Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:47:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: Avram, I hope what you are saying is true that he was not trying to kill.. what concerns me also is that there were two others in the crowd who also assaulted the brahmacharies and then ran away. Half an hour ago , I chatted with a friend of mine in amritapuri. He mentioned that Amma Herself noted those two people. This makes me feel that there was a plot. maybe some religious fanatics ... let us pray that no harm befalls Amma or the ashramaties . bala You are right. Also, he made a statement that he had not fulfilled "his mission." That would be an odd way to talk about not getting darshan. He was an "inmate" at the ashram, for how long? And WHY was he evicted? This all must be investigated thoroughly. My concept that nothing could happen to her has been shattered. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:47:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: ::Turns out he might not have been attempting to kill her at all. He apparently was evicted from the ashram and he wanted to get his darshan. He might have had the knife to force his way to Amma, but not to kill her. Let's hope that. Avram Umm, I'm a little dubious about this. Admittedly, it's difficult to get close to Amma sometimes, but when you're ten feet away, whipping out a knife hardly seems reasonable. Admittedly, he probably has mental problems. I don't know about mental problems. We need to know why he was evicted from the ashram. there HAS to be a reason for this. And, why were there two accomplices? If he wanted darshan all the asshole had to go was get on line. Now that I think about it, he is lying. No one prevented him from darshan the normal way. Amma has lots and lots of enemies. And yes there are mentally deranged people there too; there's no admission criteria, as we all know. Amma has God's protection, but that is not a guarantee. We can'tl turn the ashram into an armed camp. Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Avram, I agree with you. the fact of the other two people who ran away , and the fact he carried a knife with him, all tell me that this was a plot. if that idiot wanted darshan, all he needed to do was get in line.. I know that some suggested praying for him, but in my mood, i personally want to see him hanged. There will be no compassion in my heart for a modern day Judas or pontius pilate. sorry. The world has seen enough of mahatmas being persecuted and my dear Amma has had more than Her share. I dont care if Amma wants me to forgive him, but this is one command of my Guru that i will lovingly disobey. I want to see him and his ilk wiped out from the surface of the earth. I am sorry to sound so harsh, but Krishna asked Arjuna to kill the kauravas, not pray for them. Her angry child, bala sprose1 wrote: In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:47:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ammachi writes: ::Turns out he might not have been attempting to kill her at all. He apparently was evicted from the ashram and he wanted to get his darshan. He might have had the knife to force his way to Amma, but not to kill her. Let's hope that. Avram Umm, I'm a little dubious about this. Admittedly, it's difficult to get close to Amma sometimes, but when you're ten feet away, whipping out a knife hardly seems reasonable. Admittedly, he probably has mental problems. I don't know about mental problems. We need to know why he was evicted from the ashram. there HAS to be a reason for this. And, why were there two accomplices? If he wanted darshan all the asshole had to go was get on line. Now that I think about it, he is lying. No one prevented him from darshan the normal way. Amma has lots and lots of enemies. And yes there are mentally deranged people there too; there's no admission criteria, as we all know. Amma has God's protection, but that is not a guarantee. We can'tl turn the ashram into an armed camp. Avram Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Dear Bala: I completely understand your rage. The need to vent is also understandable. In a day or two you will calm down. Anger is a sin in and of itself. Amma says (in many tour stops I have attended) that we all sympathize with a person who has a physical disability. That is easy. However persons with mental disabilities are just as disabled. Amma says we need to have the same amount of sympathy for the mentally ill as we do the physically restricted. Here come my two pesos worth. If the man was part and parcel of a conspiracy, eg a rationalist fanatic I respectfully submit that we should STILL forgive him. Why? Anyone who attacks a Saint must possess extremely bad parabda karma. Amma often says that it is not our job to wonder about why someone attained his or her bad karma. Amma teaches that it IS our job to help and to serve and leave the distribution of Karma to God. Additionally many hindu theorists believe that the absolute worst sin imagineable is to attack a Sadhu (Holy Person) This sin results in countless cycles of karmic retribution. Driven by bad Karma this fallen soul has snowballed his karma resulting in many more cycles of intense karma related suffering (for him) I pray that God forgives the attacker(s) so they can be redeemed.. In a few days many of us may cool down. Amma instructed us to not jump into react mode. Once again Bala I am with you in being upset. Try to chill out, brother. Namah Shivaya GeorgeSon Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > Avram, > > I agree with you. the fact of the other two people who ran away , and the fact he carried a knife with him, all tell me that this was a plot. if that idiot wanted darshan, all he needed to do was get in line.. > > I know that some suggested praying for him, but in my mood, i personally want to see him hanged. > > There will be no compassion in my heart for a modern day Judas or pontius pilate. sorry. The world has seen enough of mahatmas being persecuted and my dear Amma has had more than Her share. > > I dont care if Amma wants me to forgive him, but this is one command of my Guru that i will lovingly disobey. I want to see him and his ilk wiped out from the surface of the earth. > > I am sorry to sound so harsh, but Krishna asked Arjuna to kill the kauravas, not pray for them. > > Her angry child, > > bala > > sprose1@a... wrote: > In a message dated 8/22/2005 7:47:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Ammachi writes: > ::Turns out he might not have been attempting to kill her at all. He > apparently was evicted from the ashram and he wanted to get his darshan. He > might have > had the knife to force his way to Amma, but not to kill her. Let's hope that. > Avram > > > Umm, I'm a little dubious about this. Admittedly, it's > difficult to get close to Amma sometimes, but when you're > ten feet away, whipping out a knife hardly seems reasonable. > Admittedly, he probably has mental problems. > I don't know about mental problems. We need to know why he was evicted from > the ashram. there HAS to be a reason for this. And, why were there two > accomplices? If he wanted darshan all the asshole had to go was get on line. Now that > I think about it, he is lying. No one prevented him from darshan the normal > way. Amma has lots and lots of enemies. And yes there are mentally deranged > people there too; there's no admission criteria, as we all know. Amma has God's > protection, but that is not a guarantee. We can'tl turn the ashram into an > armed camp. Avram > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > > > Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. Learn more. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 on 8/22/05 7:03 PM, sprose1 at sprose1 wrote: > You are right. Also, he made a statement that he had not fulfilled "his > mission." That would be an odd way to talk about not getting darshan. He was > an > "inmate" at the ashram, for how long? And WHY was he evicted? This all must > be > investigated thoroughly. My concept that nothing could happen to her has been > shattered. Avram Why did you have such a concept in the first place? Many saints and even Avatars have met with violent deaths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > > I am sorry to sound so harsh, but Krishna asked Arjuna to kill the kauravas, not pray for them. > > Her angry child, > > bala Hi Bala, A little harsh I think. Unless, of course, Amma asked you to kill Pavithran and not pray for him :-) LOL Nandu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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