Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 > > This makes me feel that there was a plot. maybe some > religious fanatics ... Or atheist/agnostic fanatics. Kerala is full of rationalists and communists. > > let us pray that no harm befalls Amma or the > ashramaties . > > He was an > "inmate" at the ashram, for how long? And WHY was he > evicted? Probably got the boot for doing drugs, stealing ashram property, or threating other ashram residents. Or "inmates", to use the quaint Indglish term. In any case he will be an inmate (in the North American English sense of the word) at the Kerala State Prison, doing some hard time on the attempted murder rap. Once again a reminder: PLEASE DO NOT USE "DIGEST NUMBER ----" AS A SUBJECT LINE. CHANGE IT, SO THAT THE SUBJECT LINE IS RELEVANT TO YOUR MESSAGE. AND PLEASE DELETE ALL EXCESS TEXT, SO THAT READERS DO NOT HAVE TO SCROLL THROUGH ENDLESS RE-GURGITATED TEXT! Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > > > > This makes me feel that there was a plot. maybe some > > religious fanatics ... > > Or atheist/agnostic fanatics. Kerala is full of > rationalists and communists. My father in India saw an interview with the attacker's father on TV, and apparently he (the attacker's father) said that the attacker was involved with the RSS, a militant Hindu organization. Amma has in the past been accused of being their pawn. Nandu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 On 8/22/05, vallathnkumar <vallathn wrote: t the attacker was > involved with the RSS, a militant Hindu organization. Amma has in the > past been accused of being their pawn. Their pawn? Can you explain more, Nandu? Thanks for that reminder, Kenna. Lovely. Iswari, I am sorry you slept through the end of darsan. Interestingly, right before you posted, I was reading a section of the Devi Mahatmyam about Maya projecting sleep. Can you tell me/us: are there dragonflies around the ashram? How sweet to know you are there with Mother right now. Also, had anyone else heard the story of the man swinging an axe at Master Sivananda's head during meditation back in the early 1950s? Nationalist, hmm... Like because she hoisted up a flag on Independence Day, looking like the Goddess of Liberty, Equality, and Filial kinship (aka fraternite) Herself? love, prashanti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Ammachi, Rachel Barrett Gallop <hipstorian@g...> wrote: > On 8/22/05, vallathnkumar <vallathn@h...> wrote: > t the attacker was > involved with the RSS, a militant Hindu > organization. Amma has in the > > past been accused of being their pawn. > > Their pawn? Can you explain more, Nandu? > love, prashanti Prashanti, What I meant was that Amma has been vaguely accused of garnering power and influence and using it to further the policies and aims of the RSS organization. I say 'vaguely' because I have not seen anything in the way of specific details. And I must hastily add that this stuff was on the web, and as you know, anyone can post anything on the web. I just posted it to the group to pass the time... Nandu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 what is the RSS organization--what is their mission, so-to-speak? >Prashanti, > >What I meant was that Amma has been vaguely accused of garnering >power and influence and using it to further the policies and aims of >the RSS organization. I say 'vaguely' because I have not seen >anything in the way of specific details. And I must hastily add >that this stuff was on the web, and as you know, anyone can post >anything on the web. > >I just posted it to the group to pass the time... > >Nandu > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... Wrinkled Was Not One of the Things I Wanted to Be When I Grew up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 >From what I understand, they are a fundamentalist Hindu organization. If I had to speculate, it would be that they would not like that Amma is A) a woman and B) from a lower caste and that she A) hugs men and women alike and B) hugs Indians and non-Indians from all over the world. I think that they also probably dislike that Amma has made Santana Dharma somewhat more "accessable" to non-Indian-born people. Dangerous, just as any fundamentalists can be. With love, Erica Ammachi, Devi's Daughter <devi.daughter@g...> wrote: > what is the RSS organization--what is their mission, so-to-speak? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Ammachi, "Erica" <sugarandbrine> wrote: > From what I understand, they are a fundamentalist Hindu > organization. If I had to speculate, it would be that they would > not like that Amma is A) a woman and B) from a lower caste and > that she A) hugs men and women alike and B) hugs Indians and non- > Indians from all over the world. No No. it's nothing like that. There's no gender, castiest, or xenophobic twist to the issue. The RSS is a Hindu organization. It was born in the context of the British rule. The Brits were famous for the "Divide and Rule" policy; they used that to divide the Hindus and Muslims, and much of the nonsense between the 2 religions in India today can be traced back to the deep divisions created then. The Muslims had a Muslim League to lobby their interests; the Hindus had none (because the Congress led by Gandhi and Nehru tried to be secular). The RSS was created by a few Hindus who were proud of their religion and fearful that the Hindu interests would not be represented and treated fairly. Gandhi's assasin also was an RSS member, and this is where the org gets the core of its fearful reputation. Anyways, it has since grown into a very powerful org in India. The RSS is a very astute and sound org, but unfortunately it suffers from a bad public-image syndrome. Plus the secular(?) media in India loves to trounce the Hindu orgs for the flimsiest of reasons, forget the real ones. REALLY: the media's handling of the RSS is lop-sided in the minority religions' favor. It's PR is also not effective in communicating it's intentions. Anyway coming back to the topic, the RSS really loves and admires Amma's works. They are proud of Amma's achievements, Amma being Hindu-born. A number of them are Amma's devotees. I believe they also want to leverage Amma's tremendous popularity to achieve their long-term interests of Hindu sustenance, and it is here that they don't understand or accept that Amma is actually universal not just Hindu. Exactly why Amma gets linked to the RSS is not clear, but there could be 3 reasons. 1. Amma does have good relations with the RSS. nothing wrong with per se, but then that makes people "read between the lines" 2. The universal vs Hindu outlook of the spiritual (Ammas) and religious (rss) orgs, I presume, could be creating conflicts, but I am not privy to that knowledge. 3. It is also possible that the number of RSS members in Amma's devotee-base is a significant portion, thus making it look like an affiliate (if not an extension) of the RSS. Again, I do not have numbers to support this, this is just a theory. However, my opinion is that Amma's handling all her children (including the RSS devotees) as any mother would. She manages them, not the other way around. and with the best tool that anyone can have when dealing with as diverse a group of people as she has to manage: love. > I think that they also probably dislike that Amma has made Santana > Dharma somewhat more "accessable" to non-Indian-born people. I have not perceived anything like this in the RSS. As I said before, they ain't xenophobic; they just want sufficient "Hindu space" in India. Our secular politicians and media have done more than a good of suffocating Hindu interests, and that's why they are aggressive. Jai Ma! > Ammachi, Devi's Daughter <devi.daughter@g...> > wrote: > > what is the RSS organization--what is their mission, so-to-speak? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Oh, thank you, Erica! Are they a religious group, then, too? Erica wrote: >>From what I understand, they are a fundamentalist Hindu organization. >If I had to speculate, it would be that they would not like that Amma >is A) a woman and B) from a lower caste and that she A) hugs men and >women alike and B) hugs Indians and non-Indians from all over the >world. > >I think that they also probably dislike that Amma has made Santana >Dharma somewhat more "accessable" to non-Indian-born people. > >Dangerous, just as any fundamentalists can be. > >With love, >Erica > -- Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net -=-=- .... NyQuil, the stuffy, sneezy, why-the-heck-is-the-room-spinning medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 How about the fact that the seniormost disciples of Amma, now monks, were once RSS members in their youth? That definitely makes for a strong bond. I have a hard time with all fundamentalists, regardless of their stripe. Often, they themselves know very little about the religion they are supporting or protecting. Aikya Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > Ammachi, "Erica" <sugarandbrine> wrote: > > From what I understand, they are a fundamentalist Hindu > > organization. If I had to speculate, it would be that they would > > not like that Amma is A) a woman and B) from a lower caste and > > that she A) hugs men and women alike and B) hugs Indians and non- > > Indians from all over the world. > > No No. it's nothing like that. There's no gender, castiest, or > xenophobic twist to the issue. > > The RSS is a Hindu organization. It was born in the context of the > British rule. The Brits were famous for the "Divide and Rule" > policy; they used that to divide the Hindus and Muslims, and much of > the nonsense between the 2 religions in India today can be traced > back to the deep divisions created then. > > The Muslims had a Muslim League to lobby their interests; the Hindus > had none (because the Congress led by Gandhi and Nehru tried to be > secular). > > The RSS was created by a few Hindus who were proud of their religion > and fearful that the Hindu interests would not be represented and > treated fairly. Gandhi's assasin also was an RSS member, and this is > where the org gets the core of its fearful reputation. > > Anyways, it has since grown into a very powerful org in India. > > The RSS is a very astute and sound org, but unfortunately it suffers > from a bad public-image syndrome. Plus the secular(?) media in India > loves to trounce the Hindu orgs for the flimsiest of reasons, forget > the real ones. REALLY: the media's handling of the RSS is lop- sided > in the minority religions' favor. It's PR is also not effective in > communicating it's intentions. > > Anyway coming back to the topic, the RSS really loves and admires > Amma's works. They are proud of Amma's achievements, Amma being > Hindu-born. A number of them are Amma's devotees. I believe they > also want to leverage Amma's tremendous popularity to achieve their > long-term interests of Hindu sustenance, and it is here that they > don't understand or accept that Amma is actually universal not just > Hindu. > > Exactly why Amma gets linked to the RSS is not clear, but there > could be 3 reasons. > 1. Amma does have good relations with the RSS. nothing wrong with > per se, but then that makes people "read between the lines" > 2. The universal vs Hindu outlook of the spiritual (Ammas) and > religious (rss) orgs, I presume, could be creating conflicts, but I > am not privy to that knowledge. > 3. It is also possible that the number of RSS members in Amma's > devotee-base is a significant portion, thus making it look like an > affiliate (if not an extension) of the RSS. Again, I do not have > numbers to support this, this is just a theory. > > However, my opinion is that Amma's handling all her children > (including the RSS devotees) as any mother would. She manages them, > not the other way around. and with the best tool that anyone can > have when dealing with as diverse a group of people as she has to > manage: love. > > > > I think that they also probably dislike that Amma has made Santana > > Dharma somewhat more "accessable" to non-Indian-born people. > > I have not perceived anything like this in the RSS. As I said > before, they ain't xenophobic; they just want sufficient "Hindu > space" in India. Our secular politicians and media have done more > than a good of suffocating Hindu interests, and that's why they are > aggressive. > > > Jai Ma! > > > > Ammachi, Devi's Daughter > <devi.daughter@g...> > > wrote: > > > what is the RSS organization--what is their mission, so-to- speak? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 I think that there are varying opinions on the RSS group, as with most fundamentalist groups. I don't really want to get into political discussions here, so I'll keep my yap shut. (Their website is www.rss.org if anyone wants to take a peek for themselves.) Jai Ma Erica Ammachi, "Aikya Param" <aikya> wrote: > > How about the fact that the seniormost disciples of Amma, now monks, > were once RSS members in their youth? That definitely makes for a > strong bond. > > I have a hard time with all fundamentalists, regardless of their > stripe. Often, they themselves know very little about the religion > they are supporting or protecting. > > Aikya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Ammachi, "Aikya Param" <aikya> wrote: > > How about the fact that the seniormost disciples of Amma, now > monks, were once RSS members in their youth? That definitely > makes for a strong bond. Is that so? I was not aware of that. Yes, it is possible that it could serve as a means for a bond there. Again this is all speculation. .... to me what matters is how my relationship with Amma inspires and takes me to the next level .... everything else is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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