Guest guest Posted January 19, 2004 Report Share Posted January 19, 2004 Dear brothers and sisters, Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would only be open to those who accepted Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from her -- in which case, the confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, more recently, I was told that it is now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether or s/he accepts Amma as his or her spiritual teacher or has received mantra initiation, as long as the person acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, is committed to practicing it regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing it to others. I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru-disciple/devotee relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure? Iswari Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Dear Iswari, Aum Namah Shivaya. The course is coming from our beloved AMMA to us as a blessing to reach the ultimate. If we practice it we can step closer towards achieving the goal. Always we as a human being needs to question each and everything with our intellect. Cann't we assume that there is some thing that which AMMA meant by keeping the secrecy and which we do not need to know. Accept things as it is. Why should we be worried over the secrecy part of it. There may be a reason behind it which we do not know. As far as we are concerned, we should learn it from a designated trainer of Ashram. Here there is two aspects of the human mind....1. We need to learn the technique fully 2. We need to question also with the intellect. Unless and until we do not surrender completely and accept fully who ever our Guru is, OUR SPIRITUAL PROGRESS WILL BE WITH A LOT OF STRUGGLE. I remember the words of Swami Amritaswaroopanandaji when he came few years back to Dubai. (I am from Dubai). "Few devotees went and complained to him that they are not getting the full information from Ashram with regard to UAE activities, as it is, fresh, due to a lot of screening of the Information. So they suggested that few more people should be made aware of the "New information from Ashram" other than the existing devotees." His reply was by way of a question to the same group of people about few incidents in our life..... He asked Will you tell your wife all the things that is happening in the Office Mr. Husband? Will you tell your child what you are suppose to tell your wife? Will you tell your neighbour what you are suppose to tell your wife? For everything in life we are already doing our own screening. In a similar manner in the Ashram for example..he said , I am the Sr. Swami and If I think that all AMMA's communications/instructions to other Swamis and Ashramites should come through me, will it happen? Is it good? He said there is a capacity for everyone to absorb information. So Information should be classified and can only be to a particular person according to his capacity to absorb. For example AMMA may say to Swami Paramatmanadapuri only what she needs to tell him, she may say to Swami Poornamritananda Puri only what she needs to tell and like that....She may even call a new Ashramite who joined yesterday to discuss an Important matter. IF I NEED TO KNOW ALL THESE is it wise?? So he said...to accept the situation as it is "YOU ARE ONLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE INFORMATION WHAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED. YOU ARE ALLOWED TO KNOW ONLY THAT". If it is meant for you, you will be the only person to know about it. SO IN THE CONTEXT OF I AM TECHNIQUE why can not we accept the situation as, what we need to know about the Technique, they taught us in the course. If we are to question with our intellect each and everything then we should not have attended the course...(I do not know whether you did the course or not). ONLY AMMA KNOW THE REASON OF SECRECY. Are we questioning AMMA??? Aum Amriteswaryai Namah. ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: Dear brothers and sisters, Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would only be open to those who accepted Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from her -- in which case, the confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, more recently, I was told that it is now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether or s/he accepts Amma as his or her spiritual teacher or has received mantra initiation, as long as the person acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, is committed to practicing it regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing it to others. I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru-disciple/devotee relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure? Iswari Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Blessed soul, In the first place, why do you have to worry about these things? Practise is all you have to do. Actually before i had taken the course at amritapuri, i had a discussion with a inmate of the Ashram on the secrecy aspect of the course. The reasons, i came to know are two: 1. most of the ppl who learn the technque are not ppl who understand the value of this technique, or for that matter the great tradition of Yoga. For them its more or less a fad... ppl just go around and say .. "I learn this & that there". So there is a need to instill a bit seriousness in the practise. 2. The "I AM TECNIQUE" in fact is a very advanced method. There are similar techiques in the Yogavashishtam (one of the most advanced texts of Yoga). anyone who goes around and acts a self proclaimed instructor, will put ppl in serious trouble with their nervous system. In fact, mistakes will create very serious irreversable complications. Once Br. Girish who drives Amma car once told me that none of the sanyasis who accompany Amma, have ever understood Her ways. So its easier for us if we could just accept whatever that comes from Amma as it is. One who goes inward will never worry on these aspects of the ways of the Sat Guru. at Her Lotus Feet, arunmon. ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: Dear brothers and sisters, Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would only be open to those who accepted Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from her -- in which case, the confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, more recently, I was told that it is now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether or s/he accepts Amma as his or her spiritual teacher or has received mantra initiation, as long as the person acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, is committed to practicing it regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing it to others. I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru-disciple/devotee relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure? Iswari Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more.Download now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Rest assured, I was not worried, only curious why the technique was being presented so differently than it was in the beginning. Please do not make these presumptions. My spiritual station and development are between me and Amma, thank you. Sincerely, Iswari Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." <mydeararunraj> wrote: > > In the first place, why do you have to worry about these things? Practise is all you have to do. > > One who goes inward will never worry on these aspects of the ways of the Sat Guru. > > at Her Lotus Feet, > arunmon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Om Namah Shivaya, That was a very well thought out response, and a considerate one. There are many points made that I, personally, can take to heart. However in defense of Iswari I must point out that some seem to assume there was a judgement implied in his question. I submit that it was only a question, as he said, because he was curious. I don't think we ought to make assumptions beyone what is stated. In other words, I don't think he meant to imply that he disapproved of the secrecy, but was only curious about it. That said, I think it's okay to question or to not question, depending on each of our dispositions. Surrender means different things to different people. One more thing - Amma Herself has not written the text about the IAM technique that we've all read on the websites, and She is not the one teaching it around the country. Let's remember that everyone, save the Satguru, is fallible. Om Namah Shivaya, Anumati Ajith Kumar Varma <aji_sheeja wrote: Dear Iswari, Aum Namah Shivaya. The course is coming from our beloved AMMA to us as a blessing to reach the ultimate. If we practice it we can step closer towards achieving the goal. SO IN THE CONTEXT OF I AM TECHNIQUE why can not we accept the situation as, what we need to know about the Technique, they taught us in the course. If we are to question with our intellect each and everything then we should not have attended the course...(I do not know whether you did the course or not). ONLY AMMA KNOW THE REASON OF SECRECY. Are we questioning AMMA??? Aum Amriteswaryai Namah. Iswari wrote: I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru-disciple/devotee relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure? Iswari "A real yogi is one who can maintain a peaceful mind in the midst of any crisis." - Mata Amritanandamayi Devi Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Dear Anumati, Thank you. I simply asked an innocent question out of curiosity, and people who know next to nothing about me or my faith or my relationship with Amma are taking it upon themselves to assume, judge and offer spiritual correction to me. I realize that what was offered was well-meaning, and that some general wisdom was contained therein. I just felt like it was offered in a presumptuous way. Namah shivaya, Iswari P.S. I am a she, not a he! =) Ammachi, Anumati <anumati_devi> wrote: > Om Namah Shivaya, > > That was a very well thought out response, and a considerate one. There are many points made that I, personally, can take to heart. However in defense of Iswari I must point out that some seem to assume there was a judgement implied in his question. I submit that it was only a question, as he said, because he was curious. I don't think we ought to make assumptions beyone what is stated. In other words, I don't think he meant to imply that he disapproved of the secrecy, but was only curious about it. > > That said, I think it's okay to question or to not question, depending on each of our dispositions. Surrender means different things to different people. > > One more thing - Amma Herself has not written the text about the IAM technique that we've all read on the websites, and She is not the one teaching it around the country. Let's remember that everyone, save the Satguru, is fallible. > > Om Namah Shivaya, > Anumati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Oops - Sorry Iswari! The unfamiliar name threw me! Although now that I pay attention, I realize that it is obviously a woman's name. P.S. I am a she, not a he! =) "A real yogi is one who can maintain a peaceful mind in the midst of any crisis." - Mata Amritanandamayi Devi Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Namaste, On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:56:05 +0000 (GMT), Ajith Kumar Varma <aji_sheeja wrote: <snip> > ONLY AMMA KNOW THE REASON OF SECRECY. Are we questioning AMMA??? Why is there doubt about the reason? This is no mystery - it is standard procedure for techniques to be confidential because the teaching is transmitted by guru param-para, authorized disciplic succession (whether or not Ammachi is one's guru) and the technique works as the guru's gift. It is really the guru who is working, the technique works because of the guru, and that *contact* is virtually essential. The guru's sankalpa - resolve - establishes the conditions of transmission and her blessing flows in that line. The guru can also modify or even simpify instructions for the individual sadhana. There's a story of a man who went to a guru and asked for initiation. The guru said to do japa 108 times daily on a simple little mantra of three words. After a little practice the disciple thought this was too easy and he didn't anticipate results from something so simple, so he went to the guru again to ask for a more challenging assignment. The guru gave him a long mantra with dozens of bijas "Om Shrim Hrim Krim Hum Aim Phat Krom Svaha Klim Hum Hraum Drim Sphem Plrem Klrim Svaha Thah Prim Tham Tham Thah Thah Sphim" etc. and told him to recite it 108,000 times per day. The disciple was elated and thanked the guru profusely. The guru replied, "You are welcome, but it will do no more for you than the other mantra - I graciously put all I had for you in those three short words!" This is why we don't ordinarily learn techniques, e.g. mantras, in an impersonal way from books: we risk missing out on the guru's grace. Pranams to all Mother's Children, Ramlal -- Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine Avatara-Varishthaya Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Aum Namah Sivaya! Thank you Arun for the info. I understand you are from India. It was wise of you not to respond to Iswari's defensive statements. The ego keeps on defending endlessly. Many of the people in the west do not have the traditional qualities that most of you indians & other easterns have. Sraddha is a quality of vital importance. People who do not have that, go round in circles all their lives, misleading themselves and others around them. I learnt from an inmate of Amritapuri Ashram that, its a part of India's sacred tradition of "guru parampara", that Amma disallows charging a fee for this invaluable course. But as part of tradition, the student has the duty of offering something to the Guru at the end of the course, as a mark of gratefulness. Here in the US, we say, "there is nothing called free lunch". only if you have to pay a high price for something will most people value it. Arun, please continue participating in the group, more actively. What are the various obstacles, mistakes & hazards encountered while practising "I AM TECHNIQUE"? ever in Her embrace, Shirly. P.S: Sorry to say this... but, i find it a bit odd, that someone who calls herself ammas iswari, doubts Amma's words & dictums. Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." <mydeararunraj> wrote: > Blessed soul, > > In the first place, why do you have to worry about these things? Practise is all you have to do. > > Actually before i had taken the course at amritapuri, i had a discussion with a inmate of the Ashram on the secrecy aspect of the course. > > The reasons, i came to know are two: > > 1. most of the ppl who learn the technque are not ppl who understand the value of this technique, or for that matter the great tradition of Yoga. For them its more or less a fad... ppl just go around and say .. "I learn this & that there". So there is a need to instill a bit seriousness in the practise. > > 2. The "I AM TECNIQUE" in fact is a very advanced method. There are similar techiques in the Yogavashishtam (one of the most advanced texts of Yoga). anyone who goes around and acts a self proclaimed instructor, will put ppl in serious trouble with their nervous system. In fact, mistakes will create very serious irreversable complications. > > Once Br. Girish who drives Amma car once told me that none of the sanyasis who accompany Amma, have ever understood Her ways. So its easier for us if we could just accept whatever that comes from Amma as it is. > > One who goes inward will never worry on these aspects of the ways of the Sat Guru. > > at Her Lotus Feet, > arunmon. ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > Dear brothers and sisters, > > Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would only be open to those who accepted > Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from her -- in which case, the > confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, more recently, I was told that it is > now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether or s/he accepts Amma as his or > her spiritual teacher or has received mantra initiation, as long as the person > acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, is committed to practicing it > regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing it to others. > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru-disciple/devotee > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure? > > Iswari > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > > devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > > could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more.Download now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Aum Amriteswaryi Namah! Dear Shirly, Eventhough, such critisism makes the sleepy ones sit up and take notice of the activity, i dont think prolonging it might be of any advantage to anyone. After all, each one of us are resposible for safeguarding the sanctity of the guidelines of the group. I also understand that, lack of faith in Amma's words is intolerable to many of us in the group. So, Iswari, please think twice before you type in your next question. Regarding the mistakes & hazards encountered during practise, its better you contact Br. Nijamrita Chaitanya (nijamrita) . Nijamrita swami is an authorised tutor of I AM Technique. Regading the obstacles to meditation, i have added the file named Obstacles 2 Meditation.pdf to the files section of the group. Yoga texts prescribe solutions to each of these obstacles. You may contact your nearest yoga teacher for the solution to your specific problem. Or you may contact me directly, i can check up the text for you and sent you the solution prescribed as soon as possible. at Her Lotus Feet arunmon. shirlybaburajan <shirlybaburajan wrote: Aum Namah Sivaya! Thank you Arun for the info. I understand you are from India. It was wise of you not to respond to Iswari's defensive statements. The ego keeps on defending endlessly. Many of the people in the west do not have the traditional qualities that most of you indians & other easterns have. Sraddha is a quality of vital importance. People who do not have that, go round in circles all their lives, misleading themselves and others around them. I learnt from an inmate of Amritapuri Ashram that, its a part of India's sacred tradition of "guru parampara", that Amma disallows charging a fee for this invaluable course. But as part of tradition, the student has the duty of offering something to the Guru at the end of the course, as a mark of gratefulness. Here in the US, we say, "there is nothing called free lunch". only if you have to pay a high price for something will most people value it. Arun, please continue participating in the group, more actively. What are the various obstacles, mistakes & hazards encountered while practising "I AM TECHNIQUE"? ever in Her embrace, Shirly. P.S: Sorry to say this... but, i find it a bit odd, that someone who calls herself ammas iswari, doubts Amma's words & dictums. Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." <mydeararunraj> wrote: > Blessed soul, > > In the first place, why do you have to worry about these things? Practise is all you have to do. > > Actually before i had taken the course at amritapuri, i had a discussion with a inmate of the Ashram on the secrecy aspect of the course. > > The reasons, i came to know are two: > > 1. most of the ppl who learn the technque are not ppl who understand the value of this technique, or for that matter the great tradition of Yoga. For them its more or less a fad... ppl just go around and say .. "I learn this & that there". So there is a need to instill a bit seriousness in the practise. > > 2. The "I AM TECNIQUE" in fact is a very advanced method. There are similar techiques in the Yogavashishtam (one of the most advanced texts of Yoga). anyone who goes around and acts a self proclaimed instructor, will put ppl in serious trouble with their nervous system. In fact, mistakes will create very serious irreversable complications. > > Once Br. Girish who drives Amma car once told me that none of the sanyasis who accompany Amma, have ever understood Her ways. So its easier for us if we could just accept whatever that comes from Amma as it is. > > One who goes inward will never worry on these aspects of the ways of the Sat Guru. > > at Her Lotus Feet, > arunmon. ammasiswari <ammasiswari> wrote: > Dear brothers and sisters, > > Initially, I was told that the IAM technique would only be open to those who accepted > Amma as their guru and had received a mantra from her -- in which case, the > confidentiality thing made perfect sense. However, more recently, I was told that it is > now being offered to anyone, regardless of whether or s/he accepts Amma as his or > her spiritual teacher or has received mantra initiation, as long as the person > acknowledges that the technique comes from Amma, is committed to practicing it > regularly, and promises to refrain from revealing it to others. > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a guru-disciple/devotee > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the technique pure? > > Iswari > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > > (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > > teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > > wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > > devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > > could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > > Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > Links > > > Ammachi/ > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more.Download now. > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ Ammachi India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more.Download now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Dear List Members, fellow Amma devotees, brothers and sisters... Make no mistake; our sister Iswari is devoted to Amma! She does not question what Amma says. In fact, Iswari has taught me great lessons on being humble, taking what Amma says to heart (even if it hurts to do so), and understanding that pain is very real and must be felt and dealt with so we can move on. Rarely in my life have I seen someone go through such trying times as she and still emerge on the other side of the woods with greater faith and devotion than ever before! Iswari is a good person, a good devotee, and a good friend. She was simply curious and I'm POSITIVE she did NOT mean to offend ANYONE. She loves her Amma! Amma knows this, be sure! With love, At Amma's feet, Humbly, Niseema Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 - Arun Raj B. Ammachi Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:15 PM Re: Re: Confidentiality of IAM technique? Aum Amriteswaryi Namah! Dear Shirly, Eventhough, such critisism makes the sleepy ones sit up and take notice of the activity, i dont think prolonging it might be of any advantage to anyone. After all, each one of us are resposible for safeguarding the sanctity of the guidelines of the group. I also understand that, lack of faith in Amma's words is intolerable to many of us in the group. So, Iswari, please think twice before you type in your next question. I have been making every effort I can to stay out of this because after a similar occurance with one of my posts, I realized that, as a dear brother suggested, I had indeed reacted strongly; this in turn, led me to realize that by doing so, I had given my ego a major boost and had become dis-eased in my own mind. But - and I am aware that my ego is twice as tall as I am by now - I find this response really unsettling. The suggestion - one I happen to agree with - is made that our continuation of this may not be conducive to our spiritual growth- but then the response goes on to prolong it by suggesting that Iswari's way of doing things is intolerable and she should take care not to rattle those particular list members in the future!!!! Well, this may well do just that but I have yet to see where any one of us has Amma's permission to rule on the questions that can/cannot be asked of Her - or that She has given any of us permission to decide what is/is not a lack of faith....I assumed only fully illuminded souls had the power to see another's heart and to know their intent... I personally believe that Amma guides me into a closer relationship by bringing half-formed questions to the forefront of my mind, and then allowing me to wear myself out to the point of surrendering and asking Her to provide the answers when She feels it is right to do so. And before I am reminded that complete surrender is part of the agreement between guru and devotee, I'll state that I am aware of this - my point is that Mother MAY lead each of us to complete surrender according to our needs and in Her own time. It was wise of you not to respond to Iswari's defensive statements. The ego keeps on defending endlessly. And it keeps on judging, too; sometimes it even deems itself worthy of giving high fives! Many of the people in the west do not have the traditional qualities that most of you indians & other easterns have. I'm not even sure what this means, but as long as Mother says I'm Her daughter, I won't worry much about whether my characteristics are Eastern or Western. Sraddha is a quality of vital importance. People who do not have that, go round in circles all their lives, misleading themselves and others around them. Alternatively, they might also arrive at Sraddha by Mother's grace and guidance. What are the various obstacles, mistakes & hazards encountered while practising "I AM TECHNIQUE"? Mother, I apologize right now for this naughtiness: Shirly, if you didn't personally receive Amma's "words & dictums" on this, perhaps it was not something to be questioned. You aren't doubting Her, are you? ever in Her embrace, Shirly. P.S: Sorry to say this... but, i find it a bit odd, that someone who calls herself ammas iswari, doubts Amma's words & dictums. I am also surpised that a devotee would question Iswari's use of her spiritual name because she asked a question - since Amma gave her that name, I wonder whether the devotee questioning Iswari isn't, in fact, questioning Mother as well. If Amma personally named her daughter Iswari, shouldn't it be accepted that She deemed Iswari -questions and all - worthy of it? Snehalata > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Links Ammachi/ Ammachi India Mobile: Ringtones, Wallpapers, Picture Messages and more.Download now. Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi/ b.. Ammachi c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Ammachi, "shirlybaburajan" <shirlybaburajan> wrote: > P.S: Sorry to say this... but, i find it a bit odd, that someone who > calls herself ammas iswari, doubts Amma's words & dictums. The observable fact is that I asked a question. This attribution of doubt is an interpretation that is best left to Amma, the only one who knows our hearts. And I wonder...what is the purpose of questioning my use of the name that Amma gave me? Many call themselves Amma's children, but few have attained a state of spiritual perfection. Does this mean we should not refer to ourselves as Hers? Sincerely, Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Dear Ramlal, Thank you for answering my question so clearly and succinctly. That is all I wanted to know, and all I need to understand about this. This was never about my doubting Amma's reason, only about perhaps not being as familiar as some of the others here on the list about this sort of "standard procedure." So, I appreciate your response. =) Namaste, Iswari Ammachi, Ramlal <conte@i...> wrote: > > ONLY AMMA KNOW THE REASON OF SECRECY. Are we questioning AMMA??? > > Why is there doubt about the reason? This is no mystery - it is standard > procedure for techniques to be confidential because the teaching is > transmitted by guru param-para, authorized disciplic succession (whether > or not Ammachi is one's guru) and the technique works as the guru's gift. > It is really the guru who is working, the technique works because of the > guru, and that *contact* is virtually essential. > > The guru's sankalpa - resolve - establishes the conditions of transmission > and her blessing flows in that line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." <mydeararunraj> wrote: > I also understand that, lack of faith in Amma's words is intolerable to many of us in the group. So, Iswari, please think twice before you type in your next question. It has never been my intention to offend anyone. I truly do not believe that my wondering about this question was an act of faithlessness, although you will interpret my motivations as you perceive them. Please keep in mind that I am a westerner, and, while I do not think this makes me less of a devotee in Amma's eyes, I do not always have the kind of basic knowledge about some of these practices and procedures that the Indians devotees do. I will always try to be respectful, but I'm not going to refrain from asking a genuine question because it might upset someone. And even if it was the case that my question was rooted in some deficit of faith... It's been my experience that there are devotees of all degrees of faith and knowledge around Amma, and I don't see Her telling those who may not be as far advanced as others that their lack of faith or knowledge is "intolerable." So, why is this anyone else's prerogative, as long as people are sincere in their striving? Namaste, Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Namaskar, Those who have been writing opinions on Iswari should please re-read these two posts, below. They will find that Iswari was merely picking up on Mike's engaging but rather brash tone in the thread's initial post. That's how it all got started, in fact. LOL!! All this sermonizing and speculation - and to what end? The critics don't even have the right person in their sights! Love, Ramlal On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:20:40 -0000, ammasiswari <ammasiswari wrote: <snip> > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a > guru-disciple/devotee > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the > technique > pure? > > Iswari > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: >> Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" >> (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this >> teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we >> wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma >> devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators >> could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. >> Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! -- Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine Avatara-Varishthaya Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 Uh-oh, Mike...watch out! ;-) *grin* Love, Iswari Ammachi, Ramlal <conte@i...> wrote: > Namaskar, > > Those who have been writing opinions on Iswari should please re-read these > two posts, below. They will find that Iswari was merely picking up on > Mike's engaging but rather brash tone in the thread's initial post. > > That's how it all got started, in fact. > > LOL!! All this sermonizing and speculation - and to what end? The > critics don't even have the right person in their sights! > > Love, > Ramlal > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:20:40 -0000, ammasiswari <ammasiswari> > wrote: > > <snip> > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a > > guru-disciple/devotee > > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the > > technique > > pure? > > > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > >> Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > >> (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > >> teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > >> wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > >> devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > >> could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > >> Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > -- > Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya > Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine > Avatara-Varishthaya > Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 As Amma welcomes us all to Her family, everyone should be mindful that Ammachi's devotees constitute a range of religious traditions and feeling as well as cultures. For many Jews, Gnostics, and Sufis it's intrinsic to grapple with the divine. I don't believe that this is an unfamiliar thing to Hindus or Indians either. Although I trust the mettle of Amma, I'm no fundamentalist. Even if She told me to jump off a cliff.. I would not hesitate to hesitate because I'm no "blind faith" person. I believe in questioning in order to acquire faith. I accept Amma now as my Spiritual Master because I questioned Her first. Jai Ma! Ammachi, "ammasiswari" <ammasiswari> wrote: > Ammachi, "Arun Raj B." <mydeararunraj> wrote: > > > I also understand that, lack of faith in Amma's words is intolerable to many of us in > the group. So, Iswari, please think twice before you type in your next question. > > It has never been my intention to offend anyone. I truly do not believe that my > wondering about this question was an act of faithlessness, although you will interpret > my motivations as you perceive them. Please keep in mind that I am a westerner, and, > while I do not think this makes me less of a devotee in Amma's eyes, I do not always > have the kind of basic knowledge about some of these practices and procedures that > the Indians devotees do. I will always try to be respectful, but I'm not going to refrain > from asking a genuine question because it might upset someone. > > And even if it was the case that my question was rooted in some deficit of faith... > > It's been my experience that there are devotees of all degrees of faith and knowledge > around Amma, and I don't see Her telling those who may not be as far advanced as > others that their lack of faith or knowledge is "intolerable." So, why is this anyone > else's prerogative, as long as people are sincere in their striving? > > Namaste, > Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2004 Report Share Posted January 23, 2004 I can't believe that trouble maker Keval!! Up there with a DSL line, posting from his igloo!!! LOL Good work Ramlal! Ammachi, Ramlal <conte@i...> wrote: > Namaskar, > > Those who have been writing opinions on Iswari should please re- read these > two posts, below. They will find that Iswari was merely picking up on > Mike's engaging but rather brash tone in the thread's initial post. > > That's how it all got started, in fact. > > LOL!! All this sermonizing and speculation - and to what end? The > critics don't even have the right person in their sights! > > Love, > Ramlal > > > On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 01:20:40 -0000, ammasiswari <ammasiswari> > wrote: > > <snip> > > I'm just curious to know, if participation is not contingent on a > > guru-disciple/devotee > > relationship, what is the reason for the secrecy? Is it to keep the > > technique > > pure? > > > > Iswari > > > > Ammachi, Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > >> Major emphasis on the "Parama gupta" > >> (that's Sanskrit for 'top secret' BTW) aspect of this > >> teaching. We had to sign a legal affadavit that we > >> wouldn't reveal the technique to anyone, even to Amma > >> devotees who haven't taken the training. Violators > >> could be facing legal action in Alameda County court. > >> Don't fool with Gov. Schwarzenegger, boy! > > > -- > Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya > Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine > Avatara-Varishthaya > Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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