Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Hi All, I am on tour in New York City and having a great time with Amma. However, I did check my e-mail very briefly this morning and read Amritavarshini's post indicating that there may have been some criticism of me for telling the truth about Amma's "new" birthdate. So, somewhat in mental turmoil, I went to the morning program and was serendipitously (there are no accidents) asked to give prasad. When I came near Amma she gave me a knowing look. Then I went to sit in "my" spot in the balcony, which happens to be in easy view of Prasanan, the astrologer. Somehow it "just happened" that he was free, so I went over to speak with him about this matter. Me: Excuse me, Prasanan, I understand that October 7, 1952 is now believed to be Amma's correct date of birth. Prasanan: That is in fact known to be her date of birth. M: Well, I was having a discussion with someone who didn't believe that it wasn't Sept. 27, 1953. Prasanan: Well, the organization isn't making a big deal about it because she's internationally known, and that's the date on her passport. But she herself, when asked about the tsunami last year, said, "I have never in my 52 years seen anything like this." Me: Okay, thanks! As an information professional I deal only in facts as I understand them, not in fantasy--at least usually :-). I will tell the truth until I die, regardless of what others think. My humble thanks to Amma for giving me the triple blessing of her knowing look, giving prasad into her sweet hand, and having the opportunity to speak with Prasanan before this drags on too long. Anyone else who wishes to speak to Prasanan is most welcome to confirm. At Amma's darling lotus feet, Jyotsna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > Hi All, > > > > Me: Excuse me, Prasanan, I understand that October 7, 1952 is > now believed to be Amma's correct date of birth. > > Prasanan: That is in fact known to be her date of birth. > > M: Well, I was having a discussion with someone who didn't > believe that it wasn't Sept. 27, 1953. > > >Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Namaskarams to All! you may ignore the former posting i guess, in light of Jyotsna's research.... aha!! the Horse's mouth..thank you for clearing that issue for us, Jyotsna. i stand not only corrected but humbled..and i still wonder why such a falsehood should have been perpetrated...if they have known that Amma's real birthday was Oct. 2 1952, i wonder why then that wasn't the given birthdate all along??? it doesn't really make sense to me unless there is some purpose in the lie that i can't see (which is quite likely...and as i said, whom am i to think that i can understand Amma's Leelas...) humbly feeding the crows, in Amma's Love, and in Her service, i bow to the truth! as ever, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > > Me: Excuse me, Prasanan, I understand that October 7, 1952 is > now believed to be Amma's correct date of birth. > > Prasanan: That is in fact known to be her date of birth. > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Namaskarams to all! Please, Jytosna, forgive my questioning your information, or your sources of that info....i will try to remove that size 13 foot from my mouth now.... i wonder if you, Jyotsna, would be interested to pursue the quest on Amma's birthdata, even a little further, such as to get the TIME of Amma's birth as far as Prasannan appears to know it?? with this chart, giving Moon In Purvabhadrapada (in Aquarius) i believe it would make no sense to celebrate Mother's Birthstar day when Moon transits through Krittika!! i wonder what is so special about Krittika, that they wanted to give that birthstar to Amma.... again, i am left wondering why it was felt necessary to propagate a lie in reference to Amma's birth data...it's not like She's some politician or movie star or something like that, that wants to keep such information OUT of the hands of the public... Again i think it would have been much better to have not stated ANY birth data, rather than to have lied about it...that leaves a very bad taste in one's mouth, especially when Mother is held to represent TRUTH, in the form of the Sanatana Dharma...it is beyond me how One can be a representative of Sanatana Dharma and yet lie about one's birthdata, or anything else for that matter!! i guess at 53, this child of Hers is still extremely naive and gullible...just try and sell him the brooklyn bridge....and he'll likely go for it.... again, humbly feeding the crows (Saturn's friends) and bowing most deeply in chagrin to that Mighty Lord Shani! yet, in Mother's Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Viswanathanji and Jyothsnaji, Oct 2 is still not a bad day to be born - three planets in own house even without knowing the time. It is still not as good as Sep 27 1953 though. So what is the moral of the story - that clearly this shows that stars do not have much relevance to Amma's life. How can She who controls the planets be subject to their influence - this is my humble suggestion :- ). -yogaman > known that Amma's real birthday was Oct. 2 1952, i wonder why then > that wasn't the given birthdate all along??? it doesn't really make Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Vishwanathaji, You raise a very good point and I too feel that it is simply not acceptable to take some other day as the birthday - it also looks somewhat ridiculous especially when the birthday celebrations get very grand as for Amritavarsham. Perhaps there is a very good reason for this, something we should certainly pursue.... It is again possible that Oct 2 is not the right birthday and that Sep 27 is the correct day.... bear in mind that Amma's parents were very poor and pretty much led a hand to mouth existence. I am not even sure if they knew how to read or write, their priorities were survival and keeping track of birthdays could hardly figure in their scheme of things... -yogaman Ammachi, "kasi_visvanath" <kasi_visvanath> wrote: > Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > > > > Me: Excuse me, Prasanan, I understand that October 7, 1952 is > > now believed to be Amma's correct date of birth. > > > > Prasanan: That is in fact known to be her date of birth. > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! > > Namaskarams to all! > > Please, Jytosna, forgive my questioning your information, or your > sources of that info....i will try to remove that size 13 foot from > my mouth now.... > > i wonder if you, Jyotsna, would be interested to pursue the quest on > Amma's birthdata, even a little further, such as to get the TIME of > Amma's birth as far as Prasannan appears to know it?? > > with this chart, giving Moon In Purvabhadrapada (in Aquarius) i > believe it would make no sense to celebrate Mother's Birthstar day > when Moon transits through Krittika!! i wonder what is so special > about Krittika, that they wanted to give that birthstar to Amma.... > > again, i am left wondering why it was felt necessary to propagate a > lie in reference to Amma's birth data...it's not like She's some > politician or movie star or something like that, that wants to keep > such information OUT of the hands of the public... > > Again i think it would have been much better to have not stated ANY > birth data, rather than to have lied about it...that leaves a very > bad taste in one's mouth, especially when Mother is held to represent > TRUTH, in the form of the Sanatana Dharma...it is beyond me how One > can be a representative of Sanatana Dharma and yet lie about one's > birthdata, or anything else for that matter!! > > i guess at 53, this child of Hers is still extremely naive and > gullible...just try and sell him the brooklyn bridge....and he'll > likely go for it.... > > again, humbly feeding the crows (Saturn's friends) > and bowing > most deeply in chagrin > to that Mighty Lord Shani! > yet, in Mother's Love, > and in Her Service, > > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > Vishwanathaji, > > You raise a very good point and I too feel that it is simply not > acceptable to take some other day as the birthday - it also looks > somewhat ridiculous especially when the birthday celebrations get > very grand as for Amritavarsham. Perhaps there is a very good reason > for this, something we should certainly pursue.... > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Namaskarams!! No, it doesn't seem acceptable to me either...it leaves one feeling somehwat betrayed so to speak...and it could make one wonder what else is not being dealt with truthfully...i am surprised that Amma would stand for such untruth in regards to her birth data to be publicly accessible...i cannot see what harm it would have been to tell the simple truth...WHATEVER it might be...even to have forgotten is much better than misrepresenting the truth... or if one was going to tell an untruth...to simply say that no one knew, just as in Sri Maa's case...these would feel ever so much better that to mislead us with the absolute wrong data....it's like manufacturing a newly minted, more "acceptable" identity, for public consumption... Who are we trying to impress when we do this kind of thing? the upper classes? the Brahmins and Jyotishis? it's certainly NOT geared for us foreigners, because i suspect we were not in the forefront of the minds of the folks who apparently so neatly rearranged Mother's birthday to fit their ideas of a Mahatma's birth date..... in puzzled frustration, still feeding the crows, empty of any understanding, wondering, only, in mute anger, why? yet in Her Love, and in Her Service as best it is understood, as ever, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Namah Shivaya Visvanath You need to slow down a little bit. Amma's birth star would still be Krittika with Oct 7 looks like you are in a tizzy over this birthdate and you must be looking at Oct 2 birthdate and not Oct 7. Looks like the shoe is still in your mouth please take it off. Ammachi, "kasi_visvanath" <kasi_visvanath> wrote: > Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > > > > Me: Excuse me, Prasanan, I understand that October 7, 1952 is > > now believed to be Amma's correct date of birth. > > > > Prasanan: That is in fact known to be her date of birth. > > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! > > Namaskarams to all! > > Please, Jytosna, forgive my questioning your information, or your > sources of that info....i will try to remove that size 13 foot from > my mouth now.... > > i wonder if you, Jyotsna, would be interested to pursue the quest on > Amma's birthdata, even a little further, such as to get the TIME of > Amma's birth as far as Prasannan appears to know it?? > > with this chart, giving Moon In Purvabhadrapada (in Aquarius) i > believe it would make no sense to celebrate Mother's Birthstar day > when Moon transits through Krittika!! i wonder what is so special > about Krittika, that they wanted to give that birthstar to Amma.... > > again, i am left wondering why it was felt necessary to propagate a > lie in reference to Amma's birth data...it's not like She's some > politician or movie star or something like that, that wants to keep > such information OUT of the hands of the public... > > Again i think it would have been much better to have not stated ANY > birth data, rather than to have lied about it...that leaves a very > bad taste in one's mouth, especially when Mother is held to represent > TRUTH, in the form of the Sanatana Dharma...it is beyond me how One > can be a representative of Sanatana Dharma and yet lie about one's > birthdata, or anything else for that matter!! > > i guess at 53, this child of Hers is still extremely naive and > gullible...just try and sell him the brooklyn bridge....and he'll > likely go for it.... > > again, humbly feeding the crows (Saturn's friends) > and bowing > most deeply in chagrin > to that Mighty Lord Shani! > yet, in Mother's Love, > and in Her Service, > > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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