Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Dear Ajith Please dont be hasty. I TALKED TO AMMA HERE LAST NIGHT AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE FEELS THAT SHANKARACHARYA IS INNOCENT and that She is against the way he was arrested, and Amma has even been asking some indian devotees to write to their organisations/ religious groups in ptition for his release. I was fortunate to do lap seva last night here at San ramon, and during Lap seva She told me that She feels that He did not instigate the murder that he is being charged with. To me, Amma's words are sacrosanct and I shall soon sign a petition for the acharya's release. and being Amma's devotees, i encourage all Her other children on this list who feel this is relevant to them to do the same. I first was not going to sign any petition , not wanting to involve myself in a 'non- Amma' matter, but Amma's words last night were strong. bala Ajith Nair <ajithnair03 wrote: Dear Sisters & Brothers, I think sankaracharya is guilty and he must be punished. But it will be confirmed in coming days. And if he did not do any wrong it is politically motivated and must be protested. Infront of Indian law everybody is same, either Hindu or Muslim or Christian. Or Hindu guru or Muslim imam or Christian priest. Yes I know its not happening in all cases. but it may be start. Ajith - Mike Brooker Ammachi list Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:57 PM Fwd: American Hindu Association Protests the Arrest of Sankaracharya This is apparently major news in Tamil Nadu and on the Hindu Press International listserv. For some background information: http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13608705 Keval --- American Hindu Association -AHA <whindu wrote: > Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) > American Hindu Association -AHA > <whindu > American Hindu Association Protests the > Arrest of Sankaracharya > Ammachi-owner > > > Re: American Hindu Association Protests the Arrest > of Sankaracharya > > We, the devotees in American Hindu Association in > the United States of America would like our strong > protest on the manner the Tamil Nadu government > apprehended and treated with disrespect to His > Holiness Kanchi Shankaracharya Sri Jayendra > Sarasvati Maharaj. Holiness was apprehended by the > Tamil Nadu authorities in a manner showing total > disrespect and sensitivity towards the religious > feelings of Hindus around the world. > > All devotees in American Hindu Association are > shocked, outraged and extremely saddened by the > manner in which the authorities have arrested and > dealt with his Holiness. We also read the news that > the Madras High Court had denied the basic human > right and fundamental liberty of His Holiness to > immediate and adequate legal counsel. With the > information available at this time it appears that > Holiness arrest is guided by the political motives. > > We appeal to the Government of India and the State > Government of Tamil Nadu to act immediately and take > appropriate action to release the Holiness until the > case is filed and proven guilty if at all. Holiness > arrest without due respect and order of law is a > Matter of great disrespect to Hindus around the > world. > > Members of the American Hindu Association > P O Box 55405 > Madison, Wisconsin 53705 U.S.A. > www.americanhindu.net > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi Discover all that’s new in My Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Ammachi, balakrishnan Shankar <balakrishnan_sh> wrote: > Dear Ajith > > Please dont be hasty. I TALKED TO AMMA HERE LAST NIGHT AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE FEELS THAT SHANKARACHARYA IS INNOCENT and that She Thanks Bala for this info. I was really disturbed by this happening. It could be politically motivated as Sri Jayendra Saraswati is a very forward thinking peetapathi and has made much headaway in opening the kamakoti math to Dalits and other disadvantaged communities. What does Amma mean by "feeling"; is it true or not (of course Amma is omniscient and maybe she does not want to display it, which is probably why she is tempering the fact with "Amma feels":-)). Also please update us with all the chatting that goes around Amma ( I really dont know who you are Bala but you have reported several conversations that I have overheard)- there is considerable wisdom in much of what Amma says though it appears as plain conversation. [Much to my disdain I will not be able to make it for this retreat owing to work commitments. I am so pissed off about it GRRRR..... LOL] Once again a request to all to report all happenings however trivial, in full detail. -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Dear Bala, I think Amma won't tell like that. I am sure. Even as per the Indian old rule, infront of Justice everybody is same. Even Guru or GOD or anybody. If you refer old epics you can see that. Even Rama, pancha pandavar got punishment. No matter who is he/she. One who is guilty they must be punished. Aum Namah Shivaya Ajith - "balakrishnan Shankar" <balakrishnan_sh <Ammachi> Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:44 PM AMMA says Shankaracharya is innocent Dear Ajith Please dont be hasty. I TALKED TO AMMA HERE LAST NIGHT AND SHE TOLD ME THAT SHE FEELS THAT SHANKARACHARYA IS INNOCENT and that She is against the way he was arrested, and Amma has even been asking some indian devotees to write to their organisations/ religious groups in ptition for his release. I was fortunate to do lap seva last night here at San ramon, and during Lap seva She told me that She feels that He did not instigate the murder that he is being charged with. To me, Amma's words are sacrosanct and I shall soon sign a petition for the acharya's release. and being Amma's devotees, i encourage all Her other children on this list who feel this is relevant to them to do the same. I first was not going to sign any petition , not wanting to involve myself in a 'non- Amma' matter, but Amma's words last night were strong. bala Ajith Nair <ajithnair03 wrote: Dear Sisters & Brothers, I think sankaracharya is guilty and he must be punished. But it will be confirmed in coming days. And if he did not do any wrong it is politically motivated and must be protested. Infront of Indian law everybody is same, either Hindu or Muslim or Christian. Or Hindu guru or Muslim imam or Christian priest. Yes I know its not happening in all cases. but it may be start. Ajith - Mike Brooker Ammachi list Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:57 PM Fwd: American Hindu Association Protests the Arrest of Sankaracharya This is apparently major news in Tamil Nadu and on the Hindu Press International listserv. For some background information: http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13608705 Keval --- American Hindu Association -AHA <whindu wrote: > Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) > American Hindu Association -AHA > <whindu > American Hindu Association Protests the > Arrest of Sankaracharya > Ammachi-owner > > > Re: American Hindu Association Protests the Arrest > of Sankaracharya > > We, the devotees in American Hindu Association in > the United States of America would like our strong > protest on the manner the Tamil Nadu government > apprehended and treated with disrespect to His > Holiness Kanchi Shankaracharya Sri Jayendra > Sarasvati Maharaj. Holiness was apprehended by the > Tamil Nadu authorities in a manner showing total > disrespect and sensitivity towards the religious > feelings of Hindus around the world. > > All devotees in American Hindu Association are > shocked, outraged and extremely saddened by the > manner in which the authorities have arrested and > dealt with his Holiness. We also read the news that > the Madras High Court had denied the basic human > right and fundamental liberty of His Holiness to > immediate and adequate legal counsel. With the > information available at this time it appears that > Holiness arrest is guided by the political motives. > > We appeal to the Government of India and the State > Government of Tamil Nadu to act immediately and take > appropriate action to release the Holiness until the > case is filed and proven guilty if at all. Holiness > arrest without due respect and order of law is a > Matter of great disrespect to Hindus around the > world. > > Members of the American Hindu Association > P O Box 55405 > Madison, Wisconsin 53705 U.S.A. > www.americanhindu.net > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi Discover all that's new in My Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Dear Ajith and All, I regret a post on this, but i somehow felt a strong feeling like expressing this. If somebody can be sure that AMMA can/cant say something then he/she should be certainly realized and AMMA herself in being. Difficult to say if anyone of us has such qualifications. Inflicting guilt and accusing so harshly, a Math of 2000 years old, and an Acharya of sankara linage without being sure to heart can only cause karmic consequences. Because they cause pain in many people's heart and it is this pain that make wishfully silent people to respond. Bala would not have said anything he has previously said to have conversed. Its Ajiths so strong remarks that is painful which made him reveal those later rejected conversations. And it is the same that made me write these. Offcourse as Bala has confessed, AMMA might have said something and others might have convinced Bala that he listened something else. But whoever knows Bala in this list, could read the truth between the lines, if interested. (To know him, just go through the very few post he had ever made in this group). It seem like its AMMAs wish which made Bala tell these in the group and then reject it. I feel AMMAs play is done!!!! Now that I have started let me complete what I feel like saying. One who is guilty should be punished, but not before proved, particularly acharyas. Acharyas like AMMA are above laws but still they obey laws, only for we mortals. They are above laws because, law knows only present life , law knows only to take life. But realised acharyas can give life and they operate from non-human domains without touching operations of nature unless necessary. But all acharyas need not be realised just as most priests of other religion. Atleast acharyas of all religions should have the same treatment as our most corrupt politicians. Somebody of that math may have done that crime. But before proving acharya guilty, treating him like a 3rd rate criminal is painful. Because he represents the Adi sankara linage. (Govt procecuter addressed him as the "most undeserving criminal" when his bail application came in coart). Not everyone in that math has that much responsibility. Hence somebody can err. But accusing acharya like this should be done only when proved, just as nobody dares to accuse and jail arch bishop and Imams, for a crime done by their so called followers in his foolish calculation. (this is not to disrespect bishop or Imam, but just a known open fact in India). It is the position that should be given respect not the person. Because that position represents the faith of millions of people of whichever religion. And if he is proved guilty he should be given the most savage punishment not given to common people, defenitely not before that. Same situation can happen in any math. Irresponsible disciples and assistants are everywhere. Offcourse realised beings can play with all these people just as AMMA does. And but no linage will be always fully realised. But they will be atleast responsible. Atleast this this much we have to trust, and give them due respect until proved guilty. Otherwise when acharyas fails to become realised, hindu tradition will cease to exist. I mean the formal linage of sanyasis initiated and classified by sankara, such as puri, giri, saraswathi etc.. Even AMMA follows this for her own sanyasis, because she being the past, present and future, respects the linage, even when she need not do so. What if now, Acharya is proved innocent? What would somebody who accusses, him do then. Would his sorry be suffice..? What proud can be there in claiming falsely that, in India all are same before law.!!!!! Take past 800 year history of India, we will never find one. Interested people can learn about Indias great 400years under islam rule and remaining 400years under british rule. Offcourse british rule saved India from one thing, and that is Islam rule, or else what will have happened I dont know!!! There were cases in kerala, where death of nun happened in monsatry's well. How many normal priests were arrested inspite of CBI inquiry.? Imam of DELHI, called in public support for Bin-laden, made public appeal against india, even when BJP was rulling. Why no arrest happened..? Why no media roared?? In Marad in kerala 7, hindu fishermen were planed and killed by muslim community in that village. The weapons used for killing was found from mosque. After killing muslim families fled their houses to escape from aftereffects. Hindus of that region demanded CBI inquiry. But govt did not order it fearing muslim votes. These are most famous ones to name a few. Is this the India, where all are equal before laws. No single christian or muslim in india will say a word against their religion, even when their religion, does conversion and other social evils overtly Each christian and muslim considers hinduism as devils own religion, who worships kali and snake. Nobody shows it open, but go close to them, u can feel it first hand. Nobody speaks, because they know that there are secularists and comminists in hindus to represent their views... They speaks only when they feel they are directly targetted. Now they reacts not as single, but in masses.. Their churches plays the pivotal role in that. For christians and Muslims with out their churches they are socially isolated (in india). Church exist on them and they exist on church. When Mahabharatha was telecasted in India, churches made it a point to change their sunday mass time to coincide with it.!!!! Anybody can verify this if he/she takes some pain. The day christians and muslims believe that all religions lead to GOD, if properly practiced, 60% of world problems will be solved. Remaining will be solved when power hungry countries stops plundering other countries for oil. But alas, it is always a, so called follower of sanatana-dharma who stands up against his own religion, just to be proud that he is secular. Is this secularism a truth, where nair wins in nair dominated area, brahmin wins in brahmin dominated area, christian wins in christian dominated area and so on.. A person of truthful mind can find the solutionless painful answers for these... : Nobody wants even social truth, everyone just want to exist for sometime and have a dogs death..!!! Why to speak of eternal truth. Even then there is a sollace, India endured this much assault, a little more doesnt add much!!!! Moreover when everyone tries to end it through back door (inside India) AMMA is going straight the front door to embrace the entire world to it. I can feel it. Now before concluding I should say about the political situation where this acharya episode is happening. Sorry that I am forced into politics, but this deemed appropriate given the circumstances. TN is state that claim to have a seperate existance. Many of them wants a seperate state itself. The only state in country where one cant survive without hindi. It all started when, max-muller and other mullers articulated the aryan-dravidian theory. In this people of TN is said to be aborginal dravidians who were said to be persecuted by aryans(brahmins). Britishers used this properly, to create an entity called dalits(low caste). Now this dalit community is run by christian missionaries. It would be fun to read their website www.dalitstan.org Now when India got Independence, this state got its own party DMK- namely the party for uplift of dravidians. It later splitted into 2, forming ADMK. By theory, both rejects hinduism and vedic culture. But fortunately most profound hindu literature acharyas were from tamil. But they were all mainly brahmins. Now most hindus belong to DMK or ADMK. DMK has a leader called karunanidhi, who finds his vote soley by criticising hinduism and promoting mislims. Reason is simple, with hindus divided amoung DMK and ADMK muslim and christian votes have significant impact. There are some more parties which belongs to still lower castes. ADMK has got a ditactor leader called as Jayalalitha When DMK has embraced mminorities, she stood by the side of high caste hindu votes. She is very arrogant in her ways. Once she even made ACID to be poured on a high rank administrative officer, (a lady) for disobeying her illegal orders. She changes every minister from his position, so as to prevent a threat to her. Still foolish TN people sometimes elect her, bcause they have no choice, or else other devil will come. She was convicted by jail in more than 5 cases. later realeased like any politician in india. Recently she send more than 5 V-VIPs to jail for petty reasons. If u criticise her, she will make sure that ur in jail, for whatsoever reasons and whatsoever power u have.. The list is Opposition leader(DMK), 2 Central Ministers, The editor of Hindu newspaper, and many others. (all were send to jail , some without bail with false reasons and using laws made to use against terrorists). She was said to be very close to arrested acharya. Said that at his request she, brought anti-conversion law in TN. This is a very much needed law in every state. Now all opposition-parties muslims, christians all united and ADMK was defeated 30-0 in center-elections. Even people including non-party hindus hated her for her arrogance. To make sure about her next victory she reversed all her policies including anti-conversion. This irked acharya and he openly commented against her. From then acharya also came to jayas hitlist. Now the only way for JAYA to win next time is to break the anti-hindu-coalition against her and get minority votes. The opposition alliance is so strong that if it is not broken she cant win next time. And we she dont win, oppostion will seek revenge by sending her to jail. It is at this point we hear this arrest episode. At night 10pm from another state. Acharya also have some poor remarks in his history. He is said to have big difference in openion with his GURU. Once he disobeyed his GURU, and left ashram for long time. Later he has brought back. Heard from very reilable source first hand that during AV50, he was invited. Though he wanted to come, the foolish people around him insisted that AMMA should herself come and take him to venue from his kalady ashram in kerala. That being impossible given the situation he did not attend AV50. Unlike previous acharyas he was involved in political and social activities also But I feel nothing wrong in it. Now I have to ask forgiveness to kenna. Dear kenna, if nobody has introduced this topic into this list, it was obviously possible to be silent. But leaving it at this stage doesnt seem to be good, particularly after the final reply from ajith. Now I should I disagree with you in one respect. U said, when AMMA say something to someone it is to that person alone. Fine, but had ever AMMA said this and could this be a generalised rule. It is a rule to be inferred by experience of each person and to be applied at correct circumstances, not be generally applied to everyone at all circumstances by somebody else. If any swami, says so I will take it only with a pinch of salt, as he is not realised, atleast for me. I beleive that AMMAs views which she intend to be public through proper channel will be public through proper channel. Being godess Saraswathi herself her ways are not limited by these. It cannot be moderated just like that, at the same time it cannot be so affirmative to create contoversy too... She is perfect in this art!!! Now why creating this mess for some GURU. The reason is simple Adi sankara is not treated as other GURUs . Hence his linage also is not so. It is difficult for a foreigner to comprehend on this unless they had tried to know india's past and present regarding hindu tradition. Individuals doesnt matter as long as they are not realised, but linage defenitely matters. The priest of great temples Vadakkkumnadhan, guruvayor may not be realised. Many of them may not be fit to serve lord so closely. Still this doesnt cause any flaw to diety glowing there, becuase it is installed by the realised soul sage parasurama the creator of kerala. One of famous sthotras which is first recited before any endeavour says "Sandasiva samarambhaam sankaraacharya madhyamaam Asmadhacharya paryandhaam vandee Guru paramparam" "Starting with Lord Siva, with Adi Sankara Acharya In between, and ending with my Acharya(AMMA), I prostrate before this linage of GURU tradition". This verses verily says that, my GURU is same as lord SIVA and all others in the linage. So I cannot delink my GURU from the linage of GURUs. This is my conviction. And if I keep silence now, I should keep mum, even when something happen to any other MATH which I love. I cant do that, So I speak. And again I dont believe that, bala said those due to mind's quality to catch attention as somebody hinted. There are situations where one will be forced to speak against his own wish, being pulled by his sense of duty. There is no attempt to hurt anyone but every attempt to defend the culture of GURU tradition. I know that I cant convince anybody, but still, I do what I am asked to do........ (who asked...???!!! I dont know) And I go back to silence until I get command. -with prayers manesh Ammachi, "Ajith Nair" <ajithnair03> wrote: > Dear Bala, > > I think Amma won't tell like that. I am sure. Even as per the Indian old > rule, infront of Justice everybody is same. Even Guru or GOD or anybody. If > you refer old epics you can see that. Even Rama, pancha pandavar got > punishment. No matter who is he/she. One who is guilty they must be > punished. > > > Aum Namah Shivaya > Ajith > > > - > "balakrishnan Shankar" <balakrishnan_sh> > <Ammachi> > Thursday, November 18, 2004 6:44 PM > AMMA says Shankaracharya is innocent > > > > Dear Ajith > > Please dont be hasty. I TALKED TO AMMA HERE LAST NIGHT AND SHE TOLD ME > THAT SHE FEELS THAT SHANKARACHARYA IS INNOCENT and that She is against the > way he was arrested, and Amma has even been asking some indian devotees > to write to their organisations/ religious groups in ptition for his > release. > > I was fortunate to do lap seva last night here at San ramon, and during Lap > seva She told me that She feels that He did not instigate the murder > that he is being charged with. > > To me, Amma's words are sacrosanct and I shall soon sign a petition for > the acharya's release. > > and being Amma's devotees, i encourage all Her other children on this list > who feel this is relevant to them to do the same. > > I first was not going to sign any petition , not wanting to involve myself > in a 'non- Amma' matter, but Amma's words last night were strong. > > bala > > Ajith Nair <ajithnair03> wrote: > Dear Sisters & Brothers, > > I think sankaracharya is guilty and he must be punished. But it will be > confirmed in coming days. And if he did not do any wrong it is politically > motivated and must be protested. Infront of Indian law everybody is same, > either Hindu or Muslim or Christian. Or Hindu guru or Muslim imam or > Christian priest. Yes I know its not happening in all cases. but it may be > start. > > Ajith > > - > Mike Brooker > Ammachi list > Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:57 PM > Fwd: American Hindu Association Protests the Arrest of > Sankaracharya > > > This is apparently major news in Tamil Nadu and on the > Hindu Press International listserv. For some > background information: > http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13608705 > > Keval > > --- American Hindu Association -AHA <whindu> > wrote: > > > Wed, 17 Nov 2004 13:31:32 -0800 (PST) > > American Hindu Association -AHA > > <whindu> > > American Hindu Association Protests the > > Arrest of Sankaracharya > > Ammachi-owner > > > > > > Re: American Hindu Association Protests the Arrest > > of Sankaracharya > > > > We, the devotees in American Hindu Association in > > the United States of America would like our strong > > protest on the manner the Tamil Nadu government > > apprehended and treated with disrespect to His > > Holiness Kanchi Shankaracharya Sri Jayendra > > Sarasvati Maharaj. Holiness was apprehended by the > > Tamil Nadu authorities in a manner showing total > > disrespect and sensitivity towards the religious > > feelings of Hindus around the world. > > > > All devotees in American Hindu Association are > > shocked, outraged and extremely saddened by the > > manner in which the authorities have arrested and > > dealt with his Holiness. We also read the news that > > the Madras High Court had denied the basic human > > right and fundamental liberty of His Holiness to > > immediate and adequate legal counsel. With the > > information available at this time it appears that > > Holiness arrest is guided by the political motives. > > > > We appeal to the Government of India and the State > > Government of Tamil Nadu to act immediately and take > > appropriate action to release the Holiness until the > > case is filed and proven guilty if at all. Holiness > > arrest without due respect and order of law is a > > Matter of great disrespect to Hindus around the > > world. > > > > Members of the American Hindu Association > > P O Box 55405 > > Madison, Wisconsin 53705 U.S.A. > > www.americanhindu.net > > > > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > - ----------- > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > b.. > Ammachi > > c.. Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Discover all that's new in My > > > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Om Namah Shivaya Dear Manesh, many have strong opinions and feelings about what is happening to Kanchi Shankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi, and what he is going through, as you have expressed in your post. I make the following suggestion as as we try to keep politics out of our Ammachi list, as much as possible. The repected vedic astrologer K.N. Rao is writing his opinions ( which are much like what you have expressed), and predictions on this matter on a that he posts on. So, those interested to read more about this case can join that group and read K.N. Rao's posts. This list is named at: / In Amma, sarama /Iceland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Manesh: That was a very political post BTW(better watch out for our moderator Peter Uncle) but I have to say that I agree with most of what you say. Since this issue was bought up here, can someone (Bala, or you Manesh) ask Amma whether the Shankaracharya is guilty or not; I request this in part because the current Shankaracharya is a very forward thinking individual and his policies are similar to what Amma Herself is practicing with regards to strengthening sanatana dharma. And besides the Shankaracharya is a great devotee of Amma (Amma is Kamakshi Herself is it not). We cannot let adharma prevail (if indeed he is innocent) in this manner. So once again, can you ask Amma directly whether he is innocent or not? -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2004 Report Share Posted November 20, 2004 Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > > Manesh: > > That was a very political post BTW(better watch out for our moderator > Peter Uncle) but I have to say that I agree with most of what you say. It may have been political, but had to be said, especially as a skewed picture was given here before Manesh's post. Us 'spiritual' people can now decide better what side to take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2004 Report Share Posted November 21, 2004 Just came across this news item guess this settles the issue. Rajan New Delhi, Nov. 21 (PTI): Describing Kanchi Sankaracharya Jayendra Saraswathi's arrest as "painful", Hindu spiritual leader Mata Amritanandamayi, today hoped that the Seer's "ordeal" passes of as a "bad dream". "It is painful to learn about the arrest of Kanchi Acharya. It seems like a bad dream and may it continue to be nothing more than that...", she said. "The arrest should not weaken the lineage of the Advaita philosopher and Saint Adi Shankara, whose order has helped to preserve the Vedas and its associated culture", she said in a release here. http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/001200411211675.htm?headline=Kanchi~Seer's~\ arrest~painful:~Amritanandamayi Meet the all-new My - Try it today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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