Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Om Namah Shivaya, all - I feel impelled to say something about the posts like the one below. I do not know what this directly has to do with Amma. I have admittedly been annoyed by these posts, which may be interesting I'm sure to some, but there are 1) very long, giving us long passages to some texts that may be of interest to some, but I personally would rather not have them posted here 2) seem to be continually promoting another group, which I find annoying and somewhat offensive 3) make reading the daily digest very frustrating for me, as I have to scroll down through the whole thing to get to the other posts, and 4) don't have much to do with Amma as far as I'm concerned. Again, this is just my point of view, but I personally would rather not see posts such as these on this list. I to this list to share Amma's wisdom, learn from her and her other devotees, and hear stories about experiences with Amma. Blessings, Achintya - Message: 1 Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:19:58 -0700 (PDT) R Dasa <holynames12 The Subterranean Heavenly Planets Please join our : guru_gauranga Canto 5: The Creative ImpetusChapter 24: The Subterranean Heavenly Planets Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Srimad Bhagavatam SB 5.24 Summary SB 5.24.1: Sri Sukadeva Gosvami said: My dear King, some historians, the speakers of the Puranas, say that 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles] below the sun is the planet known as Rahu, which moves like one of the stars. The presiding deity of that planet, who is the son of Simhika, is the most abominable of all asuras, but although he is completely unfit to assume the position of a demigod or planetary deity, he has achieved that position by the grace of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Later I shall speak further about him. etc. etc. etc. ------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Can't the moderator remove this poster from the group???? Please??? I think that would solve the problems of these non-Amma emails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 I agree there. I have made a mention of it in previous posts that this be about AMMA and only AMMA. Any thing else will divert us from the teachings of AMMA. I'm sure that there are many wonderful sites out there on other's teachings and such but it will only divert us from what AMMA is giving us. This is a room about AMMACHI the Divine Mother so let the thoughts and ideas and feelings and anything else be of AMMA. I don't care if such and such a site is about this great teacher or the words spoken by such and such is wonderful the fact is that this room is about AMMA .And as such let us keep it this way. Namaste Alexander PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this room that persist in advertising other's thoughts or ideas or beliefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Namah Shivaya, Although I feel comfortable with a wider latitude of spiritual posts than Alexander, even I would also prefer that these posts stop. (I haven't paid too much attention, but are they associated with Krishna Consciousness?). I learn from a variety of sources, and even Amma says that we should stay with our own religions. But, the sender may not realize that one of Amma's swamis recently said if we go to another Guru for help, that's like being unfaithful in a marriage. These posts appear to be encouraging that kind of unfaithfulness. So, I am sincerely requesting the sender to discontinue these posts. Thank you in advance for your understanding and cooperation. Sincerely, Sweta WayOfEagle2 <WayOfEagle2 wrote: I agree there. I have made a mention of it in previous posts that this be about AMMA and only AMMA. Any thing else will divert us from the teachings of AMMA. I'm sure that there are many wonderful sites out there on other's teachings and such but it will only divert us from what AMMA is giving us. This is a room about AMMACHI the Divine Mother so let the thoughts and ideas and feelings and anything else be of AMMA. I don't care if such and such a site is about this great teacher or the words spoken by such and such is wonderful the fact is that this room is about AMMA .And as such let us keep it this way. Namaste Alexander PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this room that persist in advertising other's thoughts or ideas or beliefs. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 The example you have forwarded is from Vaishnava texts, and ISKCON versions in particular. While Ammachi is very fond of Krishna (she used to do Krishna Bhava evenings many years ago), I prefer to read about what Amma herself has to say about Hinduism, thank you. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 16:57:55 -0700 "Connie Habash" <Connie writes: > Om Namah Shivaya, all - > I feel impelled to say something about the posts like > the one below. I do not know what this directly has > to do with Amma. I have admittedly been annoyed by > these posts, which may be interesting I'm sure to some, > but there are 1) very long, giving us long passages to > some texts that may be of interest to some, but I personally > would rather not have them posted here 2) seem to be > continually promoting another group, which I find > annoying and somewhat offensive 3) make reading the > daily digest very frustrating for me, as I have to scroll > down through the whole thing to get to the other posts, and > 4) don't have much to do with Amma as far as I'm concerned. > > Again, this is just my point of view, but I personally would > rather not see posts such as these on this list. I > to this list to share Amma's wisdom, learn from her and > her other devotees, and hear stories about experiences > with Amma. > Blessings, > Achintya > - Message: 1 > Sat, 11 Sep 2004 22:19:58 -0700 (PDT) > R Dasa <holynames12 > The Subterranean Heavenly Planets > > Please join our : > guru_gauranga > > Canto 5: The Creative ImpetusChapter 24: The Subterranean Heavenly > Planets > Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Srimad Bhagavatam > > SB 5.24 Summary > > SB 5.24.1: Sri Sukadeva Gosvami said: My dear King, some historians, > the > speakers of the Puranas, say that 10,000 yojanas [80,000 miles] > below the > sun is the planet known as Rahu, which moves like one of the stars. > ______________ Get your name as your email address. Includes spam protection, 1GB storage, no ads and more Only $1.99/ month - visit http://www.mysite.com/name today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 > > Although I feel comfortable with a wider latitude of > spiritual posts than Alexander, even I would also > prefer that these posts stop. (I haven't paid too > much attention, but are they associated with Krishna > Consciousness?). I would also like to see the long posts quoting chapter and verse of Prabhupada's ISKCON texts stop. Remember, some of us have slow dial-up connections, obsolete molasses-slow computers, or even no computers of our own and have limited time to read e-mail at internet cafes or public libraries. I have nothing against Hare Krishna or other non-Amma teachings per se, but such postings should be limited to one or two short paragraphs and a link to the full text. > PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this > room that persist in advertising other's thoughts > or ideas or beliefs. > As co-moderator, I wouldn't go so far as to ban postings of non-Amma-related thoughts, ideas or beliefs (can you say "thought police"? I knew you could!). But ads for commercial websites, products, or profit-making schemes are spam, and anyone posting such messages will be bounced from this group in a heartbeat. Keval Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 When I said this it was a poor choice of words with no intention whatever of not having different spiritual thoughts and ideas mutually discussed for there is truth in other's also. > PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this > room that persist in advertising other's thoughts > or ideas or beliefs. My reason for basically saying that is for those that persist on and on to inscribe their thoughts on one without regards to other's and just carry on like their's is the only path. Having this in mind my thoughts were on Amma's teachings where she had mentioned that one who has a Guru should follow the Guru for if we look for other Guru's then we will become confused. Having followed Sathya Sai Baba, Karunamayi, and Anandi Ma I should know. Though the teachings are the same there is it not better to think of one's Guru and be one pointed there? Expression of other's thoight's and ideas I welcome. As I said before for what I said it was a poor choice of words. It was meant only for those that persist in hammering their thoughts and beleifs unto one. Namaste Alexander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Namah Shivaya, A coworker of mine is part of the Krishna Consciousness movement. He stated that Krishna is the highest form of God to worship and if a person thinks of Krishna at the moment of death, then that person will go to the highest plane. Doesn't Amma teach that all true religions are leading us to go to the same "place?" My coworker also said Shiva is a just demi-god, and that Christ lives on a spiritually lower planet than Krishna. Whether or not these statements are part of that organization's official dogma, I don't know. If so, then the sender is most likely trying to help us and is truely desiring our highest good. But, if the sender is trying to convert us, I want him/her to know I think Amma said it's a form of violence to try to convert people from their religions to different one. Since Amma is the best teacher for me, it's easy for me to think She would be best for everyone. But, there was a point when I wouldn't have been ready for Amma. I feel that different religions are stepping stones to God, and that it might be best for each us to use a different one, and possibly many different ones during a lifetime. WayOfEagle2 <WayOfEagle2 wrote: When I said this it was a poor choice of words with no intention whatever of not having different spiritual thoughts and ideas mutually discussed for there is truth in other's also. > PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this > room that persist in advertising other's thoughts > or ideas or beliefs. My reason for basically saying that is for those that persist on and on to inscribe their thoughts on one without regards to other's and just carry on like their's is the only path. Having this in mind my thoughts were on Amma's teachings where she had mentioned that one who has a Guru should follow the Guru for if we look for other Guru's then we will become confused. Having followed Sathya Sai Baba, Karunamayi, and Anandi Ma I should know. Though the teachings are the same there is it not better to think of one's Guru and be one pointed there? Expression of other's thoight's and ideas I welcome. As I said before for what I said it was a poor choice of words. It was meant only for those that persist in hammering their thoughts and beleifs unto one. Namaste Alexander Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > > As co-moderator, I wouldn't go so far as to ban > postings of non-Amma-related thoughts, ideas or > beliefs (can you say "thought police"? I knew you > could!). > Keval Keval / Peter, just a suggestion... can you put such post-ers under "moderated" so that their posts can be moderated by you before being released to the group? As I am a moderator of another group, I know groups allows this feature. I am not saying that you DO this, I am only saying that's an option too.... the decision is Peter's and/or yours. Thanks Manoj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2004 Report Share Posted September 14, 2004 It was my understanding that the moderator is to keeep this an Amma site and not have postings of Hare Krishna or other teachings unless they are somehow related obviously to Mother. I know everything is related to Amma but I mean obviously. Isnt it? Am i off- it is possible, as I usually am. In Amma's Ambujam Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > I have nothing > against Hare Krishna or other non-Amma teachings per > se, but such postings should be limited to one or two > short paragraphs and a link to the full text. > > > PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this > > room that persist in advertising other's thoughts > > or ideas or beliefs. > > > > As co-moderator, I wouldn't go so far as to ban > postings of non-Amma-related thoughts, ideas or > beliefs (can you say "thought police"? I knew you > could!). But ads for commercial websites, products, > or profit-making schemes are spam, and anyone posting > such messages will be bounced from this group in a > heartbeat. > > Keval > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 Agree completely, Keval. Amma herself has never said only to give to Amma-related charities, nor has she said only to read Amma-spoken dharma. I think a reasonable amount of discrimination applies here, not rigid fundamentalism. namaste, Jim / Pranav Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > > > Although I feel comfortable with a wider latitude of > > spiritual posts than Alexander, even I would also > > prefer that these posts stop. (I haven't paid too > > much attention, but are they associated with Krishna > > Consciousness?). > > I would also like to see the long posts quoting > chapter and verse of Prabhupada's ISKCON texts stop. > Remember, some of us have slow dial-up connections, > obsolete molasses-slow computers, or even no computers > of our own and have limited time to read e-mail at > internet cafes or public libraries. I have nothing > against Hare Krishna or other non-Amma teachings per > se, but such postings should be limited to one or two > short paragraphs and a link to the full text. > > > PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this > > room that persist in advertising other's thoughts > > or ideas or beliefs. > > > > As co-moderator, I wouldn't go so far as to ban > postings of non-Amma-related thoughts, ideas or > beliefs (can you say "thought police"? I knew you > could!). But ads for commercial websites, products, > or profit-making schemes are spam, and anyone posting > such messages will be bounced from this group in a > heartbeat. > > Keval > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2004 Report Share Posted September 15, 2004 P.S. - the one thing I wish could be changed is the constant barrage of Personals ads. Other groups seem to have different subject matter. Maybe there's something in the group settings that tells what the subject matter is, e.g., if it says something about "people meeting other people" simply defaults to spamming members about meeting their dream date? Ammachi, "Jim Butler" <acujames> wrote: > Agree completely, Keval. Amma herself has never said only to give > to Amma-related charities, nor has she said only to read Amma- spoken > dharma. I think a reasonable amount of discrimination applies here, > not rigid fundamentalism. > > namaste, > Jim / Pranav > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > > > > > Although I feel comfortable with a wider latitude of > > > spiritual posts than Alexander, even I would also > > > prefer that these posts stop. (I haven't paid too > > > much attention, but are they associated with Krishna > > > Consciousness?). > > > > I would also like to see the long posts quoting > > chapter and verse of Prabhupada's ISKCON texts stop. > > Remember, some of us have slow dial-up connections, > > obsolete molasses-slow computers, or even no computers > > of our own and have limited time to read e-mail at > > internet cafes or public libraries. I have nothing > > against Hare Krishna or other non-Amma teachings per > > se, but such postings should be limited to one or two > > short paragraphs and a link to the full text. > > > > > PS .. I see no problem in BANNING those from this > > > room that persist in advertising other's thoughts > > > or ideas or beliefs. > > > > > > > As co-moderator, I wouldn't go so far as to ban > > postings of non-Amma-related thoughts, ideas or > > beliefs (can you say "thought police"? I knew you > > could!). But ads for commercial websites, products, > > or profit-making schemes are spam, and anyone posting > > such messages will be bounced from this group in a > > heartbeat. > > > > Keval > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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