Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 A friend of mine who was at the Michigan program reports the following experience: Amma¹s Chakras It is amazing to look at Amma¹s chakras‹this is what I saw. Starting from the bottom, her muladhara gives infinite stability and grounded strength, as if she is rooted in mother earth itself. Swadisthana is the source of unlimited Shakti and creativity. Truly her reservoir of energy is inexhaustible from there. Manipura has the fire of agni digesting and burning all the karmas of her devotees. She eats our sins the way others eat food. Then we come to her truly unbounded anahata, oh how lovely. Extending out over the whole world, the petals of her lotus are soft and alive with great rivers of love, flowing everywhere, soothing and delighting everyone she knows. It is as if she is hugging all the people¹s hearts all the time, with her own heart-petals. Something very mysterious happens in Amma¹s visudhi. First I saw her singing voice, but then like Siva, she seems to be swallowing poison. Her throat is blue and swollen with the evils of the world. All-seeing is Amma¹s ajna chakra, brilliant and piercing like a diamond. She knows everything. On top, her Sahasrara is a huge golden crown lighting the world with Consciousness and Bliss. She is Devi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Thank you for this, Rick. It is so beautiful and true. Jyotsna Rick Archer <rick wrote: A friend of mine who was at the Michigan program reports the following experience: Amma¹s Chakras It is amazing to look at Amma¹s chakras‹this is what I saw. Starting from the bottom, her muladhara gives infinite stability and grounded strength, as if she is rooted in mother earth itself. Swadisthana is the source of unlimited Shakti and creativity. Truly her reservoir of energy is inexhaustible from there. Manipura has the fire of agni digesting and burning all the karmas of her devotees. She eats our sins the way others eat food. Then we come to her truly unbounded anahata, oh how lovely. Extending out over the whole world, the petals of her lotus are soft and alive with great rivers of love, flowing everywhere, soothing and delighting everyone she knows. It is as if she is hugging all the people¹s hearts all the time, with her own heart-petals. Something very mysterious happens in Amma¹s visudhi. First I saw her singing voice, but then like Siva, she seems to be swallowing poison. Her throat is blue and swollen with the evils of the world. All-seeing is Amma¹s ajna chakra, brilliant and piercing like a diamond. She knows everything. On top, her Sahasrara is a huge golden crown lighting the world with Consciousness and Bliss. She is Devi. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 Hi Rick, What does this mean? It is just a baeutiful imagination of your friend, or is it something (s)he could actually "see" when (s)he saw Amma's body? If the latter, what spiritual exercises has he undergone to be able to "see" so? Also, what is the level of attainment of that person? Any more details on him are also welcome. Thanks! Jai Ma! Ammachi, Rick Archer <rick@s...> wrote: > A friend of mine who was at the Michigan program reports the following > experience: > > Amma¹s Chakras > > It is amazing to look at Amma¹s chakras‹this is what I saw. Starting from > the bottom, her muladhara gives infinite stability and grounded strength, as > if she is rooted in mother earth itself. Swadisthana is the source of > unlimited Shakti and creativity. Truly her reservoir of energy is > inexhaustible from there. Manipura has the fire of agni digesting and > burning all the karmas of her devotees. She eats our sins the way others eat > food. Then we come to her truly unbounded anahata, oh how lovely. Extending > out over the whole world, the petals of her lotus are soft and alive with > great rivers of love, flowing everywhere, soothing and delighting everyone > she knows. It is as if she is hugging all the people¹s hearts all the time, > with her own heart-petals. Something very mysterious happens in Amma¹s > visudhi. First I saw her singing voice, but then like Siva, she seems to be > swallowing poison. Her throat is blue and swollen with the evils of the > world. All-seeing is Amma¹s ajna chakra, brilliant and piercing like a > diamond. She knows everything. On top, her Sahasrara is a huge golden > crown lighting the world with Consciousness and Bliss. She is Devi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 I am not qualified to comment on the genuineness of her experience, but to her it is genuine, and I give her the benefit of the doubt. She has been meditating since she was a teenager (about 35 years), including many years of courses in which she meditated most of the day. Even now, her spiritual practices take hours every day. By her account, she is well established in Pure Consciousness. For example, she has been been witnessing sleep (maintaining Pure Consciousness during sleep and all other states) for decades. There are many people like this in Fairfield (Iowa), but most do not have subtle perception this clear. She also has a 13 year old son who has all kinds of subtle perception. on 12/3/04 3:40 PM, manoj_menon at ammasmon wrote: > > > Hi Rick, > > What does this mean? > > It is just a baeutiful imagination of your friend, or is it > something (s)he could actually "see" when (s)he saw Amma's body? > > If the latter, what spiritual exercises has he undergone to be able > to "see" so? Also, what is the level of attainment of that person? > Any more details on him are also welcome. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Dear Rick: Thanks very much for sharing this. It seems very plausible; I know of a very advanced SriVidya upasak(who has attained direct darshan of Devi) who told me that Amma was Devi Herself. I think most people (including myself) have no idea of the true extent of Amma's being. Regarding being fully aware sleep consciousness, this is called "Lucid Dreaming"(also known as Tibetan sleep Yoga) and is the topic of intense research at several top universities. Even for those who dont have dream consiousness, there is a simple thing to do - time your alarm in the middle of the night (when you are deep asleep) to wake you up and then when you go back to sleep, you have full consciousness during the dream (or at least will have good recall of the dream after waking up). Now the odd part is that whenever I have done this, I notice that most dreams are invariably Amma dreams. -yogaman Ammachi, Rick Archer <rick@s...> wrote: > I am not qualified to comment on the genuineness of her experience, but to > her it is genuine, and I give her the benefit of the doubt. She has been > meditating since she was a teenager (about 35 years), including many years > of courses in which she meditated most of the day. Even now, her spiritual > practices take hours every day. By her account, she is well established in > Pure Consciousness. For example, she has been been witnessing sleep > (maintaining Pure Consciousness during sleep and all other states) for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 I've heard of lucid dreaming, and it may be the same as witnessing sleep, or related to it, but witnessing sleep as I understand and occasionally experience it is maintenance of Pure Consciousness during sleep, which may be deep, dreamless sleep or dreaming. It's the same as maintaining it during the waking state. When one awakens to Self, it becomes a permanent substratum of all states of consciousness. Of course one realizes that It has always been that, but now it is self-evident. on 12/4/04 11:44 AM, childofdevi at childofdevi wrote: > > > Dear Rick: > > Thanks very much for sharing this. It seems very plausible; I know of > a very advanced SriVidya upasak(who has attained direct darshan of > Devi) who told me that Amma was Devi Herself. I think most people > (including myself) have no idea of the true extent of Amma's being. > > Regarding being fully aware sleep consciousness, this is > called "Lucid Dreaming"(also known as Tibetan sleep Yoga) and is the > topic of intense research at several top universities. Even for those > who dont have dream consiousness, there is a simple thing to do - > time your alarm in the middle of the night (when you are deep asleep) > to wake you up and then when you go back to sleep, you have full > consciousness during the dream (or at least will have good recall of > the dream after waking up). Now the odd part is that whenever I have > done this, I notice that most dreams are invariably Amma dreams. > > > -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Namah Shivaya Rick, Yogaman and others, thans for these beautiful emails. Yes as Yogaman says we have no clue of Amma's true infinitude. I also know of a person who has been a Devi upsaka for many many years, who had visions of Devi when the person first saw Amma. But i must say that we are lucky indeed. Lucky that , in spite of not being able to see Amma's chakras or not being able to see any vision, we still feel that Amma is Devi. By Her grace, we have faith( at least to some extent) in Her Divinity. Thats because even though we ack the subtle perception to see chakras, or are undeserving of any visions, Amma has made sure that we can feel the one unmistakable sign of Her divinity- Her perfect Love. bala Dear Rick: Thanks very much for sharing this. It seems very plausible; I know of a very advanced SriVidya upasak(who has attained direct darshan of Devi) who told me that Amma was Devi Herself. I think most people (including myself) have no idea of the true extent of Amma's being. Regarding being fully aware sleep consciousness, this is called "Lucid Dreaming"(also known as Tibetan sleep Yoga) and is the topic of intense research at several top universities. Even for those who dont have dream consiousness, there is a simple thing to do - time your alarm in the middle of the night (when you are deep asleep) to wake you up and then when you go back to sleep, you have full consciousness during the dream (or at least will have good recall of the dream after waking up). Now the odd part is that whenever I have done this, I notice that most dreams are invariably Amma dreams. -yogaman Ammachi, Rick Archer <rick@s...> wrote: > I am not qualified to comment on the genuineness of her experience, but to > her it is genuine, and I give her the benefit of the doubt. She has been > meditating since she was a teenager (about 35 years), including many years > of courses in which she meditated most of the day. Even now, her spiritual > practices take hours every day. By her account, she is well established in > Pure Consciousness. For example, she has been been witnessing sleep > (maintaining Pure Consciousness during sleep and all other states) for Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi The all-new My – Get yours free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Namahshivaya Bala, As for I know Amma is the one who draws the chakras in people life, so how can we find chakras in Amma.No doubt Amma is a devine mother who embraces her children with pure love. In my first visit I asked her something (it is personal) still she didn't consider me.I don't know how many years she wants to test me.I have no plans to have another birth.Because of my personal problems I couldn't come to Nov.Retreat.I would like to know how was it.I am really missing her a lot. In my Amma, Sunanda - "balakrishnan Shankar" <balakrishnan_sh <Ammachi> Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:20 PM Re: Re: Amma¹s Chakras Namah Shivaya Rick, Yogaman and others, thans for these beautiful emails. Yes as Yogaman says we have no clue of Amma's true infinitude. I also know of a person who has been a Devi upsaka for many many years, who had visions of Devi when the person first saw Amma. But i must say that we are lucky indeed. Lucky that , in spite of not being able to see Amma's chakras or not being able to see any vision, we still feel that Amma is Devi. By Her grace, we have faith( at least to some extent) in Her Divinity. Thats because even though we ack the subtle perception to see chakras, or are undeserving of any visions, Amma has made sure that we can feel the one unmistakable sign of Her divinity- Her perfect Love. bala Dear Rick: Thanks very much for sharing this. It seems very plausible; I know of a very advanced SriVidya upasak(who has attained direct darshan of Devi) who told me that Amma was Devi Herself. I think most people (including myself) have no idea of the true extent of Amma's being. Regarding being fully aware sleep consciousness, this is called "Lucid Dreaming"(also known as Tibetan sleep Yoga) and is the topic of intense research at several top universities. Even for those who dont have dream consiousness, there is a simple thing to do - time your alarm in the middle of the night (when you are deep asleep) to wake you up and then when you go back to sleep, you have full consciousness during the dream (or at least will have good recall of the dream after waking up). Now the odd part is that whenever I have done this, I notice that most dreams are invariably Amma dreams. -yogaman Ammachi, Rick Archer <rick@s...> wrote: > I am not qualified to comment on the genuineness of her experience, but to > her it is genuine, and I give her the benefit of the doubt. She has been > meditating since she was a teenager (about 35 years), including many years > of courses in which she meditated most of the day. Even now, her spiritual > practices take hours every day. By her account, she is well established in > Pure Consciousness. For example, she has been been witnessing sleep > (maintaining Pure Consciousness during sleep and all other states) for Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi The all-new My - Get yours free! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Oops! I made a great mistake, I wanted to send this message to bala but it went to Amma group. Sorry for the mistake. In Amma, Sunanda - "Sunanda Natwa" <sunanda.natwa <Ammachi> Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:23 AM Re: Re: Amma¹s Chakras > > Namahshivaya Bala, > As for I know Amma is the one who draws the chakras in people life, so how > can we find chakras in Amma.No doubt Amma is a devine mother who embraces > her children with pure love. In my first visit I asked her something (it is > personal) still she didn't consider me.I don't know how many years she wants > to test me.I have no plans to have another birth.Because of my personal > problems I couldn't come to Nov.Retreat.I would like to know how was it.I > am really missing her a lot. > In my Amma, > Sunanda > - > "balakrishnan Shankar" <balakrishnan_sh > <Ammachi> > Saturday, December 04, 2004 4:20 PM > Re: Re: Amma¹s Chakras > > > > Namah Shivaya Rick, Yogaman and others, > > thans for these beautiful emails. Yes as Yogaman says we have no clue of > Amma's true infinitude. I also know of a person who has been a Devi upsaka > for many many years, who had visions of Devi when the person first saw Amma. > > But i must say that we are lucky indeed. Lucky that , in spite of not > being able to see Amma's chakras or not being able to see any vision, we > still feel that Amma is Devi. By Her grace, we have faith( at least to some > extent) in Her Divinity. > > Thats because even though we ack the subtle perception to see chakras, or > are undeserving of any visions, Amma has made sure that we can feel the one > unmistakable sign of Her divinity- Her perfect Love. > > > bala > > > > > Dear Rick: > > Thanks very much for sharing this. It seems very plausible; I know of > a very advanced SriVidya upasak(who has attained direct darshan of > Devi) who told me that Amma was Devi Herself. I think most people > (including myself) have no idea of the true extent of Amma's being. > > Regarding being fully aware sleep consciousness, this is > called "Lucid Dreaming"(also known as Tibetan sleep Yoga) and is the > topic of intense research at several top universities. Even for those > who dont have dream consiousness, there is a simple thing to do - > time your alarm in the middle of the night (when you are deep asleep) > to wake you up and then when you go back to sleep, you have full > consciousness during the dream (or at least will have good recall of > the dream after waking up). Now the odd part is that whenever I have > done this, I notice that most dreams are invariably Amma dreams. > > > -yogaman > > > > > Ammachi, Rick Archer <rick@s...> wrote: > > I am not qualified to comment on the genuineness of her experience, > but to > > her it is genuine, and I give her the benefit of the doubt. She has > been > > meditating since she was a teenager (about 35 years), including > many years > > of courses in which she meditated most of the day. Even now, her > spiritual > > practices take hours every day. By her account, she is well > established in > > Pure Consciousness. For example, she has been been witnessing sleep > > (maintaining Pure Consciousness during sleep and all other states) > for Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > The all-new My - Get yours free! > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 on 12/5/04 12:23 AM, Sunanda Natwa at sunanda.natwa wrote: > > Namahshivaya Bala, > As for I know Amma is the one who draws the chakras in people life, so how > can we find chakras in Amma. How can we find fingers on Amma? People have fingers. People have chakras. The latter are just harder to perceive. >No doubt Amma is a devine mother who embraces > her children with pure love. In my first visit I asked her something (it is > personal) still she didn't consider me.I don't know how many years she wants > to test me.I have no plans to have another birth.Because of my personal > problems I couldn't come to Nov.Retreat.I would like to know how was it.I > am really missing her a lot. > In my Amma, > Sunanda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Namah Shivaya. Dear Sunandaji. Perhaps it was only a divine mistake so the rest of us could offer our support to our otherwise silent brother. I¹m sorry that you couldn¹t come to the retreat and that feel so much longing for our beloved Amma. Amma was so generous, giving darshan to so many for a long time. And Balaji and some other other mons sang the most wonderful song to Amma almost at the end of Devi Bhava. You should ask him for the words. Amma was smiling at them a lot as they sang. I hope you can feel Her loving presence in and all around you and that you will write us more and let us support you. In Amma¹s grace, premrupa Aum Amriteshvaryai Namah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Dear Bala, this is so beautiful! Thank you. Iswari Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > Namah Shivaya Rick, Yogaman and others, > > thans for these beautiful emails. Yes as Yogaman says we have no clue of Amma's true infinitude. I also know of a person who has been a Devi upsaka for many many years, who had visions of Devi when the person first saw Amma. > > But i must say that we are lucky indeed. Lucky that , in spite of not being able to see Amma's chakras or not being able to see any vision, we still feel that Amma is Devi. By Her grace, we have faith( at least to some extent) in Her Divinity. > > Thats because even though we ack the subtle perception to see chakras, or are undeserving of any visions, Amma has made sure that we can feel the one unmistakable sign of Her divinity- Her perfect Love. > > > bala > > > > > Dear Rick: > > Thanks very much for sharing this. It seems very plausible; I know of > a very advanced SriVidya upasak(who has attained direct darshan of > Devi) who told me that Amma was Devi Herself. I think most people > (including myself) have no idea of the true extent of Amma's being. > > Regarding being fully aware sleep consciousness, this is > called "Lucid Dreaming"(also known as Tibetan sleep Yoga) and is the > topic of intense research at several top universities. Even for those > who dont have dream consiousness, there is a simple thing to do - > time your alarm in the middle of the night (when you are deep asleep) > to wake you up and then when you go back to sleep, you have full > consciousness during the dream (or at least will have good recall of > the dream after waking up). Now the odd part is that whenever I have > done this, I notice that most dreams are invariably Amma dreams. > > > -yogaman > > > > > Ammachi, Rick Archer <rick@s...> wrote: > > I am not qualified to comment on the genuineness of her experience, > but to > > her it is genuine, and I give her the benefit of the doubt. She has > been > > meditating since she was a teenager (about 35 years), including > many years > > of courses in which she meditated most of the day. Even now, her > spiritual > > practices take hours every day. By her account, she is well > established in > > Pure Consciousness. For example, she has been been witnessing sleep > > (maintaining Pure Consciousness during sleep and all other states) > for Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > > > > > > > The all-new My – Get yours free! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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