Re:omniscience

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vallathnkumar

Ammachi

Wednesday, May 04, 2005 4:48 PM

Re: Amma's Omniscience and the Tsunami

 

 

Namaste, All,

 

I haven't been posting but I have been following this thread and hope to add

to it soon. It seems to me that I recall reading a passage in which Amma tells

one of the swamis-to-be (Neal, perhaps?) that she could remove a health

struggle he was experiencing but that it would cause him to reincarnate an

additional time. I also lightly recall having read that Amma 'knows' what She

should and should not change and acts accordingly. I'll try to find the

passages that reference these and post them as soon as I do.

 

I agree with Manoj that what appears to be 'good' or 'bad' may rest as much,

or more, with the seeker than the guru. We are advised that our manner of

supplication may impact our outcomes, and I am finding this to be true with my

own struggles. My health is not improving and I am not asking Mother to change

the path that has been set for (whatever that will be!) but on the rare

occassion that I literally cry for Her to help me carry the questions, Her peace

surrounds me like and there are no questions.

 

Please don't forget - any of us- that it is not ours to always know what is in

our own best interests. I abhor being sick and having an oxygen cannula strung

across my face every minute of every day - but I would not ask for the burden of

this to be removed. I am finding that good and bad aren't absolutes and that

there can be great peace in letting go. As Potak said, there is a certain

lightness in just being that makes clutching sheer folly.

 

Again, I'll post the passages as I can, but bear with me.

 

Your sister in Amma,

Snehalata

Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...> wrote:

> Ammachi, "vallathnkumar" <vallathn@h...>

wrote:

> > Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <ammasmon@s...>

wrote:

> > > 2. Amma is NOT OBLIGED to heal anyone of his karma; her

compassion

> > > makes her give the best beneficial (to the afflicted) help.

> >

> > The Divine Mother is certainly obligated to cure her children's

> > illnesses. You cannot say that she is the Divine Mother, and

then

> > let her off the hook. No-one says of an earthly mother, "Look,

she

> > is cooking/feeding/bathing her children -- how compassionate she

is!"

> >

> > Nandu

>

> The Divine Mother is in an Impersonal State of Ecstacy (for lack

of a

> better term) and does not understand that humans have "problems".

>

> How do I explain this? Let me try .... If we assume that

everything is

> consciousness, then even the speck of dust on my laptop is alive,

> which means even that speck of dust probably has problems and

trials

> and tribulations in "it's" life. But my state of being is such

that I

> do not (NORMALLY) even differentiate between one speck of dust and

the

> other as a separate existential entity, let alone know what it's

> problems are, and try to solve it. However if I somehow came to

know

> it had problems and that I would be able to help it, I would

probably

> do so out of compassion.

>

> Likewise with the Divine Mother ..... Her state of being is such

that

> She does not differentiate between one human and the other in her

> Tranquil Oneness state. However if this tranquility

were "disturbed"

> by sufficient inputs (read "whining, crying, screaming, pleading,

> praying, and kicking around" by a human), then She percieves a

> difficulty and can do something about it.

>

> The analogy is not perfect, but I hope you get to appreciate that

the

> Divine Mystics like Amma are human in appearance only; they do not

> (NORMALLY) think and feel like humans, yet at other times (when

their

> compassion is aroused), they think and feel with the capacity of

> superhumans! That's the beauty of this apparent contradiction.

>

> Seeing instances like the latter (superhuman compassion), we start

> giving her names like the Divine Mother, but it is my contention

that

> by limiting Her to that name, we have begun to understand ONLY A

VERY

> SMALL ASPECT OF THE MYSTIC WE CALL AMMA!

>

> Nandu, coming back to your remark:

> Armed with this bakground, the Divine Mother is obligated only if:

> 1. The recipient accepts and believes She is the Divine Mother, and

> 2. The recipient requests Her (strongly enough) for intervention,

and

> 3. The recipient has the Grace to receive a healing (this

parameter, I

> admit, is a huge unknown for me in terms of understanding, but I

> accept it as essential hoping to understand this better when Amma

will

> bless me with more maturity and insight).

>

> Jai Ma!

 

Manoj, You are conveniently calling the Divine Mother compassionate

when something good happens, and conveniently saying that she is

beyond all this when something bad happens (instead of simply

lacking in compassion, or negligent). Sorry, doesn't work.

 

Nandu

 

 

 

 

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