Guest guest Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Om Namah Shivayah, I was just browsing the Internet for articles on our beloved Amma, when I happened upon a website of someone called "Amma Karunamayi". I had never heard of this person before, and out of curiosity, I read a little bit of what was on the website. I was a little bit taken aback to see that this person has a biography almost identical to Amma's, teaches the same things, offers darshan, and has an almost indentical mission statement. I did not get a good or sincere feeling from any of this, and found myself thinking I had stumbled upon someone impersonating my mother. Please pardon my ignorance if you have all heard of this before. I am sure it's old news, but it's new to me and I am hoping to be enlightened on what this is all about! Strange indeed. In Amma's Service! Ananthasree http://www.ammaschildren.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Namah Shivaya, I have had the good fortune to spend time with Karunamayi. She is, in my opinion an enlightened being (as if I would know). She is a very giving, incredible piece of the divine in a human body. Many on this list have had Her darshan. I'm sure others can tell you more. Mike Brooker, Keval, of this list has a website devoted to the comparison of the two Ammas. I don't know the link, but you could probably google it. Jai Ma! Prasadini .. Ananthasree wrote: >Om Namah Shivayah, > >I was just browsing the Internet for articles on our beloved Amma, >when I happened upon a website of someone called "Amma Karunamayi". I >had never heard of this person before, and out of curiosity, I read a >little bit of what was on the website. I was a little bit taken aback >to see that this person has a biography almost identical to Amma's, >teaches the same things, offers darshan, and has an almost indentical >mission statement. I did not get a good or sincere feeling from any of >this, and found myself thinking I had stumbled upon someone >impersonating my mother. > >Please pardon my ignorance if you have all heard of this before. I am >sure it's old news, but it's new to me and I am hoping to be >enlightened on what this is all about! > >Strange indeed. > >In Amma's Service! > >Ananthasree > >http://www.ammaschildren.com > > > > > >Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I have seen the same thing. Wierd ?? Ananthasree <michellewalsh88 wrote:Om Namah Shivayah, I was just browsing the Internet for articles on our beloved Amma, when I happened upon a website of someone called "Amma Karunamayi". I had never heard of this person before, and out of curiosity, I read a little bit of what was on the website. I was a little bit taken aback to see that this person has a biography almost identical to Amma's, teaches the same things, offers darshan, and has an almost indentical mission statement. I did not get a good or sincere feeling from any of this, and found myself thinking I had stumbled upon someone impersonating my mother. Please pardon my ignorance if you have all heard of this before. I am sure it's old news, but it's new to me and I am hoping to be enlightened on what this is all about! Strange indeed. In Amma's Service! Ananthasree http://www.ammaschildren.com Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 I also found this woman on the internet and found her to be a fake, she ask,s for money to help people in need which seems to be for herself,I am sure there will be many more like her to follow and try to copy amma,but we all know there is only one mother,its very sad indeed. Love ,Light & Laughter to all also can someone tell me what Om Namah means ? Tony <ammastony wrote: I have seen the same thing. Wierd ?? Ananthasree wrote:Om Namah Shivayah, I was just browsing the Internet for articles on our beloved Amma, when I happened upon a website of someone called "Amma Karunamayi". I had never heard of this person before, and out of curiosity, I read a little bit of what was on the website. I was a little bit taken aback to see that this person has a biography almost identical to Amma's, teaches the same things, offers darshan, and has an almost indentical mission statement. I did not get a good or sincere feeling from any of this, and found myself thinking I had stumbled upon someone impersonating my mother. Please pardon my ignorance if you have all heard of this before. I am sure it's old news, but it's new to me and I am hoping to be enlightened on what this is all about! Strange indeed. In Amma's Service! Ananthasree http://www.ammaschildren.com Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Messenger beta: Free worldwide PC to PC calls and a special headset offer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Although it's been clear to me for a long time that Karunamayi is not my guru, I personally would not call her a "fake" -- especially just from what you've read online. I definitely don't experience her on the same level as I experience Amma, but at the same time, when I did have her darshan years ago, I found her to be very sincere, gentle, lovely and sweet. Her energy was very beautiful and the individual blessings she gives are heart-opening, even if I did find her talks a bit soporific (but then again, Amma's talks aren't what draw me to Her, either, although there are real gems there...it's more about the relational process). In some ways, a lot of what Amma and Karunamayi say sounds the same (not surprising, given that they're both rooted in the culture of sanatana dharma). But if you spend time around them, you'll see that their energy is very different. I've seen her gentle love really transform people I know. So, while she's not for me, and while the claims made about her by her devotees may or may not be true, I have seen her do genuine good in the world. I've never had the impression that Karunamayi is trying to copy Amma. I first met Karunamayi right after I met Amma, and was initially disappointed with her because *I* was comparing her to Amma (and I didn't have nearly as powerful an experience), not because *she* claimed to be like Amma. However, once I got over this idea that they were supposed to be the same, I was able to appreciate her for what she does have to offer. I've heard some devotees say that Amma once told someone (or a group of people) not to see Karunamayi. While I personally no longer have an interest in seeing Karunamayi, I also feel the need to take Amma's words as filtered through third parties with a grain of salt, because I know that She does sometimes give apparently "conflicting" advice to different people, depending on their needs at the time. For some of us, it may be a bad idea to spend time with another teacher, while for others, it may be what's needed. I, myself, am sure that it was Amma who sent me to see another "Divine Mother" Indian teacher this spring, although I haven't felt a desire to do that in many years and I haven't since. I was going through a rough time and clearly felt Amma, Herself, coming to me through her. (There is only one Mother, but sometimes She takes unexpected forms!) Anyway, I really like this quotation of Lex Hixon, speaking about Sri Ramakrishna: "We do not claim anything. We don't want to become sectarians who insist that our guru is the satguru in charge of the entire world process. We know too many people who think that way exclusively. In the case of Sri Ramakrishna, we feel that he is the sarva dharma swarupa, the essence of all dharmas. This is not exclusive. As Sri Ramakrishna says, the only guru is akhanda satchidananda, indivisible being, consciousness and bliss. That guru alone is operating through all dharmas, through all sacred traditions, and the awakening that proceeds uniquely from each one...The mystery of avatara, or Divine Descent, is a secret inner intuition for those of us who are initiated. It is not a creed- We cannot insist that people believe Sri Ramakrishna is an avatar, because he never insisted. When you receive the initiation, you feel this mystery inwardly." Just my $0.02, Iswari Ammachi, vicki witney <lollyren> wrote: > I also found this woman on the internet and found her to be a fake, she ask,s for money to help people in need which seems to be for herself,I am sure there will be many more like her to follow and try to copy amma,but we all know there is only one mother,its very sad indeed. > Love ,Light & Laughter to all > also can someone tell me what Om Namah means ? > > Tony <ammastony> wrote: > I have seen the same thing. Wierd ?? > > Ananthasree wrote:Om Namah Shivayah, > > I was just browsing the Internet for articles on our beloved Amma, > when I happened upon a website of someone called "Amma Karunamayi". I > had never heard of this person before, and out of curiosity, I read a > little bit of what was on the website. I was a little bit taken aback > to see that this person has a biography almost identical to Amma's, > teaches the same things, offers darshan, and has an almost indentical > mission statement. I did not get a good or sincere feeling from any of > this, and found myself thinking I had stumbled upon someone > impersonating my mother. > > Please pardon my ignorance if you have all heard of this before. I am > sure it's old news, but it's new to me and I am hoping to be > enlightened on what this is all about! > > Strange indeed. > > In Amma's Service! > > Ananthasree > > http://www.ammaschildren.com > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi Hinduism > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > Messenger beta: Free worldwide PC to PC calls and a special headset offer! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Karunamayi comes to Fairfield (Iowa) a few weeks before Amma does every year, and many people, including myself usually, go to see both. She's the real deal, although, as people have said, she has a different energy - a different approach. Stands to reason, as she's a different person. Duh! Anyway, she's doing a lot of good in the world, her darshan is very uplifting, and in my opinion we all would do well not to be one of those people Yogananda referred to who can only love their own chosen ideal by hating everyone else's. on 8/13/05 6:15 AM, ammasiswari at ammasiswari wrote: > Although it's been clear to me for a long time that Karunamayi is not my guru, > I personally > would not call her a "fake" -- especially just from what you've read online. I > definitely don't > experience her on the same level as I experience Amma, but at the same time, > when I did > have her darshan years ago, I found her to be very sincere, gentle, lovely and > sweet. Her > energy was very beautiful and the individual blessings she gives are > heart-opening, even if > I did find her talks a bit soporific (but then again, Amma's talks aren't what > draw me to > Her, either, although there are real gems there...it's more about the > relational process). > > In some ways, a lot of what Amma and Karunamayi say sounds the same (not > surprising, > given that they're both rooted in the culture of sanatana dharma). But if you > spend time > around them, you'll see that their energy is very different. I've seen her > gentle love really > transform people I know. So, while she's not for me, and while the claims made > about her > by her devotees may or may not be true, I have seen her do genuine good in the > world. > > I've never had the impression that Karunamayi is trying to copy Amma. I first > met > Karunamayi right after I met Amma, and was initially disappointed with her > because *I* > was comparing her to Amma (and I didn't have nearly as powerful an > experience), not > because *she* claimed to be like Amma. However, once I got over this idea that > they were > supposed to be the same, I was able to appreciate her for what she does have > to offer. > > I've heard some devotees say that Amma once told someone (or a group of > people) not to > see Karunamayi. While I personally no longer have an interest in seeing > Karunamayi, I also > feel the need to take Amma's words as filtered through third parties with a > grain of salt, > because I know that She does sometimes give apparently "conflicting" advice to > different > people, depending on their needs at the time. For some of us, it may be a bad > idea to > spend time with another teacher, while for others, it may be what's needed. I, > myself, am > sure that it was Amma who sent me to see another "Divine Mother" Indian > teacher this > spring, although I haven't felt a desire to do that in many years and I > haven't since. I was > going through a rough time and clearly felt Amma, Herself, coming to me > through her. > > (There is only one Mother, but sometimes She takes unexpected forms!) > > Anyway, I really like this quotation of Lex Hixon, speaking about Sri > Ramakrishna: > > "We do not claim anything. We don't want to become sectarians who insist that > our guru is > the satguru in charge of the entire world process. We know too many people who > think > that way exclusively. In the case of Sri Ramakrishna, we feel that he is the > sarva dharma > swarupa, the essence of all dharmas. This is not exclusive. As Sri Ramakrishna > says, the > only guru is akhanda satchidananda, indivisible being, consciousness and > bliss. That guru > alone is operating through all dharmas, through all sacred traditions, and the > awakening > that proceeds uniquely from each one...The mystery of avatara, or Divine > Descent, is a > secret inner intuition for those of us who are initiated. It is not a creed- > We cannot insist > that people believe Sri Ramakrishna is an avatar, because he never insisted. > When you > receive the initiation, you feel this mystery inwardly." > > Just my $0.02, > Iswari > > Ammachi, vicki witney <lollyren> wrote: >> I also found this woman on the internet and found her to be a fake, she ask,s >> for money > to help people in need which seems to be for herself,I am sure there will be > many more > like her to follow and try to copy amma,but we all know there is only one > mother,its very > sad indeed. >> Love ,Light & Laughter to all >> also can someone tell me what Om Namah means ? >> >> Tony <ammastony> wrote: >> I have seen the same thing. Wierd ?? >> >> Ananthasree wrote:Om Namah Shivayah, >> >> I was just browsing the Internet for articles on our beloved Amma, >> when I happened upon a website of someone called "Amma Karunamayi". I >> had never heard of this person before, and out of curiosity, I read a >> little bit of what was on the website. I was a little bit taken aback >> to see that this person has a biography almost identical to Amma's, >> teaches the same things, offers darshan, and has an almost indentical >> mission statement. I did not get a good or sincere feeling from any of >> this, and found myself thinking I had stumbled upon someone >> impersonating my mother. >> >> Please pardon my ignorance if you have all heard of this before. I am >> sure it's old news, but it's new to me and I am hoping to be >> enlightened on what this is all about! >> >> Strange indeed. >> >> In Amma's Service! >> >> Ananthasree >> >> http://www.ammaschildren.com >> >> >> >> >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> >> >> >> >> Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs Hinduism religion Ammachi >> Hinduism >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >> >> >> Ammachi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! >> Links >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Messenger beta: Free worldwide PC to PC calls and a special headset offer! >> >> > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > > > -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-572-5842 http://searchsummit.com rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Beloved Ananthasree, Amma Karunamayi <http://www.karunamayi.org> is a divine embodiment of the Goddess like our Beloved Mata Amritanandamayi. I have not met her yet (but then, I haven't met Mother, yet, either,) but have read some of her works--which I think are splendid. There is also Shree Maa of Kamakhya <http://www.shreemaa.org> who is yet another beautiful embodiment of the Goddess. I am thrilled that there are so many beautiful emanations of the Mother walking the earth in the form of the Feminine Divine these days. We so need that right now. Many saints teach the "same thing" and offer their Darshan, so this is not surprising. Someone mentioned the comparison site (which I have bookmarked) so click here <http://webhome.idirect.com/%7Eaum108/amma.html> if you want to see that. Other emanations of the Goddess: There is Mother Meera <http://home.arcor.de/maatrix/amma.html> in Germany. There is Sri Matha Yoganandamayi <http://www.yoganandamayi.org/>. I don't know much about her. There is even a male embodiment of the Mother called Narayani Amma <http://www.narayaniamma.org/>. There is another Indian woman calling herself Divine Amma <http://www.divineamma.org/Divine-Amma-Hello.aspx> but I think she channels. An Indian friend of mine from that country was skeptical when I showed him her site. But I had no further interest in finding out more after I saw her site to say more about that. Anyway, there are many saints, teachers, gurus doing the work as there have always been, and I think we are blessed that many are in female embodiment doing the Mother's work. Hope this sheds a little perspective. -- "Naan Amme Snehikkunnu" Be Love, Egyirba (Berijoy) http://www.egyirba.net There are no new ideas. There are only new ways of making them felt. ~ Audre Lorde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Om Namah Shivaya, Several times I've seen Karunamayi. The last time, I felt some trepadation about receiving Karunamayi's darshan. A swami said that to go to another Guru for help, when you already have a Guru, is like being unfaithful in a marriage. But, I figured that it's good to keep satvic company. While standing in line, as I wondered if it was O.K. to receive Karunamayi's darshan, I felt what seemed like pure goodness all around me. But, I decided not to attend anymore of Karunamayi's programs during her summer tour. I'm feeling increasingly devoted to Ammachi, & just don't feel the need for another Guru's blessing. Amma gives me everything I need. As I recall, after seeing Karunamayi, I just missed Amma even more. Sweta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Dear Sweta, I can relate. It wasn't having darshan, though, that gave me trepidation, but when her organization began to try to recruit me to for seva. While I always enjoyed receiving Karunamayi's darshan, it didn't feel right to me to dedicate my service to another guru. I also feel pure goodness around Karunamayi, but a few years ago, it just began to feel clear to me that my place was with Amma (although if I feel Amma telling me to go visit with another teacher, as I felt She did in the springtime, I will go with an open heart....and I do think there is a place, as you said, for keeping the company of saints). Still, I'm glad our fellow listmembers have been so vocal about respecting other paths. In addition to the quotation I posted by Lex Hixon on sectarianism, I was remembering another one by Thomas Merton, a trappist monk immersed in interfaith dialogue. He said: "The more I am able to affirm others, to say 'yes' to them in myself, by discovering them in myself and myself in them, the more real I am. I am fully real if my own heart says yes to everyone...If I affirm myself as a Catholic merely by denying all that is Muslim, Jewish, Protestant, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., in the end I will find that there is not much left for me as a Catholic: and certainly no breath of the Spirit with which to affirm it." Blessings, Iswari Ammachi, wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > > Several times I've seen Karunamayi. The last time, I > felt some trepadation about receiving Karunamayi's > darshan. A swami said that to go to another Guru for > help, when you already have a Guru, is like being > unfaithful in a marriage. But, I figured that it's > good to keep satvic company. > > While standing in line, as I wondered if it was O.K. > to receive Karunamayi's darshan, I felt what seemed > like pure goodness all around me. But, I decided not > to attend anymore of Karunamayi's programs during her > summer tour. I'm feeling increasingly devoted to > Ammachi, & just don't feel the need for another Guru's > blessing. Amma gives me everything I need. As I > recall, after seeing Karunamayi, I just missed Amma > even more. > > Sweta > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 > Still, I'm glad our fellow listmembers have been so vocal about respecting other paths. In > addition to the quotation I posted by Lex Hixon on sectarianism, I was remembering > another one by Thomas Merton, a trappist monk immersed in interfaith dialogue. He said: > > "The more I am able to affirm others, to say 'yes' to them in myself, by discovering them in > myself and myself in them, the more real I am. I am fully real if my own heart says yes to > everyone...If I affirm myself as a Catholic merely by denying all that is Muslim, Jewish, > Protestant, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., in the end I will find that there is not much left for me as > a Catholic: and certainly no breath of the Spirit with which to affirm it." > > Blessings, > Iswari > This is true and important. When Amma first came to the states she visited a friend's farm in Maryland. The few lucky devotees who came got to frolic for hours with Amma and ask any number of questions. Tom, another friend who was there talked to Amma while sitting with her in the field. Paraphrasing, he said, "Amma it is my dream that the devotees from all the different groups should be able to get together and get along with eachother." Amma became very pleased and said with emotion, "Son, this is Amma's dream as well" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Ammachi, "ckeniley2003" <ckeniley2003> "Tom, another friend who was there talked to Amma while sitting with > her in the field. Paraphrasing, he said, "Amma it is my dream that > the devotees from all the different groups should be able to get > together and get along with eachother." Amma became very pleased and > said with emotion, "Son, this is Amma's dream as well" Beloved devotees, i urge you from the bottom of my heart, let us make this dream of Amma's, [and all pure hearted devotees], a beautiful reality. Jai Lalita Tripurasundari Amma! muktimaa wrote: > > Still, I'm glad our fellow listmembers have been so vocal about > respecting other paths. In > > addition to the quotation I posted by Lex Hixon on sectarianism, I > was remembering > > another one by Thomas Merton, a trappist monk immersed in > interfaith dialogue. He said: > > > > "The more I am able to affirm others, to say 'yes' to them in > myself, by discovering them in > > myself and myself in them, the more real I am. I am fully real if > my own heart says yes to > > everyone...If I affirm myself as a Catholic merely by denying all > that is Muslim, Jewish, > > Protestant, Hindu, Buddhist, etc., in the end I will find that > there is not much left for me as > > a Catholic: and certainly no breath of the Spirit with which to > affirm it." > > > > Blessings, > > Iswari > > > This is true and important. > > When Amma first came to the states she visited a friend's farm in > Maryland. The few lucky devotees who came got to frolic for hours > with Amma and ask any number of questions. > > Tom, another friend who was there talked to Amma while sitting with > her in the field. Paraphrasing, he said, "Amma it is my dream that > the devotees from all the different groups should be able to get > together and get along with eachother." Amma became very pleased and > said with emotion, "Son, this is Amma's dream as well" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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