Digest Number 1171In India all the people were Hindus

[Guest guest]

Hari OM! OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

 

Dear Mike,

 

In India, the muslims and Christians you are seeing nowadays their

ancestors were Hindus! all these conversion happened because of the

missionaries, due to British rules and the Mughal ruling.

 

Whatever the reports says, Hindusim can never be destroyed, whenever

Hinduism goes down some or other great masters like Ammachi, Swami

Chinmayananada, Swami Vivekananda, Adi Shankaracharya appears, and

lift the religion. Because Hindusim is not a religion it is a way of

life Sanatana Dharma, it is the universal religion, that is the

reason you have the feeling that Ammachi is pro-christian, she is not

even pro-christian She is pro-human, pro-love, pro-kindness, etc

etc....

 

I still do not understand, Why the Christians want to spread their

religions and they do not want to accept other religions? is it not

the feeling of insecurity(insecurity the only reason for that is

utter ignorance) in themselves to make majority people, and acheive

their selfish needs.

 

Even Jesus studied Yoga, meditation in India at Kashmir. Without that

he cannot have done the re-surrection, only a Yogi can do that, Jesus

is only one of the Rishis, there is Akashic records for that, he is

pro-Hindu, Pro all the religion in the world, but his followers

mistook him. Like Muslims acts literally whatever is said in the

Quran, actually Jesus advised the fishermen in their language which

their intellect can perceive, we have no reason to take that meaning

literally and practice.

 

read the proof from the below links that Jesus lived in India.

 

ALL CONVERTING RELIGIONS ARE DANGEROUS! BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES ARE

NOT FEELING SECURE THEN HOW CAN THEY CONSOLE OTHERS??

 

research by a Russian.

 

http://www.tombofjesus.com/Notovichrap.htm

 

One of the other link

 

http://www.spinninglobe.net/histjesusearch.html

 

With Love & OM!

 

OM Nama Shivaya!

OM Amriteswariye Namaha!

 

Krishna Prasad

 

Ammachi, "Mike Jamieson" <mdj1950> wrote:

> Ammachi, Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027>

> wrote:

> > Namah Shivaya,

> >

> > May I request we refrain from religion bashing?

> >

> http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html

>

> Above is the link to a translation of the Gospel of Thomas. Thomas

> the one who went to India. Scholars think now that it represents

the

> most accurate representation of what Jesus said. It has a definite

> non-dualistic "spirit" to it. And, an emphasis on the "kingdom of

> heaven" as being everpresent, accessible here and now (and not at

> some distant time, or as a result of being rewarded in some future

> time). Some sections of this gospel were added onto to, at 2

> different times (with influences from Gnostic writings and the

Gospel

> of John). But, in it's original state it appears to be based on a

> very early collection of Jesus' sayings (without biographical

> material).

>

> Hope that gives some balance to the picture of Christianity here.

>

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[Guest guest]

Ammachi, "Krishna Prasad" <rkrishp99>

wrote:

 

> I still do not understand, Why the Christians want to spread their

> religions and they do not want to accept other religions? is it not

> the feeling of insecurity(insecurity the only reason for that is

> utter ignorance) in themselves to make majority people, and acheive

> their selfish needs.

 

We have a saying over here in America, when people encourage us to

try drugs: "Just say no!" Or, "no, thanks, not interested."

Personally I don't have a hard time making the point that I'm not

interested in accepting Jesus as my lord and savior. Which...brings

up your question: why do Christians want to spread their religion?

The answer is that they believe that Salvation (whatever that is,

lol) can only come if a person accepts Jesus in their heart as their

lord and savior. So, they think they are trying to save you (and I)

from going to hell. In the west, people are free to promote their

religion and to seek converts. We even have some sects go door to

door! (Irritating, sure, to many of us.....but, folks come up with

ways to get rid of them. For example, my mother used to tell Jehovah

Witnesses that she was a Roman Catholic and they would run from her

like she was a demon!)

 

 

> Even Jesus studied Yoga, meditation in India at Kashmir. Without

that

> he cannot have done the re-surrection, only a Yogi can do that,

Jesus

> is only one of the Rishis, there is Akashic records for that, he is

> pro-Hindu, Pro all the religion in the world, but his followers

> mistook him. Like Muslims acts literally whatever is said in the

> Quran, actually Jesus advised the fishermen in their language which

> their intellect can perceive, we have no reason to take that

meaning

> literally and practice.

>

> read the proof from the below links that Jesus lived in India.

>

> ALL CONVERTING RELIGIONS ARE DANGEROUS! BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES ARE

> NOT FEELING SECURE THEN HOW CAN THEY CONSOLE OTHERS??

 

I'm not so sure this is a healthy thing to harp on. Doesn't

look "good" to western eyes. Note what Gabriela requested. She's

obviously not going to be alone (re: the point about bashing other

religions).

 

Finally, I personally have been acquainted with the material you

linked for us. In my case, I became familiar with it through the

scholarship by Holger Kersten. I found this synopsis of one of his

books and cut and pasted it here below. I have learned towards this

hypothesis for a long time (since the late 80s). I often wondered

what would happen if we were allowed to dig up that tomb in Sringar,

Kashmir! (And compare the DNA of the blood on the shroud with any

possible remaining DNA samples remaining in that tomb.) Not going to

happen, I know, but still.........the potential impact!

 

Holger Kersten: "It is simply of vital importance to find again the

path to the sources, to the eternal and central truths of Christ's

message, which has been shaken almost beyond recognition by the

profane ambitions of more or less secular institutions arrogating to

themselves a religious authority. This is an attempt to open a way to

a new future, firmly founded in the true spiritual and religious

sources of the past".

 

 

----

----------

 

Thus begins Holger Kersten's book "Jesus Lived in India". This German

book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the

evidence of Christ's life beyond the Middle East before the

Crucifixion and in India and elsewhere after it.

 

This article is a summary of Kersten's exhaustive research into

Christ's travels after the Crucifixion, his arrival in India with the

Mother Mary and finally his death and entombment in Kashmir. Kersten

notes the many parallels of Christ's teachings with other religious

and cultural traditions and suggests that at least some of these

figures may have been one and the same personality. It is not

possible, Kersten asserts, to disprove that Christ went to India. The

current information documenting Christ's life is restricted to the

gospels and the work of Church theologians. One can hardly trust

these sources to be objective considering their obvious interest in

maintaining the authority of their Church and its grip on the masses.

 

 

The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest that

Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian scholar

and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys to

the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist

monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint

called "Issa". Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of

Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life, teachings

and crucifixion.

 

For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia,

Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary to

a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in Kashmir,

teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a great

prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in

Kashmir itself.

 

The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in

the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work "Jami-ut-tuwarik"

which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal

invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This is

reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's "Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-

tubri." Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are

ancient stories of a saint called "Yuz Asaf" ("Leader of the

Healed"), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably

similar to that of Christ.

 

The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local history

and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to be

travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the

Koran, for example, refers to Christ as "Issar". Further east, the

Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing

Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These

traditional legends have been ignored by the theological community.

 

Kersten also suggests that prior to Christ's mission in the Middle

East, he may have been exposed to Buddhist teachings in Egypt. After

his birth in Bethlehem, his family fled to Egypt to avoid Herod's

persecution. Surprisingly some scholars now acknowledge that Buddhist

schools probably existed in Alexandria long before the Christian era.

 

More clues are drawn from the Apocrypha. These are texts said to have

been written by the Apostles but which are not officially accepted by

the Church. Indeed, the Church regards them as heresy since a

substantial amount of the Apocrypha directly contradicts Church dogma

and theology. The Apocryphal 'Acts of Thomas', for example, tell how

Christ met Thomas several times after the Crucifixion. In fact they

tell us how Christ sent Thomas to teach his spirituality in India.

This is corroborated by evidence found in the form of stone

inscriptions at Fatehpur Sikri, near the Taj Mahal, in Northern

India. They include "Agrapha", which are sayings of Christ that don't

exist in the mainstream Bible. Their grammatical form is most similar

to that of the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas. This is but one example

giving credibility to the idea that texts not recognised by the

Church hold important clues about Christ's true life and his

teachings.

 

In tracing Christ's movements to India and beyond, Kersten also

discovered that many of his teachings, which have been gradually

edited out of the modern Bible were originally Eastern in nature.

Principles such as karma and re-incarnation, for example, were common

knowledge then, and seem to have been reaffirmed by Christ. Imagine

the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity

and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top pockets

and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow

teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin!

 

Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the

Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to

the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic Scriptures

and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are not

given credence by mainstream theologians. In these texts Thomas tells

of Christ's appearance in Andrapolis, Paphlagonia (today known as in

the extreme north of Anatolia) as a guest of the King of Andrappa.

There he met with Thomas who had arrived separately. It is at

Andrapolis that Christ entreated Thomas to go to India to begin

spreading his teachings. It seems that Christ and Mary then moved

along the West coast of Turkey, proof of this could be an old

stopping place for travellers called the "Home of Mary", found along

the ancient silk route. From here Christ could easily have entered

Europe via France. He may have even travelled as far as the British

Isles, for in England there is an ancient oak tree called

the "Hallowed Tree" which (says local legend) was planted by Christ

himself.

 

In his travels through Persia (today's Iran) Christ became known as

Yuz Asaf (leader of the Healed). We know this because a Kashmiri

historical document confirms that Isa (the Koranic name for Christ)

was in fact also known as Yuz Asaf. The Jami - uf - Tamarik, Volume

II, tells that Yuz Asaf visited Masslige, where he attended the grave

of Shem, Noah's son. There are various other accounts such as Agha

Mustafa's "Awhali Shahaii-i-paras" that tell of Yuz Asaf's travels

and teachings all over Persia. It seems that Yuz Asaf blessed

Afghanistan and Pakistan with his presence also. There are for

example two plains in Eastern Afghanistan near Gazni and Galalabad,

bearing the name of the prophet Yuz Asaf. Again in the Apocryphal

Acts of Thomas, Thomas says that he and Christ attended the Court of

King Gundafor of Taxila (now Pakistan), in about 47AD, and that

eventually both the King and his brother accepted Christ's teachings.

Kersten claims that there are more than twenty one historical

documents that bear witness to the existence of Jesus in Kashmir,

where he was known also as Yuz Asaf and Issa. For example the

Bhavishyat Mahapurana (volume 9 verses 17-32) contains an account of

Issa-Masih (Jesus the Messiah). It describes Christ's arrival in the

Kashmir region of India and his encounter with King Shalivahana, who

ruled the Kushan area (39-50AD), and who entertained Christ as a

guest for some time.

 

{Christ's life in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current

Church teachings at their very foundation. The theology of Saint

Paul, the major influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism

in the light of this discovery.|

 

The historian Mullah Nadini (1413) also recounts a story of Yuz Asaf

who was a contemporary to King Gopadatta, and confirms that he also

used the name Issar, ie. Jesus. There is also much historical truth

in the towns and villages of Northern India to prove that Jesus and

his mother Mary spent time in the area. For instance, at the border

of a small town called Mari, there is nearby a mountain called Pindi

Point, upon which is an old tomb called Mai Mari da Asthan or "The

final resting place of Mary". The tomb is said to be very old and

local Muslims venerate it as the grave of Issa's (ie Christ's)

Mother. The tomb itself is oriented East-West consistent with the

Jewish tradition, despite the fact it is within a Muslim area.

Assuming its antiquity, such a tomb could not be Hindu either since

the Hindus contemporary to Christ cremated their dead and scattered

their ashes as do Hindus today.

 

Following Christ's trail into Kashmir, 40km south of Srinagar,

between the villages of Naugam and Nilmge is a meadow called Yuz-Marg

(the meadow of Yuz Asaf, ie. Jesus). Then there is the sacred

building called Aish Muqam, 60km south east of Srinagar and 12km from

Bij Bihara. "Aish" says Kersten is derived from "Issa" and "Muqam"

place of rest or repose. Within the Aish Muqam is a sacred relic

called the 'Moses Rod' or the 'Jesus Rod', which local legend says,

belonged to Moses himself. Christ is said to also have held it,

perhaps to confirm his Mosaic heritage. Above the town of Srinagar is

a temple known as "The Throne of Solomon", which dates back to at

least 1000BC, which King Gopadatta had restored at about the same

time as Christ's advent. The restoration was done by a Persian

architect who personally left four inscriptions on the side steps of

the temple. The third and fourth inscription read: "At this time Yuz

Asaf announced his prophetic calling in Year 50 and 4" and "He is

Jesus -- Prophet of the Sons of Israel"! Herein lies a powerful

confirmation of Kersten's theory. Kersten suggests that Christ may

have travelled to the South of India also, finally returning to

Kashmir to die at the age of approximately 80 years. Christ's tomb,

says Kersten, lies in Srinagar's old town in a building called

Rozabal. "Rozabal" is an abbreviation of Rauza Bal, meaning "tomb of

a prophet". At the entrance there is an inscription explaining that

Yuz Asaf is buried along with another Moslem saint. Both have

gravestones which are oriented in North-South direction, according to

Moslem tradition. However, through a small opening the true burial

chamber can be seen, in which there is the Sarcophagus of Yuz Asaf in

East-West (Jewish) orientation!

 

According to Professor Hassnain, who has studied this tomb, there are

carved footprints on the grave stones and when closely examined,

carved images of a crucifix and a rosary. The footprints of Yuz Asaf

have what appear to be scars represented on both feet, if one assumes

that they are crucifixion scars, then their position is consistent

with the scars shown in the Turin Shroud (left foot nailed over

right). Crucifixion was not practised in Asia, so it is quite

possible that they were inflicted elsewhere, such as the Middle East.

The tomb is called by some as "Hazrat Issa Sahib" or "Tomb of the

Lord Master Jesus". Ancient records acknowledge the existence of the

tomb as long ago as 112AD. The Grand Mufti, a prominent Muslim

Cleric, himself has confirmed that Hazrat Isa Sahib is indeed the

tomb of Yuz Asaf!

 

Thus Kersten deduces that the tomb of Jesus Christ Himself is in

Kashmir!

 

The implications of Kersten's discovery are monumental. Christ's life

in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current Church teachings

at their very foundation. The theology of Saint Paul, the major

influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism in the light of

this discovery. Threatened also are the doctrines of obedience to the

Church, original sin, salvation through blind faith and the non-

existence of reincarnation, etc. Yet these ideas underlie the

morality and ethics, (or lack of them), that govern the entire

Western social structure, from the legal system to medical health

care schemes. It is no wonder that the modern Churches and their

secular interests refuse to consider such a proposition as Kersten's!

 

The Synopsis of "Jesus Lived In India" by Holger Kersten was written

by Dr Ramesh Manocha & Anna Potts.

 

 

 

Back to Issue 7

 

 

 

 

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Ammachi, "Mike Jamieson" <mdj1950> wrote:

> We have a saying over here in America, when people encourage us to

> try drugs: "Just say no!" Or, "no, thanks, not interested."

> Personally I don't have a hard time making the point that I'm not

> interested in accepting Jesus as my lord and savior.

Which...brings

> up your question: why do Christians want to spread their religion?

> The answer is that they believe that Salvation (whatever that is,

> lol) can only come if a person accepts Jesus in their heart as

their

> lord and savior. So, they think they are trying to save you (and

I)

> from going to hell. In the west, people are free to promote their

> religion and to seek converts. We even have some sects go door to

> door!

 

Answer for the above from Swami Dayanandaji's article:

 

So nobody has any business to intrude into my privacy. You come .and

tell me that I have got to save my soul. But I don't look upon myself

as condemned for you to come and save. We, really, don't have a word

in Sanskrit, equivalent for salvation. Because, 'salvation' means you

have been condemned. Unless you are condemned, you need not be saved.

 

 

 

But this man comes and tells me that I am damned. I have to believe

that first. Then he appoints himself to save me. This is very

interesting. This is how the union leaders work. You create a problem

and then appoint yourself as a leader to solve it. (Laughter) You

become inevitable thereafter.

 

 

 

Instead of the word 'salvation', we have a word 'moksha'. Here, among

the dignitaries there are may gurus. All of them have a common word

and that common word is moksha. Is it not true? For every one of them

it is moksha.

 

 

 

Moksha is not a word which is equivalent to salvation. It is derived

from the verbal root moksh = mokshane. It means freedom from bondage.

All of them use the word moksha. Even Saankhyas use this word.

Vaiseshikas, Naiyaayikas and all others use this word moksha. In

fact, if moksha is not an end in view, it is not 0 school of thought

to talk about. We all have a moksha. Even Chaarvaakas, the

materialist, has his own concept of moksha. 'Body goes'; that is

moksha for him. He says, bhasmeebhutasya dehasya punaraagamanam

kutaha.

 

 

 

So the word moksha does not mean salvation. It refers to freedom from

bondage. On the other hand the aggressive religions have this belief

system that you are condemned and you have to be saved.

 

 

 

When I look into these theologies, what I see is very interesting. I

need not say anything to prove that they are illogical. I have to

only state what they say!

 

 

 

I would like to illustrate this:

 

 

 

You must have heard about the 'Godfather'. You know the Mafia don is

called the Godfather. He makes an offer that you cannot refuse.

 

 

 

He comes and tells you: I am buying your house".

 

 

 

You may say, I am not selling".

 

 

 

He says, "You are selling".

 

 

 

This type of approach was existing in Madras for some time, I am

told. I hope it does not come back again. (Loud laughter and applause)

 

 

 

The fellow comes and tells: I am buying your house!"

 

 

 

And you reply, "This is my house and I am not selling".

 

 

 

He says, "You are selling it and you are selling it at this price".

 

 

 

He decides the price also and then tells you, I know exactly where

your children are studying and when they are coming home also".

 

 

 

He threatens you and buys the house.

 

 

 

Thus, a Godfather is one who makes an offer that you cannot refuse.

 

 

 

Now, what about God, the Father? He is worse, I tell you, because he

says either you follow this person or I will condemn you eternally to

hell. This is worse than the offer of the Mafia don! This too is an

offer, which I cannot refuse. And it is worse.

 

 

 

In the other case at least, I can do something. But here he is not

even visible. He is sitting in a place even safer than Dubai! I

cannot do anything to him. This is the non‑verifiable belief on

which

their religion is based.

 

 

 

 

 

(Irritating, sure, to many of us.....but, folks come up with

> ways to get rid of them. For example, my mother used to tell

Jehovah

> Witnesses that she was a Roman Catholic and they would run from her

> like she was a demon!)

>

>

> > Even Jesus studied Yoga, meditation in India at Kashmir. Without

> that

> > he cannot have done the re-surrection, only a Yogi can do that,

> Jesus

> > is only one of the Rishis, there is Akashic records for that, he

is

> > pro-Hindu, Pro all the religion in the world, but his followers

> > mistook him. Like Muslims acts literally whatever is said in the

> > Quran, actually Jesus advised the fishermen in their language

which

> > their intellect can perceive, we have no reason to take that

> meaning

> > literally and practice.

> >

> > read the proof from the below links that Jesus lived in India.

> >

> > ALL CONVERTING RELIGIONS ARE DANGEROUS! BECAUSE THEY THEMSELVES

ARE

> > NOT FEELING SECURE THEN HOW CAN THEY CONSOLE OTHERS??

>

> I'm not so sure this is a healthy thing to harp on. Doesn't

> look "good" to western eyes. Note what Gabriela requested. She's

> obviously not going to be alone (re: the point about bashing other

> religions).

>

> Finally, I personally have been acquainted with the material you

> linked for us. In my case, I became familiar with it through the

> scholarship by Holger Kersten. I found this synopsis of one of his

> books and cut and pasted it here below. I have learned towards

this

> hypothesis for a long time (since the late 80s). I often wondered

> what would happen if we were allowed to dig up that tomb in

Sringar,

> Kashmir! (And compare the DNA of the blood on the shroud with any

> possible remaining DNA samples remaining in that tomb.) Not going

to

> happen, I know, but still.........the potential impact!

>

> Holger Kersten: "It is simply of vital importance to find again the

> path to the sources, to the eternal and central truths of Christ's

> message, which has been shaken almost beyond recognition by the

> profane ambitions of more or less secular institutions arrogating

to

> themselves a religious authority. This is an attempt to open a way

to

> a new future, firmly founded in the true spiritual and religious

> sources of the past".

>

>

> --

--

> ----------

>

> Thus begins Holger Kersten's book "Jesus Lived in India". This

German

> book is a thorough, methodical and authoritative examination of the

> evidence of Christ's life beyond the Middle East before the

> Crucifixion and in India and elsewhere after it.

>

> This article is a summary of Kersten's exhaustive research into

> Christ's travels after the Crucifixion, his arrival in India with

the

> Mother Mary and finally his death and entombment in Kashmir.

Kersten

> notes the many parallels of Christ's teachings with other religious

> and cultural traditions and suggests that at least some of these

> figures may have been one and the same personality. It is not

> possible, Kersten asserts, to disprove that Christ went to India.

The

> current information documenting Christ's life is restricted to the

> gospels and the work of Church theologians. One can hardly trust

> these sources to be objective considering their obvious interest in

> maintaining the authority of their Church and its grip on the

masses.

>

>

> The Russian scholar, Nicolai Notovich, was the first to suggest

that

> Christ may have gone to India. In 1887, Notovich, a Russian scholar

> and Orientalist, arrived in Kashmir during one of several journeys

to

> the Orient. At the Zoji-la pass Notovich was a guest in a Buddhist

> monastery, where a monk told him of the bhodisattva saint

> called "Issa". Notovich was stunned by the remarkable parallels of

> Issa's teachings and martyrdom with that of Christ's life,

teachings

> and crucifixion.

>

> For about sixteen years, Christ travelled through Turkey, Persia,

> Western Europe and possibly England. He finally arrived with Mary

to

> a place near Kashmir, where she died. After many years in Kashmir,

> teaching to an appreciative population, who venerated him as a

great

> prophet, reformer and saint, he died and was buried in a tomb in

> Kashmir itself.

>

> The first step in Christ's trail after the Crucifixion is found in

> the Persian scholar F. Mohammed's historical work "Jami-ut-tuwarik"

> which tells of Christ's arrival in the kingdom of Nisibis, by royal

> invitation. (Nisibis is today known as Nusaybin in Turkey) . This

is

> reiterated in the Imam Abu Jafar Muhammed's "Tafsi-Ibn-i-Jamir at-

> tubri." Kersten found that in both Turkey and Persia there are

> ancient stories of a saint called "Yuz Asaf" ("Leader of the

> Healed"), whose behaviour, miracles and teachings are remarkably

> similar to that of Christ.

>

> The many Islamic and Hindu historical works recording local history

> and legends of kings, noblemen and saints of the areas thought to

be

> travelled by Jesus also give evidence of a Christ like man; the

> Koran, for example, refers to Christ as "Issar". Further east, the

> Kurdish tribes of Eastern Anatolia have several stories describing

> Christ's stay in Eastern Turkey after his resurrection. These

> traditional legends have been ignored by the theological community.

>

> Kersten also suggests that prior to Christ's mission in the Middle

> East, he may have been exposed to Buddhist teachings in Egypt.

After

> his birth in Bethlehem, his family fled to Egypt to avoid Herod's

> persecution. Surprisingly some scholars now acknowledge that

Buddhist

> schools probably existed in Alexandria long before the Christian

era.

>

> More clues are drawn from the Apocrypha. These are texts said to

have

> been written by the Apostles but which are not officially accepted

by

> the Church. Indeed, the Church regards them as heresy since a

> substantial amount of the Apocrypha directly contradicts Church

dogma

> and theology. The Apocryphal 'Acts of Thomas', for example, tell

how

> Christ met Thomas several times after the Crucifixion. In fact they

> tell us how Christ sent Thomas to teach his spirituality in India.

> This is corroborated by evidence found in the form of stone

> inscriptions at Fatehpur Sikri, near the Taj Mahal, in Northern

> India. They include "Agrapha", which are sayings of Christ that

don't

> exist in the mainstream Bible. Their grammatical form is most

similar

> to that of the Apocryphal gospel of Thomas. This is but one example

> giving credibility to the idea that texts not recognised by the

> Church hold important clues about Christ's true life and his

> teachings.

>

> In tracing Christ's movements to India and beyond, Kersten also

> discovered that many of his teachings, which have been gradually

> edited out of the modern Bible were originally Eastern in nature.

> Principles such as karma and re-incarnation, for example, were

common

> knowledge then, and seem to have been reaffirmed by Christ. Imagine

> the implications that this discovery holds for Western Christianity

> and its churches, who have kept Christ in their doctrinal top

pockets

> and have constrained the entire Western culture within the narrow

> teachings of blind faith, organised religion and original sin!

>

> Further clues are cited from The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas, and the

> Gospel of Thomas which are of Syrian origin and have been dated to

> the 4th Century AD, or possibly earlier. They are Gnostic

Scriptures

> and despite the evidence indicating their authenticity, they are

not

> given credence by mainstream theologians. In these texts Thomas

tells

> of Christ's appearance in Andrapolis, Paphlagonia (today known as

in

> the extreme north of Anatolia) as a guest of the King of Andrappa.

> There he met with Thomas who had arrived separately. It is at

> Andrapolis that Christ entreated Thomas to go to India to begin

> spreading his teachings. It seems that Christ and Mary then moved

> along the West coast of Turkey, proof of this could be an old

> stopping place for travellers called the "Home of Mary", found

along

> the ancient silk route. From here Christ could easily have entered

> Europe via France. He may have even travelled as far as the British

> Isles, for in England there is an ancient oak tree called

> the "Hallowed Tree" which (says local legend) was planted by Christ

> himself.

>

> In his travels through Persia (today's Iran) Christ became known as

> Yuz Asaf (leader of the Healed). We know this because a Kashmiri

> historical document confirms that Isa (the Koranic name for Christ)

> was in fact also known as Yuz Asaf. The Jami - uf - Tamarik, Volume

> II, tells that Yuz Asaf visited Masslige, where he attended the

grave

> of Shem, Noah's son. There are various other accounts such as Agha

> Mustafa's "Awhali Shahaii-i-paras" that tell of Yuz Asaf's travels

> and teachings all over Persia. It seems that Yuz Asaf blessed

> Afghanistan and Pakistan with his presence also. There are for

> example two plains in Eastern Afghanistan near Gazni and Galalabad,

> bearing the name of the prophet Yuz Asaf. Again in the Apocryphal

> Acts of Thomas, Thomas says that he and Christ attended the Court

of

> King Gundafor of Taxila (now Pakistan), in about 47AD, and that

> eventually both the King and his brother accepted Christ's

teachings.

> Kersten claims that there are more than twenty one historical

> documents that bear witness to the existence of Jesus in Kashmir,

> where he was known also as Yuz Asaf and Issa. For example the

> Bhavishyat Mahapurana (volume 9 verses 17-32) contains an account

of

> Issa-Masih (Jesus the Messiah). It describes Christ's arrival in

the

> Kashmir region of India and his encounter with King Shalivahana,

who

> ruled the Kushan area (39-50AD), and who entertained Christ as a

> guest for some time.

>

> {Christ's life in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current

> Church teachings at their very foundation. The theology of Saint

> Paul, the major influence on modern Christianity, is empty

fanaticism

> in the light of this discovery.|

>

> The historian Mullah Nadini (1413) also recounts a story of Yuz

Asaf

> who was a contemporary to King Gopadatta, and confirms that he also

> used the name Issar, ie. Jesus. There is also much historical truth

> in the towns and villages of Northern India to prove that Jesus and

> his mother Mary spent time in the area. For instance, at the border

> of a small town called Mari, there is nearby a mountain called

Pindi

> Point, upon which is an old tomb called Mai Mari da Asthan or "The

> final resting place of Mary". The tomb is said to be very old and

> local Muslims venerate it as the grave of Issa's (ie Christ's)

> Mother. The tomb itself is oriented East-West consistent with the

> Jewish tradition, despite the fact it is within a Muslim area.

> Assuming its antiquity, such a tomb could not be Hindu either since

> the Hindus contemporary to Christ cremated their dead and scattered

> their ashes as do Hindus today.

>

> Following Christ's trail into Kashmir, 40km south of Srinagar,

> between the villages of Naugam and Nilmge is a meadow called Yuz-

Marg

> (the meadow of Yuz Asaf, ie. Jesus). Then there is the sacred

> building called Aish Muqam, 60km south east of Srinagar and 12km

from

> Bij Bihara. "Aish" says Kersten is derived from "Issa" and "Muqam"

> place of rest or repose. Within the Aish Muqam is a sacred relic

> called the 'Moses Rod' or the 'Jesus Rod', which local legend says,

> belonged to Moses himself. Christ is said to also have held it,

> perhaps to confirm his Mosaic heritage. Above the town of Srinagar

is

> a temple known as "The Throne of Solomon", which dates back to at

> least 1000BC, which King Gopadatta had restored at about the same

> time as Christ's advent. The restoration was done by a Persian

> architect who personally left four inscriptions on the side steps

of

> the temple. The third and fourth inscription read: "At this time

Yuz

> Asaf announced his prophetic calling in Year 50 and 4" and "He is

> Jesus -- Prophet of the Sons of Israel"! Herein lies a powerful

> confirmation of Kersten's theory. Kersten suggests that Christ may

> have travelled to the South of India also, finally returning to

> Kashmir to die at the age of approximately 80 years. Christ's tomb,

> says Kersten, lies in Srinagar's old town in a building called

> Rozabal. "Rozabal" is an abbreviation of Rauza Bal, meaning "tomb

of

> a prophet". At the entrance there is an inscription explaining that

> Yuz Asaf is buried along with another Moslem saint. Both have

> gravestones which are oriented in North-South direction, according

to

> Moslem tradition. However, through a small opening the true burial

> chamber can be seen, in which there is the Sarcophagus of Yuz Asaf

in

> East-West (Jewish) orientation!

>

> According to Professor Hassnain, who has studied this tomb, there

are

> carved footprints on the grave stones and when closely examined,

> carved images of a crucifix and a rosary. The footprints of Yuz

Asaf

> have what appear to be scars represented on both feet, if one

assumes

> that they are crucifixion scars, then their position is consistent

> with the scars shown in the Turin Shroud (left foot nailed over

> right). Crucifixion was not practised in Asia, so it is quite

> possible that they were inflicted elsewhere, such as the Middle

East.

> The tomb is called by some as "Hazrat Issa Sahib" or "Tomb of the

> Lord Master Jesus". Ancient records acknowledge the existence of

the

> tomb as long ago as 112AD. The Grand Mufti, a prominent Muslim

> Cleric, himself has confirmed that Hazrat Isa Sahib is indeed the

> tomb of Yuz Asaf!

>

> Thus Kersten deduces that the tomb of Jesus Christ Himself is in

> Kashmir!

>

> The implications of Kersten's discovery are monumental. Christ's

life

> in India, after the crucifixion, challenges current Church

teachings

> at their very foundation. The theology of Saint Paul, the major

> influence on modern Christianity, is empty fanaticism in the light

of

> this discovery. Threatened also are the doctrines of obedience to

the

> Church, original sin, salvation through blind faith and the non-

> existence of reincarnation, etc. Yet these ideas underlie the

> morality and ethics, (or lack of them), that govern the entire

> Western social structure, from the legal system to medical health

> care schemes. It is no wonder that the modern Churches and their

> secular interests refuse to consider such a proposition as

Kersten's!

>

> The Synopsis of "Jesus Lived In India" by Holger Kersten was

written

> by Dr Ramesh Manocha & Anna Potts.

>

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[Guest guest]

Ammachi, "Mike Jamieson" <mdj1950> wrote:

> The historian Mullah Nadini (1413) also recounts a story of Yuz

Asaf

> who was a contemporary to King Gopadatta, and confirms that he

also

> used the name Issar, ie. Jesus. There is also much historical

truth

> in the towns and villages of Northern India to prove that Jesus

and

> his mother Mary spent time in the area. For instance, at the

border

> of a small town called Mari, there is nearby a mountain called

Pindi

> Point, upon which is an old tomb called Mai Mari da Asthan or "The

> final resting place of Mary". The tomb is said to be very old and

> local Muslims venerate it as the grave of Issa's (ie Christ's)

> Mother. The tomb itself is oriented East-West consistent with the

> Jewish tradition, despite the fact it is within a Muslim area.

> Assuming its antiquity, such a tomb could not be Hindu either

since

> the Hindus contemporary to Christ cremated their dead and

scattered

> their ashes as do Hindus today.

 

Fascinating story.

 

However, this piece is incorrect.

 

Hindu Saints are never created; they are buried and a 'samadhi'

(burial tomb) is built around the place. ... so the tomb could be

Hindu in character too.

 

My thought to all this is:

Who knows, and why should I care about all this?

 

CHANT YOUR MANTRA!

 

Jai Ma!