It all depends...

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Well, as my mother always said, it all depends on

whose ox is being gored. Did Amma not take

devotees away from other churches here? I know for

a fact some of them are not happy about that. I have

heard from truthful people that Amma has been very

unhappy when certain devotees of hers left Her for

another guru. The pope talks about how good

"religious plurality" is

when he's in India, where the Catholic Church is

seeking converts, but not in Rome, where the

Catholic Church is top dog.

 

Ah, the human condition.... The only possible

course is to let everyone follow their conscience

and pray that God's will be done.

 

Love,

Jyotsna

 

 

--- Aikya Param <aikya wrote:

> I agree. Conversion is religious globalization.

> Diversity is a

> good thing regarding plants, animals, people and

> religions.

>

> Aikya

>

> Ammachi, "Krishna Prasad"

> <rkrishp99>

> wrote:

> > Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

> >

> > Poojya Aikya Param,

> >

> > The outsourcing might not be directly related, but

> it is somehow

> > related indirectly, this is another technique for

> conversion, You

> > know at Palakkad what happened one of the priest's

> daughter the

> > converter's want to convert and they said same

> like Poojya Swamiji

> > said in his article like all these worships of

> Ganesha, Shivaji

> etc

> > are devil worships and you should worship only

> their God which is

> a

> > cross, nobody can hurt anybody's religious

> sentiments, so as

> Poojya

> > Swamiji says, ALL CONVERTING RELITIONS ARE

> DANGEROUS! IT IS LIKE

> > ANOTHER COLONISATION THROUGH RELIGION! We can all

> practice the

> > rellgion that we are naturally born, if not we

> will miss our

> > identities. HIndu religion accepts and respects

> all other

> religions

> > but not vice versa! unfortunately.

> >

> > May Poojya Gurudev and Ammachi bless all.

> >

> > With Love & OM!

> >

> > OM Nama Shivaya!

> > OM Amriteswariye Namaha

> >

> > Krishna Prasad

> >

> > Ammachi, "Aikya Param"

> <aikya> wrote:

> > > With the greatest respect for Pujya Swami

> Dayananda Saraswati

> who

> > > taught me from 1979 to 1982, I do not think this

> "spritual

> > > outsourcing" was direclty rel;ated conversion.

> It has to do

> with

> > >

> > > --sending requests for spiritual services like

> pujas or Holy

> Mass,

> > > outside the originating country where fees for

> those services

> are

> > > high (and where these services could be

> performed quite well) to

> > > another country where the money exchange makes

> this highly

> > > profitable, and

> > >

> > > --a third party, neither the requesting person

> nor the agent who

> > > performs the service, keeps most of the profit.

> > >

> > > The story told about Holy Mass being said in

> Kerala churches for

> > > individuals living in Great Britain or the US.

> The exhange rate

> > for

> > > US dollars to rupees was around 50 to 1 so a fee

> of US$50 would

> > > become 50 X 50 rupees. The story told that most

> of that money

> was

> > > retained by the umbrella organization called a

> diocese and that

> > only

> > > a small proportion went to the parish where the

> Mass was said.

> > >

> > > If the diocese is using the money it keeps for

> conversion

> > > activities, then it is a nastier mess and

> related to

> > conversion.but

> > > what drives people to convert in the first

> place? More effective

> > > than objecting to conversion are Amma's

> charitable works which

> > > remove people's suffering while retaining the

> values of sanatana

> > > dharma. Pujya Swamiji is encourages such

> service in villages in

> > > India but it seems Amma gave the example.

> > >

> > > Aikya

> > >

> > > Ammachi, Brianna

> Mosteller

> > > <rubyrapunzel> wrote:

> > > > KP! Thank you for this. What strikes me is the

> > > > inherant contrast between the hindu and

> christian

> > > > mindset. If you go to a hindu and say, "Let me

> teach

> > > > you about my religion," s/he will most likely

> say

> > > > "Sure, tell me about it," because hinduism

> encourages

> > > > inquiry and does not say that any path is

> wrong.

> > > > Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that

> those who

> > > > don't follow the eternal religion will perish,

> and

> > > > those who do will be rewarded.

> > > >

> > > > The christian mentality is to do good to avoid

> God's

> > > > wrath and escape hell, and to earn a place in

> > > > paradise. The hindu is under no threat of hell

> other

> > > > than the cycle of birth and death. Every

> action has a

> > > > karmic affect on the universe and all life

> contained

> > > > within it, so we strive to do good for the

> world,

> > > > knowing that it is to our own benefit as well.

> > > >

> > > > Conversion is contrary to hinduism, because

> it's not

> > > > an "organized religion." You can chose to live

> > > > according to it's wisdom, or you can chose a

> differant

> > > > path. All paths lead to yoga. Some are longer

> than

> > > > others.

> > > >

> > > > It is absolutly an act of violence to attack

> another's

> > > > spiritual beliefs, and to criticise someone's

> cultural

> > > > heritage. It is not only an act of violence on

> the

> > > > individual, but on the future of that culture

> as a

> > > > whole. The egyptians, greeks, western

> europeans and

> > > > native americans are great examples of

> cultures who

> > > > were either partially or completely wiped out

> by the

> > > > hand of organized religion. The east is indeed

> in

> > > > danger, right now, of the same fate. Large

> areas of

> > > > Asia and Indonesia are already converted

> > > >

> > > > While it is true that at their heart, all of

> the

> > > > world's major religions are in harmony, it is

> the

> > > > hindu, the buddhist, the jain, the taoist, the

> > > > tantric, who is proclaiming this truth, not

> those from

> > > > the "oraganized religions," who each believe

> theirs is

> > > > the only way. It's a difficult predicament

> because the

> > > > eastern way of thinking (receptive,

> > > > compassionate)makes him more susceptible to

> the

> > > > western way of thinking ("My way,"

> right/wrong).

> > > >

> > > > Children should be taught about their cultural

> > > > heritage with pride and reverance. I love that

> Amma

> > > > has made such a priority of gurukula style

> education.

> > > >

> > > > So, yes there is a problem. What do we do?

> Clearly we

> > > > must speak to those who are targeted for

> conversion.

> > > > Any ideas?

>

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