Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Hello All, I am going to Boston tour. Can anyone please tell me if they have any accomadation to spare for me on Saturday . Thank you all In Amma's service Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote: Along these lines. You should see the variety of dates given for Sri Ramakrishna's birth! The nuns at Sarada Devi's temple give one date. The Ramakrishna Math gives another. The western scholars give another. And it is not just lunar vs solar calendars. There is also a separate Bengali lunar calendar. We went through this this year when we at the Devi Mandir wanted to celebrate his birthday. We were told that the Bengali lunar calendar was the one to use. On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:25 PM, manoj_menon wrote: > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > Although I don't consider myself an "ignorant fellow", > > I'm wondering about that too. What else could the > > Amma organization be hiding, obfuscating, or outright > > lying about? If the discrepancy in birth date were > > just one or two days, that's one thing. Might have > > been a typo error on the part of the Kerala bureau of > > vital statistics, or whatever government authority > > down there is responsible for issuing birth > > certificates. But we're talking about _almost a whole > > year_, folks! Amma's biological family may have been > > dirt-poor, but they almost certainly weren't > > illiterate (kerala has the highest literacy rate in > > India, about the same as any western first-world > > country). Even if they weren't sure of the date, and > > didn't have a calendar hanging on a wall in their > > house, they would have had to be living under a rock > > not to know what year it was, 1952 or '53. > > > > Keval > > In order to understand why the "dates and times" are not accurate, > please be aware of a few facts that were prevalent in much of India. > > 1. Much of the populace of India followed a lunar calendar for events > like birth of a child etc. The gregorian calendar is in use today in > urban places, but in rural India, lunar rules. > 2. The lunar calendar is what is used to calculate jyotish > predictions, not the gregorian (solar) calendar. > 3. Most folks of that age (born before 1965 approx) do not know their > actual birthdates; and if they do, it is only vaguely so. My parents > are examples of the same. Going by the nakshatra and the month, they > say the birthdate this year is so-and-so. > > 4. This is the kicker. > In all of India then (and in most rural places and maybe some cities > too even now), YOU DO NOT NAME THE CHILD AND REGISTER IT'S BIRTH > DETAILS with the government office WHILE LEAVING THE HOSPITAL (i.e. > assuming the delivery was done in a hospital). > The child is named usually after 28 (or 21 or 40) days of birth, and > the birth certificate is created "whenever convinient for the parents > to go to the birth registrar office". > > As an aside, ask any Indian who had to apply for his green card in the > US, what a nightmare this causes even now! Why, ask me! My birth > certificate was created in Malayalam with a name "Sai Narayanan alias > Manojkumar Menon", and that too a good 2-3 years after I was born, > because it was needed for me to be admitted to school! As for making > it "convinient" for US authorities to understand, I had to fax and > fedex affidavits proving my birth date and name in the certificate are > legal and representative of me, and why "official" name is on the > right side of the "alias" and not the left side. > > > > I'm wondering about that too. What else could the Amma organization > > be hiding, obfuscating, or outright lying about? > > To put it explicitly, all this means is that the documentation of the > event of a birth is an entirely different universe in India than it is > in most developed countries, SO PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE SNIPPETS OF FACTS > suspiciously. I know the above statement was well-intentioned, and > hopefully my response has helped clarify things a bit. > > I believe, this is the major cause for the confusion in the recording > of the CORRECT GREGORIAN DATE IN MOST BIRTH EVENTS from India, and > Amma's also. > > As for hiding or obfuscating, I know what they are thinking - it must > be something like this: " it's a pain and a waste of energy and time > to explain all of this to all the people who come asking questions > like this, so why even let them know about this? ignorance is bliss! > Besides, folks would be better off using their time contemplating > spiritual truths which is why they came here in the first place." > > I would have thought likewise too, considering how much time I spent > typing this mail (and if I had to do this over and over again till the > end of time whenever somebody asked me a question like this). > > Jai Ma! > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. >  > ▪  >  Ammachi >  > ▪  Terms of > Service. > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! 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Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Dear devotee, Unfortunatley I am facing the same problem. All the hotels are packed. In my opinion Malborough is not ideal place for retreat, it is industrial town (Fidelity,Staples head quarters, HP to name few) and not an rural setting. With so many devotees comming from tri state area to retreat not much room left in any of three designated hotels. I hope something works out on Wednesday public program. Aum Avinash --- amma Amma <mm_amma wrote: > Hello All, > > I am going to Boston tour. Can anyone please tell me > if they have any accomadation to spare for me on > Saturday . Thank you all > > In Amma's service > > > Ardis Jackson <ardis1 wrote: > Along these lines. You should see the variety of > dates given for Sri > Ramakrishna's birth! The nuns at Sarada Devi's > temple give one date. > The Ramakrishna Math gives another. The western > scholars give another. > And it is not just lunar vs solar calendars. > There is also a separate > Bengali lunar calendar. We went through this this > year when we at the > Devi Mandir wanted to celebrate his birthday. We > were told that the > Bengali lunar calendar was the one to use. > > > On Jul 18, 2005, at 6:25 PM, manoj_menon wrote: > > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker > <patria1818> wrote: > > > Although I don't consider myself an "ignorant > fellow", > > > I'm wondering about that too. What else could > the > > > Amma organization be hiding, obfuscating, or > outright > > > lying about? If the discrepancy in birth date > were > > > just one or two days, that's one thing. Might > have > > > been a typo error on the part of the Kerala > bureau of > > > vital statistics, or whatever government > authority > > > down there is responsible for issuing birth > > > certificates. But we're talking about _almost > a whole > > > year_, folks! Amma's biological family may > have been > > > dirt-poor, but they almost certainly weren't > > > illiterate (kerala has the highest literacy > rate in > > > India, about the same as any western > first-world > > > country). Even if they weren't sure of the > date, and > > > didn't have a calendar hanging on a wall in > their > > > house, they would have had to be living under a > rock > > > not to know what year it was, 1952 or '53. > > > > > > Keval > > > > In order to understand why the "dates and times" > are not accurate, > > please be aware of a few facts that were > prevalent in much of India. > > > > 1. Much of the populace of India followed a lunar > calendar for events > > like birth of a child etc. The gregorian calendar > is in use today in > > urban places, but in rural India, lunar rules. > > 2. The lunar calendar is what is used to > calculate jyotish > > predictions, not the gregorian (solar) calendar. > > 3. Most folks of that age (born before 1965 > approx) do not know their > > actual birthdates; and if they do, it is only > vaguely so. My parents > > are examples of the same. Going by the nakshatra > and the month, they > > say the birthdate this year is so-and-so. > > > > 4. This is the kicker. > > In all of India then (and in most rural places > and maybe some cities > > too even now), YOU DO NOT NAME THE CHILD AND > REGISTER IT'S BIRTH > > DETAILS with the government office WHILE LEAVING > THE HOSPITAL (i.e. > > assuming the delivery was done in a hospital). > > The child is named usually after 28 (or 21 or 40) > days of birth, and > > the birth certificate is created "whenever > convinient for the parents > > to go to the birth registrar office". > > > > As an aside, ask any Indian who had to apply for > his green card in the > > US, what a nightmare this causes even now! Why, > ask me! My birth > > certificate was created in Malayalam with a name > "Sai Narayanan alias > > Manojkumar Menon", and that too a good 2-3 years > after I was born, > > because it was needed for me to be admitted to > school! As for making > > it "convinient" for US authorities to understand, > I had to fax and > > fedex affidavits proving my birth date and name > in the certificate are > > legal and representative of me, and why > "official" name is on the > > right side of the "alias" and not the left side. > > > > > > > I'm wondering about that too. What else could > the Amma organization > > > be hiding, obfuscating, or outright lying > about? > > > > To put it explicitly, all this means is that the > documentation of the > > event of a birth is an entirely different > universe in India than it is > > in most developed countries, SO PLEASE DO NOT > JUDGE SNIPPETS OF FACTS > > suspiciously. I know the above statement was > well-intentioned, and > > hopefully my response has helped clarify things a > bit. > > > > I believe, this is the major cause for the > confusion in the recording > > of the CORRECT GREGORIAN DATE IN MOST BIRTH > EVENTS from India, and > > Amma's also. > > > > As for hiding or obfuscating, I know what they > are thinking - it must > > be something like this: " it's a pain and a > waste of energy and time > > to explain all of this to all the people who come > asking questions > > like this, so why even let them know about this? > ignorance is bliss! > > Besides, folks would be better off using their > time contemplating > > spiritual truths which is why they came here in > the first place." > > > > I would have thought likewise too, considering > how much time I spent > > typing this mail (and if I had to do this over > and over again till the > > end of time whenever somebody asked me a question > like this). > > > > Jai Ma! > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ▪  Visit your group "Ammachi" on > the web. > >  > > ▪  To from this group, > send an email to: > >  Ammachi > >  > > ▪  Your use of is > subject to the Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Beliefs of hinduism Different religions beliefs > Hinduism religion Ammachi > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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