To Avram and all on Amma's birthday

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Avram wrote:

 

Even so, they did throw a 50th birthday event for Her, when it so happened

that She was already 51. Isn't that a tad incongruous? Don't you think if

She

knew, She would have had the event in the proper year? I find it a little

embarrassing, myself. She was born as Sudhamani, at a certain date and time.

It

might not be important in itself, but with the high-profile birthday

anniversary, it is unfortunate that it came out later that the year itself

was

incorrect.

 

 

Dear Avram and all ~ this is another thread I have stayed out of because I

know nothing. However I do know that in small villages today, just as in our

own historic past in America, the exact dates of birth were not always recorded

and so people relied on memory, a somewhat inconstant companion, for this

information. I don't find this strange at all.

At Amma's Feet ~ Linda

 

 

 

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Dear Avram,

 

I think Amma "knows" perfectly well when She chose to incarnate into Her

present body. In fact, Amma allowed Amritavarsham to happen only because Amma

wanted a large set of people to gather together and pray for the world. An

ashram resident told us ( before amritavarsham) that Amma had remarked that She

was already 50 years old before amritavarsham.

In the early years, Amma's b'day used to be celebrated according to the hindu

astrological calender- that is on Krithika nakshatra day in the month of kanni(

when the vedic calender puts the sun in virgo). This date used to change from

year to year ( that is the gregorian calender date used to change).

 

So on some years the karthika star would fall on oct 1st, sometimes on sept

26th , sometimes on sep 30th etc. As the crowds grew larger, this was confusing

for many people. So the ashram decided to keep it fixed on a particular date.

The date recorded was sept 27th in most books ( as you see sept 27th 1953 was

also karthika nakshatra day) and Amma's parents did not note the particular year

accurately.( this does not surprise me, as my own mother, grand ma and even some

cousins are not sure of the exact year they were born).

 

So sept 27th was accepted as the date- but even now, when some people say "oct

7th" is the day we are not sure.... but i did check the jyotish chart for the

oct 7th 1952 date too and the chart is quite beautiful i should say.

 

Amma Herself does not bother much about the date and time as i guess after all

She is

"Tyakta dig vastu kalaadi savavacheda rasaye"- ( one who has gone beyond

limitations like time and space - from Her 108 names).

 

For Amma it doesnt matter when you gather and pray to God - if you say this is

Her "bday" and do it, well then OK.

 

In fact there was a similar incident with Ramana Maharishi. Once a man wrote a

book in which he had written various false stuff- like Sri Ramana got married

and then ran away from home etc. All this stuff was false- as Ramana maharishi

never married and left home when he was 17 years old.

 

But the fun of the matter was the man actually took his manuscript, full of

wrong details and got it BLESSED BY RAMANA MAHARISHI HIMSELF!!!

 

Ramana Maharishi blessed the book. After some days, the other devotes

recognized the error and came to Ramana and asked Him "Bhagavan, why did you

bless the book when you knew the details were false?"

 

To which came Ramana's classic reply " DO YOU THINK YOUR VERSION IS RIGHT?-

THAT I BORN ON SUCH A SUCH A DAY AND CAME HERE WHEN I WAS 17. THAT STORY WHICH

YOU THINK IS THE "REAL" BIOGRAPHY IS AS MUCH AN ILLUSION AS THE STORY THE MAN

WROTE !!!!!!! "

 

that is, for Ramana , even the "real" details of his life were false!- because

he was never born nor did he die , nor was he ever embodied.

 

Similarly i guess for Amma, when She knows that She is never born or never

dies, when She knows that She is the formless reality behind all forms, it makes

no difference as to when you celebrate Her "birthday".

 

Finally- Amma's true and ONLY birthday is the day we open our hearts with Love.

The day we cry for God and for our fellow man, is the day Amma is born in us.

 

 

Actually in Seattle, ( jyotsna can correct me if I am wrong) - there was a

question very similar to this one..

the question was "Amma what was your previous birth?"

 

To which Amma replied " For Amma there is no such thing as birth. It is like

going from one compartment( cabin) of a train to another. There is no such

point as birth for Amma".

 

Actually Swamiji was not satisfied with Her answer and tried to pin Her down.

He said "Amma was Krishna", then he kept asking Her "thats right Mother, but

what exact birth was that - the previous cabin?"-to which Amma again said " son,

i told you, i dont have a specific birth ".

 

After the Q&A session was over, i went and asked Swamiji "So swami you failed

to pin Her down ".. to which Swamiji replied " I have never managed to find out

the answer from Her about Her previous birth ".

 

I initially thought that Amma evaded the isue- then it struck me that She was

speaking the plain honest Truth! - in reality there IS NO SUCH THING AS A BIRTH

FOR HER- so whats the point of asking the question?

 

In repeatedly asking the question, we are expecting Amma to share our false

visison- that we are the body and have a specific birth. But AMMA does not feel

She is the body, so how can She answer the question ?

 

Perhaps Her refusal to answer our question as to Her previous birth, and Her

non committal attitude towards the "actual" date of Her birth IS the Answer-

that She wants us to come to that level where there is no birth or death. where

we see Her and ourselves as we really are- the Atman .

 

Let us humbly bow down to the Mahatma, and not hastily judge the Mahatma. We

cannot understand Her point of view. Hopefully, one day, by Her grace and our

self effort- we shall understand Her point of view and stop asking this foolish

question regd the birthday of One who was never born.

 

bala

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

nierika wrote:

 

Avram wrote:

 

Even so, they did throw a 50th birthday event for Her, when it so happened

that She was already 51. Isn't that a tad incongruous? Don't you think if

She

knew, She would have had the event in the proper year? I find it a little

embarrassing, myself. She was born as Sudhamani, at a certain date and time.

It

might not be important in itself, but with the high-profile birthday

anniversary, it is unfortunate that it came out later that the year itself

was

incorrect.

 

 

Dear Avram and all ~ this is another thread I have stayed out of because I

know nothing. However I do know that in small villages today, just as in our

own historic past in America, the exact dates of birth were not always recorded

and so people relied on memory, a somewhat inconstant companion, for this

information. I don't find this strange at all.

At Amma's Feet ~ Linda

 

 

 

 

 

 

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