Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 In a message dated 5/5/04 7:13:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Ammachi writes: > Message: 4 > Wed, 05 May 2004 02:58:14 -0000 > "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari > Re: A few of points on the "outsourcing/conversion" discussion > > Not to get way off-topic here...but your contrast between the "Old > Testament" [Jewish] > G-d as "wrathful" and the "New Testament" [Christian] G-d as loving and > compassionate is one that always disturbs me. Yes, we see examples of wrath > in the > Hebrew scriptures, but we also see examples of deep love and compassion. > This is > also the kind of problem you see when you take the scriptures out of the > context in > which they have been understood. Yes, in the Hebrew scriptures, there is an > emphasis > on justice and righteousness, but there is also an emphasis on chesed > (lovingkindness) and Divine mercy (e.g., the 13 attributes of mercy, the > loving image > of G-d carrying us on eagles' wings, the story of Jonah). Similarly, the > Qu'ran contains, > on the surface, both profoundly wrathful and profoundly compassionate > passages -- > and it would be reductionistic to characterize Allah as simply "wrathful" on > that basis. > > You make an important point about not stereotyping individuals...and it's > also > important not to stereotype religions or their scriptures. > > Namah shivaya, > Iswari I am glad someone said this, Iswari. It is also too easy to caricature Judaism with this kind of familiar dichotomy. And, let us not forget that Calvinism, for example, a Protestant sect, held the fire-and-brimstone message par exellance, so obvioiusly christianity cannot claim that that message was only found in Old Testament. And the spanish Inquisition, which by the way, lasted hundreds of years , I reckon, was not exactly a loving message, now was it? And the idea of everylasting Hell is christian, not Jewish. Jewish teaching does not get into that, so again, let's not caricature Judaism as pure wrathful Deity and Christianity as lovey dovey. On the contrary they took Hell and everlasting torture to new heights!! Avram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Namah Shivaya, May I request we refrain from religion bashing? In Amma, Gabriela Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Ammachi, Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027> wrote: > Namah Shivaya, > > May I request we refrain from religion bashing? > > In Amma, > Gabriela It's a difficult issue in India. I just sent an article that describes the concerns over changing religious demographics in Kerala. (Which is mostly a secular, left-leaning state where the Communist Party has a lot of influence and power--i.e. support.) I think that's the context for what people have been talking about. >From what I've seen/heard from Ammachi, she is obviously pro- Christian. > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Ammachi, Gabriela Rios <gabriela1027> wrote: > Namah Shivaya, > > May I request we refrain from religion bashing? > http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html Above is the link to a translation of the Gospel of Thomas. Thomas the one who went to India. Scholars think now that it represents the most accurate representation of what Jesus said. It has a definite non-dualistic "spirit" to it. And, an emphasis on the "kingdom of heaven" as being everpresent, accessible here and now (and not at some distant time, or as a result of being rewarded in some future time). Some sections of this gospel were added onto to, at 2 different times (with influences from Gnostic writings and the Gospel of John). But, in it's original state it appears to be based on a very early collection of Jesus' sayings (without biographical material). Hope that gives some balance to the picture of Christianity here. > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 Above is the link to a translation of the Gospel of > Thomas. Thomas > the one who went to India. This is a controversy, regarding StThomas arrival to India. Many consider it has fabrication of missionaries. Although Christianity reached India before it reached Rome, StThomas never visited India. Here is a link, that gives detail desciption about this myth, Foreward by famous Belgian Indologist Keonraad Elst. http://hamsa.org/01.htm regards Avinash. Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2004 Report Share Posted May 8, 2004 > > From what I've seen/heard from Ammachi, she is > obviously pro- > Christian. > I think Ammachi like all Hindu saints from India are pro-humanity. Say, a Yanumami from deep Amazon forests of Brazil visits Ammachi, she would be pro-Yanumami.Essence is the Human Beings, religions and idealogies are immaterial to Ammachi. regards Avinash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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