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In a message dated 6/8/04 5:06:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Ammachi writes:

 

 

Dear Barbara:

 

Too bad for you that this issue we are discussing is in the newspapers! We,

as involved with Amma, cannot afford to not see it. Amma has commented upon

it and it is an issue to be grappled with. Sorry if this is not what you like

to hear. You, and others like you, would call for the "monitor" to silence

this discussion, just as the devotee wants to silence the critic, Pattathanam.

It is exactly what he is doing. You are doing the same thing, albeit not suing

us and jailing us. But the sentiment is the same. We are discussing an

ethical issue, and we are not resorting to insults or abuse of any kind, so the

analogy to snowballs and children is just your own maternalistic patronizing of

grown men, so stop it and grow up, please.Avram

 

> Message: 4

> Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:18:42 -0500

> Barbara Edmonds <edmondsb

> Monitor ???

>

> Namah Shivaya.....

> Where is the monitor for Ammachi not our

> brothers taken this entire topic TOOOOOO far ?

> Why speculate and argue over humankind................should we not be

> working toward spiritual matters.

>

> Please stop !!! Keval, Sprouse, Avram, &Avinash......please take your

> concerns to a private chat.......and do not disrupt those of us who

> prefer to stay our of your quarrels.

>

> I feel like I am again observing grade school playground time between

> the boys who are throwing bigger and bigger snow balls at each other,

> and no one knows which team they belong.....and there are many rocks in

> the middle of the snow balls.

>

>

> Amritavarshini

 

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Ammachi

Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:11 PM

Re: Digest Number 1202

Namaste, Avram and others,

 

What has Mother had to say about the situation? I am completely on the fence

about this one: I don't want anyone to criticize my Holy Mother, but I think

that's purely from my own feeling of protectiveness towards Her. Sort of that

old "Hurt me? If you have to. Hurt someone I love? Don't even think about it!"

 

The one thing I am trying to keep in mind is that I've read somewhere that

Amma beseeches us not to get angry in the name of religion. I'm not being naive

about the damage that this type of thing can cause, but I feel so insignificant

in the face of challenges like these - how can anything I say add or detract one

speck from Mother's glory?

 

Not exactly the same subject, but I am surprised at my complete lack of

interest in "witnessing" for Amma and, similarly, I have not felt the slightest

urge to encourage even my dearest friends to meet Mother - having been raised

Christian, it feels odd to not want to 'encourage' others along these lines, but

I have a deep, deep sense that those who are to be with Amma will find their own

way to Her. Or hear Her call, I don't which it is.

 

Talk about muddled.

 

At Mother's Feet with Love,

Dixie

 

PS. Jyotsna, dear Sister, I was at the retreat with you in

spiritually, but another sister physically helped you

with registration. (-:

 

 

 

In a message dated 6/8/04 5:06:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Ammachi writes:

 

 

Dear Barbara:

 

Too bad for you that this issue we are discussing is in the newspapers! We,

as involved with Amma, cannot afford to not see it. Amma has commented upon

it and it is an issue to be grappled with. Sorry if this is not what you like

to hear. You, and others like you, would call for the "monitor" to silence

this discussion, just as the devotee wants to silence the critic, Pattathanam.

It is exactly what he is doing. You are doing the same thing, albeit not suing

us and jailing us. But the sentiment is the same. We are discussing an

ethical issue, and we are not resorting to insults or abuse of any kind, so

the

analogy to snowballs and children is just your own maternalistic patronizing

of

grown men, so stop it and grow up, please.Avram

 

> Message: 4

> Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:18:42 -0500

> Barbara Edmonds <edmondsb

> Monitor ???

>

> Namah Shivaya.....

> Where is the monitor for Ammachi not our

> brothers taken this entire topic TOOOOOO far ?

> Why speculate and argue over humankind................should we not be

> working toward spiritual matters.

>

> Please stop !!! Keval, Sprouse, Avram, &Avinash......please take your

> concerns to a private chat.......and do not disrupt those of us who

> prefer to stay our of your quarrels.

>

> I feel like I am again observing grade school playground time between

> the boys who are throwing bigger and bigger snow balls at each other,

> and no one knows which team they belong.....and there are many rocks in

> the middle of the snow balls.

>

>

> Amritavarshini

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

Ammachi/

 

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Ammachi

 

c..

 

 

 

 

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Hi all,

 

This discussion brought to mind the following quote:

 

"Children, if someone asks about our lifestyle, our

reply should be: 'Doesn't each of us act for his or

her own peace and happiness? We see mental peace in

this life-style. Why should you question our basic

values? You seek happiness far and wide. See how much

money you spend on luxeries, on intoxicants and on

things you don't really need! Why should you feel

upset if we go to our ashram or show interest in

spiritual matters?' We should develop the strength to

speak openly like that. Don't be timid. Be bold. We

should lead our lives nurturing our spiritual heritage

within us."

-Amma, from "Immortal Light"

 

It seems like every spiritual and/or religious path

known to man becomes subject to the attacks of others.

Amma has, of course, been slandered many times. I

don't think She wants us to silence the critics, as

I've seen other gurus do. In fact, I once asked Her

how to deal with my doubts, and Her reply was that the

only way to overcome doubt is to question and question

until we no longer have that doubt. Then we can let go

and begin to surrender, and with surrender comes

faith.

 

One thing I'd like to add; the devotees are not

representatives of Amma. She doesn't ask us to speak

on Her behalf, and Amma should not be judged by the

behavior of Her devotees. A LOT of people consider

themselves devotees or disciples, but we've got to be

careful about blaming the actions of one on the whole.

In fact, I'd say the majority of negative things I've

heard about Mother are actually people's complaints

about specific devotees.

 

What I think is that no matter who you are, someone

somewhere is bound to think you're completely screwed

up, though you may be spotless in your own eyes. As

followers of a well-known guru, we are bound to get

some fingers pointed at us. It can be confusing. My

suggestion to all is to honor your doubts by being

knowledgable, to be strong and informed, and to

remember to keep an open heart.

 

love,

 

Brianna

 

P.S. I'm personally not offended by the topic. I agree

that people should have the right to speak against

Amma, even though it makes me sad and sometimes angry.

 

 

--- Dixie Thacker <dixielou wrote:

>

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> sprose1

> Ammachi

> Wednesday, June 09, 2004 6:11 PM

> Re: Digest Number 1202

> Namaste, Avram and others,

>

> What has Mother had to say about the situation? I

> am completely on the fence about this one: I don't

> want anyone to criticize my Holy Mother, but I think

> that's purely from my own feeling of protectiveness

> towards Her. Sort of that old "Hurt me? If you have

> to. Hurt someone I love? Don't even think about

> it!"

>

> The one thing I am trying to keep in mind is that

> I've read somewhere that Amma beseeches us not to

> get angry in the name of religion. I'm not being

> naive about the damage that this type of thing can

> cause, but I feel so insignificant in the face of

> challenges like these - how can anything I say add

> or detract one speck from Mother's glory?

>

> Not exactly the same subject, but I am surprised

> at my complete lack of interest in "witnessing" for

> Amma and, similarly, I have not felt the slightest

> urge to encourage even my dearest friends to meet

> Mother - having been raised Christian, it feels odd

> to not want to 'encourage' others along these lines,

> but I have a deep, deep sense that those who are to

> be with Amma will find their own way to Her. Or

> hear Her call, I don't which it is.

>

> Talk about muddled.

>

> At Mother's Feet with Love,

> Dixie

>

> PS. Jyotsna, dear Sister, I was at the retreat

> with you in

> spiritually, but another sister physically

> helped you

> with registration. (-:

>

>

>

> In a message dated 6/8/04 5:06:56 PM Pacific

> Daylight Time,

> Ammachi writes:

>

>

> Dear Barbara:

>

> Too bad for you that this issue we are discussing

> is in the newspapers! We,

> as involved with Amma, cannot afford to not see

> it. Amma has commented upon

> it and it is an issue to be grappled with. Sorry

> if this is not what you like

> to hear. You, and others like you, would call for

> the "monitor" to silence

> this discussion, just as the devotee wants to

> silence the critic, Pattathanam.

> It is exactly what he is doing. You are doing the

> same thing, albeit not suing

> us and jailing us. But the sentiment is the same.

> We are discussing an

> ethical issue, and we are not resorting to insults

> or abuse of any kind, so the

> analogy to snowballs and children is just your own

> maternalistic patronizing of

> grown men, so stop it and grow up, please.Avram

>

> > Message: 4

> > Mon, 7 Jun 2004 19:18:42 -0500

> > Barbara Edmonds <edmondsb

> > Monitor ???

> >

> > Namah Shivaya.....

> > Where is the monitor for

> Ammachi not our

> > brothers taken this entire topic TOOOOOO far ?

> > Why speculate and argue over

> humankind................should we not be

> > working toward spiritual matters.

> >

> > Please stop !!! Keval, Sprouse, Avram,

> &Avinash......please take your

> > concerns to a private chat.......and do not

> disrupt those of us who

> > prefer to stay our of your quarrels.

> >

> > I feel like I am again observing grade school

> playground time between

> > the boys who are throwing bigger and bigger snow

> balls at each other,

> > and no one knows which team they belong.....and

> there are many rocks in

> > the middle of the snow balls.

> >

> >

> > Amritavarshini

>

> >

>

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