renunciate fee clarification-Where's Peter Kandar?

[Guest guest]

Aloha and Om Amma

 

Connie, The renunciate fee is 12,ooo and it includes room and board

for a lifetime while intimately learning how to truly live and how to

truly love through very personal instruction by the Goddess of Love

herself-Ammachi, our Mother of Compassion.

Keval, Forgive me but Why are you moderating for this group? How

anyone can be the moderator of this Ammachi group and insult Mother's

intentions feels very off to me. Are you an Amma devotee or just

interested in a bunch of gurus so you can take what you like and

downplay the rest? Please do not doubt Mother and think you know

better than her, Keval.

I say this to myself as well...Please trust Mother.

Lets trust Mother or why believe in Her at all?

Since Amma asked me to pay my debts back and make the renunciate fee,

Im making more money than i ever dreamed of.

Is this gouging me for all Im worth? I find your words against Mother

unbearable even though I used to feel the same way back in the early

day before I realized how most Westerners were using way more than a

fair share of resources.

 

Like one brother wrote earlier, if there were not this fee, many

people would want to join as renunciates and this fee is a way of

showing commitment. Also, in the West, we are very heavily attached

to and identified with money and therefore Amma says money=our mind.

so Mother says, when we give a considerable amount of money, we are

giving God a considerable amount of our mind, our attachments.,

The thing to realize is this...If we really believe that Amma is

really God and God is asking for us to give something back after all

we have taken and used selfishly, how can you not jump at the chance?

Especially when you know you can simply pray to God and She will help

you find a way to give Her back that money. It is money to balance

out the excess in the west and the poverty in the east. It is a small

amount of money considering what you get for it. If you want to

volunteer with Green Peace, you pay them 2,000 for six weeks. If you

want to be a traditional Reiki Master, you pay 10,000 for the

initiation. Amma gives us initiation for free. The renunciate fee is

for Amma to take you on as an intimate student/sevite/potential

problem child in Her sanctuary of Service to our starving/dying

brothers and sisters.

If Kalipadma, you really want to be a renunciate, ask Mother...! She

will either say Yes and provide a way for you to get the money as she

is doing with me or she will say no because it is not the best dharma

for you.

 

The flat fee is different and is now 14,000 and this is to reserve a

a karma-free place to call home with the MOther of the Universe as

your gracious host and ever-ready teacher, mother and friend, on one

of the most spiritually charged places on our tiny little planet

where they havent figure out yet how to make more land...

 

Wishing you all well....as we all work on having faith as big as a

mustard seed...

 

JJJJJJJJJJJJJAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIII MMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAA

Missing Ma, ambujam

 

The Ammachi, "Connie Habash" <Connie@a...>

wrote:

> Just to clarify - to my knowledge, the $12,000 is what

> it costs (or at least did a couple years ago - they may

> be slightly more expensive now) to BUY a flat at

> Amritapuri. It's not a renunicate fee. The fees the

> renunciates pay, as far as I have heard, are quite low

> (I do not know exactly how much), and you don't have

> to buy a flat to be a renunicate, even as a westerner.

> It's just that most westerners feel more comfortable

> that way than living in the very spare (they reminded

> me of cell blocks a bit!) quarters they have for the

> renunicates.

>

> I encourage everyone to make sure they have facts

> clear before they share them with the group - it can be

> very misleading!

>

> A brief comment on the people that surround Amma

> sometimes that push our buttons. I have had that reaction

> many times before, too. The truth is, Amma loves and

> accepts us all, even the annoying ones, the imperfect

> ones (ie, all of us!), the ugly ones, the beautiful ones.

> It is for us to learn to accept, not to judge - at least, that's

> what I have had to face in myself. Why am I spending the

> time judging, criticizing, and getting annoyed and

> offended with people who aren't doing what I want them to,

> when I could be focusing on improving myself? Well, it's

> much harder for me to work on myself, that's for sure! I've

> had many humbling moments when I've had these

> realizations. It's not been easy for me to accept everything

> that goes on around Amma. She seems to accept it with a

> grace and unconditional love that I have a looooong way to

> go to reach. That's just my experience and my 2 cents.

>

> Blessings,

> Achintya

[Guest guest]

> Keval, Forgive me but Why are you moderating for

> this group?

 

Because Kandar asked me to, while he was away on

vacation, and being an officer and a gentleman (OK, a

gentleman; no army would offer me a lieutenant's

commission , I accepted. Kandar is back in Florida

but presumably has quite a bit on his plate right now

thanks to unwelcome visits from Charley, Frances and

Ivan. And the 'cane season ain't done yet!

 

 

> Are you an Amma

> devotee or just

> interested in a bunch of gurus so you can take what

> you like and

> downplay the rest?

 

If you've ever seen my web site, it's a bit of both!

 

Please do not doubt Mother and

> think you know

> better than her, Keval.

 

Not to second-guess Amma, but I've gotten a healthy

dose of cynicism, particularly after reading Sarah

Macdonald's book _Holy Cow_** I've never been to

Amritapuri, but I've seen seen enough fawning,

sycophantic western devotees on the North American

tours to corroborate Ms. Macdonald's observations:

"The Indian devotees are enjoying the ashram like it's

a holiday camp with a divine counselor...the

Westerners, in contrast, seem pious and precious...Can

you feel pity for the divine? I'm overcome with

sorrow for the holy Mother surrounded by such

grasping, pulling, demanding, desperate people".

 

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So the 12,000 bucks is for an apartment at the ashram,

not to become initiated as a renunciate? Sorry I

didn't check all my facts.

 

 

Keval

 

 

 

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