Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Shree Maa of the Devi Mandir claims that there is no record of her birth and that family members do not know when she was born (even when her mother was alive.) She also will not give out her birth name. I always liked the fact that Amma was so open about her family roots and her given name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1@v...> wrote: > Shree Maa of the Devi Mandir claims that there is no record of her > birth.... Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! Namaskarams to my brothers and sisters! May Amma bless and protect you all always. perhaps Sree Maa doesn't wish the jyotishis to examine Her chart, and all the busybodies, like us, to dwell at length upon Her personal history....Often Holy women and men will disavow entirely their past familial life...i imagine it's not uncommon for them to say just like Sree Maa, that they have no idea when they were born...don't have to deal with the second guessers... however, that being said, i would indeed still be very surprised if strongly committed Hindu folks would not know when their beloved daughter or son was born, especially as any prospective groom or bride (family at least) would definitely want to know, such that they could take it to the Jyotishi for the relationship analysis, which most would want to do...at least to compare the Nakshatras....... but a swami or mahatma may not be interested in his/her followers dwelling upon all those details...to focus them on the present problem, which is THEMSELVES...and not the guru's details... thus the possible claim of forgetfulness...to keep private details of one's family life private... Amma on the other hand has Her Ashram at the family home, so it's impossible to keep the family life as personal and private as one might like, if based at an ashram hundreds of miles from home...besides Amma is being a little more like a householder, so to speak, in developing Her ashram at the family home...and i think that Her approach is one of utter transparency...what you see is what you get...nothing to hide...at least i believe that is the INTENT of Amma and the organisation as well. Also Amma is actively promoting the growth of Jyotish understanding among Her devotees....perhaps it's deliberate, to provide some instruction to those jyotishi types who might be interested... After all, we need only think of all the Brahmasthanam Temples that Amma has raised all over India...and that their purpose is to help to alleviate Astrological afflictions...such as afflictions by Mars, Saturn, and Rahu/Ketu. so that might go together with allowing the birth data to get out...as well, even if we DO have a correct birth chart of Amma...that doesn't mean that we'll really be understanding Her greatness any more than without it...How can one really hope to understand such a Mahatma as Amma? Who are we to think that we might really understand Amma? We just get little glimpses of this and that, whatever our limited understandings can encompass...whatever She thinks that we might be needing at this time.... i do think it would be more difficult for Her to promote Jyotish and its remedial systems if She were less forthcoming about Her OWN birth details... who knows why really....just my ramblings... In Amma's Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Thank you. This helps me to understand. On Jul 16, 2005, at 10:14 PM, kasi_visvanath wrote: > Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1@v...> wrote: > > Shree Maa of the Devi Mandir claims that there is no record of her > > birth.... > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! > > Namaskarams to my brothers and sisters! > > May Amma bless and protect you all always. > > perhaps Sree Maa doesn't wish the jyotishis to examine Her chart, and > all the busybodies, like us, to dwell at length upon Her personal > history....Often Holy women and men will disavow entirely their past > familial life...i imagine it's not uncommon for them to say just like > Sree Maa, that they have no idea when they were born...don't have to > deal with the second guessers... > > however, that being said, i would indeed still be very surprised if > strongly committed Hindu folks would not know when their beloved > daughter or son was born, especially as any prospective groom or > bride (family at least) would definitely want to know, such that they > could take it to the Jyotishi for the relationship analysis, which > most would want to do...at least to compare the Nakshatras....... > > but a swami or mahatma may not be interested in his/her followers > dwelling upon all those details...to focus them on the present > problem, which is THEMSELVES...and not the guru's details... > > thus the possible claim of forgetfulness...to keep private details of > one's family life private... > > Amma on the other hand has Her Ashram at the family home, so it's > impossible to keep the family life as personal and private as one > might like, if based at an ashram hundreds of miles from > home...besides Amma is being a little more like a householder, so to > speak, in developing Her ashram at the family home...and i think that > Her approach is one of utter transparency...what you see is what you > get...nothing to hide...at least i believe that is the INTENT of Amma > and the organisation as well. > > Also Amma is actively promoting the growth of Jyotish understanding > among Her devotees....perhaps it's deliberate, to provide some > instruction to those jyotishi types who might be interested... > After all, we need only think of all the Brahmasthanam Temples that > Amma has raised all over India...and that their purpose is to help to > alleviate Astrological afflictions...such as afflictions by Mars, > Saturn, and Rahu/Ketu. so that might go together with allowing the > birth data to get out...as well, even if we DO have a correct birth > chart of Amma...that doesn't mean that we'll really be understanding > Her greatness any more than without it...How can one really hope to > understand such a Mahatma as Amma? Who are we to think that we might > really understand Amma? We just get little glimpses of this and that, > whatever our limited understandings can encompass...whatever She > thinks that we might be needing at this time.... > > i do think it would be more difficult for Her to promote Jyotish and > its remedial systems if She were less forthcoming about Her OWN birth > details... > > who knows why really....just my ramblings... > > In Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > â–ª Â Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > Â > â–ª Â > Â Ammachi > Â > â–ª Â Terms of > Service. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Ammachi, "kasi_visvanath" <kasi_visvanath> wrote: "How can one really hope to understand such a Mahatma as Amma? Who are we to think that we might really understand Amma? We just get little glimpses of this and that,whatever our limited understandings can encompass...whatever She thinks that we might be needing at this time...." Jai Kali Amma! So well said, Visvanathanji! Aum Amriteshwaryai Namaha! At Her Feet, muktimaa > Ammachi, Ardis Jackson <ardis1@v...> wrote: > > Shree Maa of the Devi Mandir claims that there is no record of her > > birth.... > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! > > Namaskarams to my brothers and sisters! > > May Amma bless and protect you all always. > > perhaps Sree Maa doesn't wish the jyotishis to examine Her chart, and > all the busybodies, like us, to dwell at length upon Her personal > history....Often Holy women and men will disavow entirely their past > familial life...i imagine it's not uncommon for them to say just like > Sree Maa, that they have no idea when they were born...don't have to > deal with the second guessers... > > however, that being said, i would indeed still be very surprised if > strongly committed Hindu folks would not know when their beloved > daughter or son was born, especially as any prospective groom or > bride (family at least) would definitely want to know, such that they > could take it to the Jyotishi for the relationship analysis, which > most would want to do...at least to compare the Nakshatras....... > > but a swami or mahatma may not be interested in his/her followers > dwelling upon all those details...to focus them on the present > problem, which is THEMSELVES...and not the guru's details... > > thus the possible claim of forgetfulness...to keep private details of > one's family life private... > > Amma on the other hand has Her Ashram at the family home, so it's > impossible to keep the family life as personal and private as one > might like, if based at an ashram hundreds of miles from > home...besides Amma is being a little more like a householder, so to > speak, in developing Her ashram at the family home...and i think that > Her approach is one of utter transparency...what you see is what you > get...nothing to hide...at least i believe that is the INTENT of Amma > and the organisation as well. > > Also Amma is actively promoting the growth of Jyotish understanding > among Her devotees....perhaps it's deliberate, to provide some > instruction to those jyotishi types who might be interested... > After all, we need only think of all the Brahmasthanam Temples that > Amma has raised all over India...and that their purpose is to help to > alleviate Astrological afflictions...such as afflictions by Mars, > Saturn, and Rahu/Ketu. so that might go together with allowing the > birth data to get out...as well, even if we DO have a correct birth > chart of Amma...that doesn't mean that we'll really be understanding > Her greatness any more than without it...How can one really hope to > understand such a Mahatma as Amma? Who are we to think that we might > really understand Amma? We just get little glimpses of this and that, > whatever our limited understandings can encompass...whatever She > thinks that we might be needing at this time.... > > i do think it would be more difficult for Her to promote Jyotish and > its remedial systems if She were less forthcoming about Her OWN birth > details... > > who knows why really....just my ramblings... > > In Amma's Divine Love, > and in Her Service, > as ever, > > visvanathan > > Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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