Is Amma an Avatar and Omniscient?

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Amarnath,

 

I really enjoyed reading your take on this. I can only speak from personal

experience, and personal experience has shown me that Amma is indeed

omniscient.

 

I cannot find another way to explain how a pure white dove could land on the

windsheild of my car while driving in downtown Boston during construction

work while being accompanied by a strong blast of Amma's signature

fragrance. This happened as we were driving back from darshan and was a

most moving experience that I cannot attribute to any type of coincidence.

White doves don't just plummet down from the sky and land on your car at

3AM during busy downtown construction work....not to mention the scent that

permeated the car at that moment.

 

This is just an example. I have had many similar things happen, and I am

certain at least a handful of others on this board can attest to similar

situations. If these events are not examples of Amma's Omniscence, then

what are they? Are they mere illusions of our mind? I find that more

impossible to believe than the idea of Omniscense. In fact, the only other

conclusion I can come up with is that Amma's shakti causes divine beings,

guides, angels (whatever you want to call them) to show up in our lives and

cause these events to happen. Then....is that some kind of subtle

omniscense?

 

I would be interested in hearing others "unexplained events" as related to

Amma.

 

Namaste,

 

Michelle

 

 

 

Ammachi, "Amarnath" <anatol_zinc> wrote:

>

> Is Amma an Avatar and Omniscient? Here is my 2cents worth.

>

> Most of this is what my mind remembers from reading "Awaken

> Children," listening to Swami Paramatmananda's satsang tapes, etc.

>

> Swami points out that our belief that someone is an Avatar is mostly

> based on what someone tells us and not necessarily on our own

> experience. So, when introducing Amma to someone new, it is safer to

> tell about Her compassion, hugs and many selfless service projects

> rather than say that She is an Avatar.

>

> Of course we may have some insightful spiritual experiences and then

> the mind takes that, analyzes and arrives at various conclusions. To

> my mind( trained in science ) it seems that we cannot know 100% if

> some one is an Avatar, Enlightened or Omniscient unless we ourselves

> are.

>

> Oooops, my partner just disagreed with me. She said "I, Samarpana, am

> not enlightened but I know that Amma is an Avatar." This is pure

> bhakti and those of you who are pure bhaktas need not read any

> further. The logic may feel too painful. But for the rest, read on.

> Perhaps for many of us the path is a blend of bhakti, knowledge,

> selfless service, meditation, etc.

>

> Amma points out many times that spiritual experiences have to be

> experienced and cannot be fully expressed in words or understood 100%

> by the intellect. Amma points out that the first Guru did not speak

> but that he thought in silence and his students learned in silence.

> Amma also tells a story how when Buddha was enlightened, he did not

> want to come down from that place of Silent Oneness and speak

> because he felt the Absolute Truth could not be expressed in words.

> Buddha was finally overcome by compassion created by the many devas'

> prayers on behalf of suffering humanity and especially seekers of

> God. For the whole beautiful story, please see "Awaken Children" Vol

> 5, pages 55( bottom ) to 64.

>

> Concerning omniscience ~ Amma tells us it is OK to attach ourselves

> to Amma via devotion, selfless service, respect, etc but that we

> should also remember that Amma is not only the body-mind we see and

> hear but that She is also beyond. To us Amma should be both the

> person we interact with and the Cosmic Divine Mother. So it is the

> Cosmic Mother that is, let us say, Fully Omniscient. And it is this

> same Cosmic Mother that is manifesting as Amma's body, as your body,

> as my body, etc. What we do not know is what the interaction is

> between Cosmic Mother and Amma as body-mind. And, being ignorant(

not-

> enlightened ) we do not even know what that interaction is for each

> of us. We are also told that God is the only doer ~ that God does all

> ~ but this is another point that is hard for us to understand

> intellectually without the experience.

>

> Anticipating this Q from someone. Is not Amma beyond body-mind? Amma

> explains that a Mahatma is one who has gone beyond mind and abides in

> a state of no-mind. But, if the Mahatma chooses to help others out of

> compassion, He/She creates a suitable mind( full of compassion )

> which can function in the world and interact with people.

>

> There are several stories of Amma appearing to people not only in

> visions and dreams but also physically( not always in the familiar

> body ). Also other saints have been reported to appear in two

> different places at the same time. One such story of a saint is ~

> she was invited to two different spiritual functions ~ she sent

> regrets to one ~ but later was told that she came anyway ~ she

> replied it must have been the devas satisfying the strong devotional

> desires of the devotees.

>

> When our minds are presented with such experiences, the thoughts in

> the head stop and our awareness gets drawn into the heart. This also

> happens when we watch Amma hugging thousands hour after hour, after

> hour ~ can you imagine 30,000 hugs in 22 hours? This happens in India

> ~ 2 secs per hug.

>

> What else is there to say? Do not expect too much from logic, mind,

> words. Use them economically to function in world efficiently. And

> learn to dwell in the heart more.

>

> Jai Amma,

> amarnath

> ps ~ yes i feel Amma is an Avatar