Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Many lives lost in Tsunami disaster. Most of the people died near Mata Amritananda Mayi's Ashram. I was a follower of Amritanda Mayi. Swamis including Amrita Swaroopnnada, Neil told me she is the incarnation of God. Her biography tells that she has the power to foresee things. The book tells that she predicted, former Indian PM, Indira Gandhi's assassination. This claim later proved to be wrong. The incarnation of All Mighty could have avoided this disaster by using her power to predict future. After 6 years I got the revelation; no difference between Mayi and the TV evangelists. None of her predictions came true inmy life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 on 12/28/04 9:37 AM, sc_nj5 at sc_nj5 wrote: > Many lives lost in Tsunami disaster. Most of the people died near > Mata Amritananda Mayi's Ashram. Considering the scope of the disaster, only a tiny fraction died there. None died in the ashram, as Amma took appropriate measures to get people off the beach, to higher floors, etc. > I was a follower of Amritanda Mayi. Swamis including Amrita > Swaroopnnada, Neil told me she is the incarnation of God. > Her biography tells that she has the power to foresee things. The > book tells that she predicted, former Indian PM, Indira Gandhi's > assassination. > This claim later proved to be wrong. The incarnation of All Mighty > could have avoided this disaster by using her power to predict future. Krishna didn't avert the Mahabharata war. Whether Amma is an avatar or not, Nature has to run its course. Some karma can't be averted. Amma has predicted many things and tried to prevent the ones within her sphere of influence, such as the explosion in the San Ramon ashram, but even if Amma is an avatar, she's working through a human nervous system (I presume) and that has it's limitations. Omniscience doesn't mean knowing everything everywhere. It means knowing what you're divinely inspired to know. > After 6 years I got the revelation; no difference between Mayi and > the TV evangelists. Not sure what planet you're living on, but there sure is a difference by comparison with US televangelists. > > None of her predictions came true inmy life. What did she predict for your life? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Ammachi, "sc_nj5" <sc_nj5> wrote: > > The incarnation of All Mighty could have avoided this disaster by > using her power to predict future. > After 6 years I got the revelation; no difference between Mayi and > the TV evangelists. Rick's response to you is beautiful. Let me also add this..... The "incarnation of All Mighty" is UNDER NO OBLIGATION to save (or for that matter harm) anyone. Equally well, you can't judge the quality of an avatar by checking if he or she has SAVED PEOPLE IN EVENTS THAT AFFECTED YOU. If that were one of the criteria, she would have to save everyone in this world (because almost everyone will have somebody else who would need that person to be saved). Her only job is to help people realize their true nature and live well; in the midst of that focussed job, she undertakes numerous charities on a social scale and also tries to protect her children who have taken refuge in her. If you understand this much, you will realize that your accusation is one of incorrect expectations of the 'job profile' of an avatar. Comparing Amma to TV evangelists? you got to be kidding. I take it that it was more of an emotional response from your side (emotions because of the tsunami news?) than a serious assertion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2004 Report Share Posted December 28, 2004 Namah Shivaya Sc_NJ5 Yes , it is sad that many lives have been lost. A life is a life; it does not matter if it is near Amma’s ashram or if it is any where else in any part of the world for that matter. Any one telling you anything is always based on their experiences and interpretations. And these interpretations are made with the individuals mind. There is a truth beyond all this. I say this with my very limited intellectual understanding after reading scriptures like the Bagavad Gita. I am not saying this based on my personal understanding of reality. So based on some one elses understanding and experiences this may be totally absurd. So if some one tells that Amma is 'God' that is based on their intellectual understanding and you don’t have to take it , you can come to your own conclusion based on your experiences , thinking and understanding. This applies for anything in life. Based on your understanding of Amma, you have come to the conclusion that if Amma is God then why could she not prevent what happened or even warned people in advance. Ok let us assume that Amma is not God, but if you believe in any God in any form, why should God create such an earth quake? Did God not know in advance that many lives would be lost ? So does that mean that there is no God because if there was one then this would not have happened? Why is there evil in the world if God is there? Why did we have people like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden ? It is popularly believed that Nostradamus had the ability to predict the future. So was he God ? What I am trying to say is that with our very limited understanding of the world we can’t comprehend the actions of a realized master like Amma or Jesus. A little bit of thinking will confirm this. Jesus being also a self realized master or God why did he allow him to be crucified? Swami Vivekananda was a self realized master, why could he not prevent his samadhi when he was 40 years old, Adi Shankara left the body when he was 32 years old. I don’t know if you are familiar with these names but the point is that the expectation that we set for 'God' or a self realized person with our limited understanding can't be correct. We can’t set expectations and say yes if the person is God then he or she has to do this and then this. When some of the villagers asked Amma that if you are God show us some miracles, Amma responded that even if I show not one but many miracles you will still not believe. If you get a chance try to read and understand what is explained in the Gita. You will find answers for many , if not all of your questions. And also you might at least intellectually understand why Amma is God. There are video lectures by Swami Chinmayananda about the Gita (54 video cassettes). You could watch that. Or read the Gita explained by a self realized master. Don’t loose your faith, I will pray to Amma that she shows you something to strengthen your faith. Please let me know if there is a way that I can help you to strengthen your faith. It does not have to be faith in Amma , but faith in the presence of a 'God' or truth , what ever you want to call it. For atleast intellectually I have understood that there is nothing other than Amma in this world. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Aum Amriteswaryai Namah! Dear friend, If you are not a follower of Ammachi, what are you doing in this list for followers? Pls read the below account of events preceding the event of tsunami hitting the beach near Amritapuri. There were more than 10, 000 devotees from outside of the ashram the day the Tsunami hit. Announcements were made one and half hours prior to the flood through the PA systems both to the ashram residents and the villagers to move to the high raise buildings. The crowd included many young children and not even one of the visitors or ashram residents were hurt by the flood. Amma reiterated that this was God's grace. Before the Tsunami hit, the water in the sea had resided and a new stretch of sand beaches were formed. Many people had gone to watch this strange phenomenon. Amma had sent Brahmacharis asking devotees to run to the tall raise buildings and this saved the lifes of many. >From the above its quite clear that Amma had done Her part to save the people. Before u post messages like the one you just sent, please gather adequate information regarding the event. Pls note these points: 1. Avtars do not incarnate to change the course of nature (nor to work as weather forecasters). 2. Amma sustains prakriti (nature), and do not cause imbalance in it. (Its people like u and me who cause the imbalance.) 3. Amma helps people realise their true nature and takes them BEYOND death. SHE DOES NOT STOP DEATH! 4. Miracles are the results of the overflowing compassion to a prepared soul, not the whim of a enlightened soul.(Amma need not attempt to control any event, the devatas surrounding Her are more than enough to create and destroy universes!) Its we who need to mend our ways, and not expect Krishna or Amma stop wars and disasters. who are tv evangelists.. and what have they got to do with God realisation and human immancipation...? "...None of her predictions came true inmy life." Amma is not a soothsayer entrusted with the job of predicting life's events. If u r surrendered, She is gonna save you from all misfortunes and take u beyond the cycle of life and death itself! (Amma has averted many accidents and misfortunes in my life and in the lifes of so many families in know personally) Meanwhile, Amma has planned to go ahead and build houses for the villagers. But at first she wants to build some temporary houses where the people can move into and start leading a normal life. The ashram is also planning to supply them with cooking utensils. Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavanthu... Namah Sivaya! In Amma, arun - sc_nj5 Ammachi Tuesday, December 28, 2004 7:37 PM Mata's Prediction Many lives lost in Tsunami disaster. Most of the people died near Mata Amritananda Mayi's Ashram. I was a follower of Amritanda Mayi. Swamis including Amrita Swaroopnnada, Neil told me she is the incarnation of God. Her biography tells that she has the power to foresee things. The book tells that she predicted, former Indian PM, Indira Gandhi's assassination. This claim later proved to be wrong. The incarnation of All Mighty could have avoided this disaster by using her power to predict future. After 6 years I got the revelation; no difference between Mayi and the TV evangelists. None of her predictions came true inmy life. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Ammachi, "B. Arun Raj" <arunraj@e...> wrote: > Aum Amriteswaryai Namah! > > 4. Miracles are the results of the overflowing compassion to a prepared soul, not the whim of a enlightened soul.(Amma need not attempt to control any event, the devatas surrounding Her are more than enough to create and destroy universes!) > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavanthu... > > Namah Sivaya! > In Amma, > arun This is very very good! Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Ammachi, "B. Arun Raj" <arunraj@e...> wrote: > Aum Amriteswaryai Namah! > > Dear friend, > > If you are not a follower of Ammachi, what are you doing in this list for followers? > > Pls read the below account of events preceding the event of tsunami hitting the beach near Amritapuri. > There were more than 10, 000 devotees from outside of the ashram This is really a miracle. 10,000 people within the ashram which is located right on the sea shore and not one person died. A few hundred people living outside of the ashram and most of them died. What further testimony regarding Amma's divinity is needed. -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > > Dear friend, > > > This is really a miracle. 10,000 people within the ashram which is > located right on the sea shore and not one person died. A few > hundred people living outside of the ashram and most of them died. > What further testimony regarding Amma's divinity is needed. > > -yogaman Dear Yogaman, This does not seem like Amma. She protects her own and leaves others to die?? Maybe when things settle down, we can ask her why she waited till the tail end of the tsunami hit her ashram before she threw in her sari shawl. Why didn't she do it BEFORE the first waves hit Thailand? Amazing, uh... she throws in her sari and the water recedes! Anamika Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 > > Amazing, uh... she throws in her sari and the water > recedes! > Like Captain America throwing his mighty shield! Some superheroes wear red capes.. others wear white saris. Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Mother's saris are extremely absorbant! Love, Romi --- anamikafisher <anamikafisher wrote: > > Amazing, uh... she throws in her sari and the water > recedes! > > Anamika ===== Wouldn't take nothing for my journey now... Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. http://celebrity.mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2005 Report Share Posted January 4, 2005 Hi everyone ! In the wake of all of this I remember growing up in Chicago and my Mother always saying that God does everything for a reason. Maybe just maybe it is to bring us all together regardless of religion. God Bless you all and I hope the worst is over....Lets just try to be better people and treat others like we want to be treated..... Amma St Louis <showmeamma wrote: Namah Shivaya Sc_NJ5 Yes , it is sad that many lives have been lost. A life is a life; it does not matter if it is near Amma’s ashram or if it is any where else in any part of the world for that matter. Any one telling you anything is always based on their experiences and interpretations. And these interpretations are made with the individuals mind. There is a truth beyond all this. I say this with my very limited intellectual understanding after reading scriptures like the Bagavad Gita. I am not saying this based on my personal understanding of reality. So based on some one elses understanding and experiences this may be totally absurd. So if some one tells that Amma is 'God' that is based on their intellectual understanding and you don’t have to take it , you can come to your own conclusion based on your experiences , thinking and understanding. This applies for anything in life. Based on your understanding of Amma, you have come to the conclusion that if Amma is God then why could she not prevent what happened or even warned people in advance. Ok let us assume that Amma is not God, but if you believe in any God in any form, why should God create such an earth quake? Did God not know in advance that many lives would be lost ? So does that mean that there is no God because if there was one then this would not have happened? Why is there evil in the world if God is there? Why did we have people like Hitler and Osama Bin Laden ? It is popularly believed that Nostradamus had the ability to predict the future. So was he God ? What I am trying to say is that with our very limited understanding of the world we can’t comprehend the actions of a realized master like Amma or Jesus. A little bit of thinking will confirm this. Jesus being also a self realized master or God why did he allow him to be crucified? Swami Vivekananda was a self realized master, why could he not prevent his samadhi when he was 40 years old, Adi Shankara left the body when he was 32 years old. I don’t know if you are familiar with these names but the point is that the expectation that we set for 'God' or a self realized person with our limited understanding can't be correct. We can’t set expectations and say yes if the person is God then he or she has to do this and then this. When some of the villagers asked Amma that if you are God show us some miracles, Amma responded that even if I show not one but many miracles you will still not believe. If you get a chance try to read and understand what is explained in the Gita. You will find answers for many , if not all of your questions. And also you might at least intellectually understand why Amma is God. There are video lectures by Swami Chinmayananda about the Gita (54 video cassettes). You could watch that. Or read the Gita explained by a self realized master. Don’t loose your faith, I will pray to Amma that she shows you something to strengthen your faith. Please let me know if there is a way that I can help you to strengthen your faith. It does not have to be faith in Amma , but faith in the presence of a 'God' or truth , what ever you want to call it. For atleast intellectually I have understood that there is nothing other than Amma in this world. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha Meet the all-new My – Try it today! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 As far as predictions are concerned , even in the 2005 Amma's predictions Amma stated quite firmly that what has to take place will take place , however through prayers the effect can be lessened . Who knows maybe it could be even worse , if it where not for all kinds of prayers and meditations being conducted currently . Our vision at times is limited and don't always see the bigger picture , for example a friend of my attends this meditation group Shambala ( I am not sure the name of it exactly ) , their Lama or priest sad this is a wave of compassion . What I think here is that people's hearts have been greatly moved all over the world , it is maybe strange that tragedy can ultimately move people towards compassion but such is way . Amma works tirelessly in helping others , the magnitude is limited only through perception of other people who as Ellen Lamb pointed out , are in search and need of love too. Developing compassion i think is a huge milestone in spiritual path , leads to helping and ultimately through help the perception of ego diminishes in its value . I take this minute to see the bigger picture that this current tragedy brings to the whole universe and let Amma heal tormented souls towards light . regards, Joanna P All your favorites on one personal page – Try My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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