symbolic of all that is wrong on earth, it is symbolic of all of man's ignorance and perversion, it is once again the ugly sore of man's ego showing through, the putrid tumor of evil spreading its cancerous poison in the heart of humanity. the incident should make us deeply angry and sad and ashamed. Ashamed to be a human being. bala Start your day with - make it your home page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dear Bala, I understand and absolutely identify with everything you have expressed. I especially was drawn to your posts, having experienced the same rage and sorrow myself (and still swinging back and forth through a range of emotions). Last night I wrote in my journal: """I remember asking "What hope is there in the world if someone takes Amma's life? How would we go on? How could we live in a world capable of that?""""" It is depressing and anger inducing and I wish I could offer some wonderful reason why you need not feel angry...but I cannot. I have always harbored great sorrow over the way our culture has consistently crucified those that come to bring light to our world. It is to be expected at this point, which is very sad. Having it "hit so close to home" the other day really hit me hard, and I would be lying if I said that this has not caused me to feel hopeless and depressed over the state of our world. I admire your passionate defense of my Mother, and your poetic and insightful take on these circumstances. In Amma, Ananathsree http://www.ammaschildren.com Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > Dear All, > > I think anger is sometimes necessary. Yes Krishna tried all possible methods of peace with the kauravas but nevertheless he did not tolerate adharma. > > I dont think the attacker was mentally ill. Rather the other two people who ran away from the crowd make me feel that this was a calculated plot. Also, this man was intelligent enough to dress up as a brahmachari- he was wearing a yellow shawl and he concealed a knife. > > He says, according to the news reports, that "he loves Amma more than god"... is that why he carried a knife with him? > > and doesnt a devotee of 18 years know that you get darshan by getting a token , not by rushing the stage during darshan with a knife in your hand? > > whom is he kidding? > > please.. > > also, why should I side with evil? why shouldnt I be ready to condemn something i consider horrible? > > Hasnt the world suffered enough from people who persecute mahatmas? Georgeson talks about bad karma accumulated by the man- what about the bad karma generated for humanity as a whole when a Divine Being is persecuted? > > the problem is that in the name of goodness we tolerate too much evil. We blame the victim very often .. > > Goodness and compassion doesnt mean we should tolerate evil , or be gentle with scoundrels. > > yes that man has a soul , Amma, the divine spark deep within. I dont disagree. I have nothing against his soul- it is his mind that came up with this macabre plot, and his absolute lack of a conscience that I am against. > > My anger is just a way of expressing my uncompromising attitude against such people. > > Also Amma has acquired many enemies because of the beautiful work she is doing. People like politicians who see that Her sincere work is making Her very popular, people like misguided members of certain organisations who see that they cannot convert as many people as they used to to their religion because of Amma's godly influence, people who are plain jealous , people who want to make money through false means and people who are seeking power .... > > I cannot tolerate anyone among these groups who will actually decend to the level of attempting to murder a Mahatma in order to foster their own selfish interests. > > Amma is one of the greatest beings to set foot on earth, and even from a purely worldly standpoint, She is one of the greatest humanitarians ever. That She, through Her simple hugging , is able to heal the wounds of millions, and inspire so many millions of charitable acts, itself makes Her a miracle. I dont care if She is omniscient or realized or Devi or Krishna or not. Her simple and sure way of soothing people's hearts and reaching out to millions makes Her one of the greatest humans ever. > > That anyone would think of hurting, let alone kill, such a being is beyond imagination. It shows the depths of degradation that man can sink to, the bestial abyss that the so called "evolved" human being is capable of. > > In being angry with this man, i am being angry with all that is wrong and evil in this world. To me sunday's incident is the attempted replaying of the crucifixion of Christ. > > It shows that mankind, as a whole, has not improved much in 2000 years. > > Rama was maligned, there were numerous attempts on Krishna's life, Jesus was tortured and killed in a most barbaric fashion, every mahatma has had to deal with such muck. > > As Sri Aurobindo says " > > "Hard indeed is the world redeemer's task > His enemies are the ones he came to save.." > > and > > "The cross the payment for the crown they came to give". > > To me , sunday's incident is symbolic of all that is wrong on earth, it is symbolic of all of man's ignorance and perversion, it is once again the ugly sore of man's ego showing through, the putrid tumor of evil spreading its cancerous poison in the heart of humanity. > > the incident should make us deeply angry and sad and ashamed. Ashamed to be a human being. > > bala > > > > > > Start your day with - make it your home page > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 The man came to Amma for healing. She healed him with her unconditional love, and forgiveness of the act. Don't dwell on the past. Let it go. Love, Carol balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh wrote: Dear All, I think anger is sometimes necessary. Yes Krishna tried all possible methods of peace with the kauravas but nevertheless he did not tolerate adharma. I dont think the attacker was mentally ill. Rather the other two people who ran away from the crowd make me feel that this was a calculated plot. Also, this man was intelligent enough to dress up as a brahmachari- he was wearing a yellow shawl and he concealed a knife. He says, according to the news reports, that "he loves Amma more than god"... is that why he carried a knife with him? and doesnt a devotee of 18 years know that you get darshan by getting a token , not by rushing the stage during darshan with a knife in your hand? whom is he kidding? please.. also, why should I side with evil? why shouldnt I be ready to condemn something i consider horrible? Hasnt the world suffered enough from people who persecute mahatmas? Georgeson talks about bad karma accumulated by the man- what about the bad karma generated for humanity as a whole when a Divine Being is persecuted? the problem is that in the name of goodness we tolerate too much evil. We blame the victim very often .. Goodness and compassion doesnt mean we should tolerate evil , or be gentle with scoundrels. yes that man has a soul , Amma, the divine spark deep within. I dont disagree. I have nothing against his soul- it is his mind that came up with this macabre plot, and his absolute lack of a conscience that I am against. My anger is just a way of expressing my uncompromising attitude against such people. Also Amma has acquired many enemies because of the beautiful work she is doing. People like politicians who see that Her sincere work is making Her very popular, people like misguided members of certain organisations who see that they cannot convert as many people as they used to to their religion because of Amma's godly influence, people who are plain jealous , people who want to make money through false means and people who are seeking power .... I cannot tolerate anyone among these groups who will actually decend to the level of attempting to murder a Mahatma in order to foster their own selfish interests. Amma is one of the greatest beings to set foot on earth, and even from a purely worldly standpoint, She is one of the greatest humanitarians ever. That She, through Her simple hugging , is able to heal the wounds of millions, and inspire so many millions of charitable acts, itself makes Her a miracle. I dont care if She is omniscient or realized or Devi or Krishna or not. Her simple and sure way of soothing people's hearts and reaching out to millions makes Her one of the greatest humans ever. That anyone would think of hurting, let alone kill, such a being is beyond imagination. It shows the depths of degradation that man can sink to, the bestial abyss that the so called "evolved" human being is capable of. In being angry with this man, i am being angry with all that is wrong and evil in this world. To me sunday's incident is the attempted replaying of the crucifixion of Christ. It shows that mankind, as a whole, has not improved much in 2000 years. Rama was maligned, there were numerous attempts on Krishna's life, Jesus was tortured and killed in a most barbaric fashion, every mahatma has had to deal with such muck. As Sri Aurobindo says " "Hard indeed is the world redeemer's task His enemies are the ones he came to save.." and "The cross the payment for the crown they came to give". To me , sunday's incident is symbolic of all that is wrong on earth, it is symbolic of all of man's ignorance and perversion, it is once again the ugly sore of man's ego showing through, the putrid tumor of evil spreading its cancerous poison in the heart of humanity. the incident should make us deeply angry and sad and ashamed. Ashamed to be a human being. bala Start your day with - make it your home page Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Mail for Mobile Take Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Dearest sister AV, You are soo correct in this. I was thinking the same thing after reading the messages. Bala is the most devoted person I know and he is angry too...it makes sense that he would be 'protective' of her. Anyway, I think it is natural for Amma's children to have varied reactions to this turn of events as long as we do not take them over the edge. With love, Erica Ammachi, "B.Edmonds" <edmondsb@i...> wrote: > Namah Shivaya Bro & Sisters > > As I read responses to Bala's statement of anger........I can only > think that Bala is one of our wisest brothers. I appreciate the wisdom > coming from trying to reason with Bala's angry comments however: > > I attribute the intensity of Bala's anger to the intensity of his love > for Amma.....which I feel certain will soon shift back to the cyclical > nature of love and anger, where Bala's anger will soon become > compassion for the attacker. > > Reasoning or correcting someone in an intense state of anger (or love) > can be futile......until that person calms down. > > I, for one, wish I had Bala's wisdom and understanding of Amma's > teachings.....and his capacity of love for her, our Mother. > > Om Namah Shivaya, > amritavarshini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 this is so beautifully concluded, carol. i think so, too. thank you. carol tessier wrote: >The man came to Amma for healing. She healed him with her unconditional love, and forgiveness of the act. Don't dwell on the past. Let it go. >Love, >Carol > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... Out of my mind. Back in five minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Br Bala I surely understand the sentiment in your post. I often feel this, too--in fact, I feel it often. And you are right--anger is sometimes necessary. I think we have to express what we feel. But we cannot stay in the anger, we must express and release or it will consume us. Then what good are we? It can be very disheartening all that is 'wrong with this world,' but amma is the light (and the way and the truth). There is nothing we can do about those forces that our bent on destruction but we can keep loving as our Mother wishese. To me, this is the fruit of our devotion. So express your frustration and anger (as we all must), and then find your place in the peace of Amma's love. With respect, balakrishnan Shankar wrote: > > > To me , sunday's incident is symbolic of all that is wrong on earth, it is symbolic of all of man's ignorance and perversion, it is once again the ugly sore of man's ego showing through, the putrid tumor of evil spreading its cancerous poison in the heart of humanity. > > the incident should make us deeply angry and sad and ashamed. Ashamed to be a human being. > > bala > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... you can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 yes, you are right! B.Edmonds wrote: >Namah Shivaya Bro & Sisters > >As I read responses to Bala's statement of anger........I can only >think that Bala is one of our wisest brothers. I appreciate the wisdom >coming from trying to reason with Bala's angry comments however: > >I attribute the intensity of Bala's anger to the intensity of his love >for Amma.....which I feel certain will soon shift back to the cyclical >nature of love and anger, where Bala's anger will soon become >compassion for the attacker. > >Reasoning or correcting someone in an intense state of anger (or love) >can be futile......until that person calms down. > >I, for one, wish I had Bala's wisdom and understanding of Amma's >teachings.....and his capacity of love for her, our Mother. > >Om Namah Shivaya, >amritavarshini > > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... Anxiety does not empty tomorrow of its sorrows, but only empties today of its strength. ~Charles Spurgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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