Ramakrishna & Yogananda

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Namah Sivay, Snehalataji,

 

 

I totally agree with you. You have the right to question. It is said that the

Guru will answer the query of the sincere disciple right away, if he has that

intense yearning to realise the truth, and its this yearning that the Guru is

yearning to see in the disciple.

 

 

A young man from cochin in kerala met Amma at Amritapuri in the year 1997. He

went to Her for darshan, and asked Her directly, without mincing any words, what

God was? Amma rolled in laughther hearing the question. At first, the young man

felt embarrased about asking a question he did not deserve to receive an answer

to. Amma in fact was overjoyed to see the intense craving for the awareness of

God within Her child. Amma after giving that 'peircing' look of Hers, asked him

to sit beside Her. He was swaying as he got up & walked to a space near Her.

That young man sat down and immediately assumed a unique yoga posture, sat there

for a long time and was later found trembing, as if he saw a ghost. He actually

had a glorious vision of Amma in Her Divine form.

 

 

>From that day on he was in & out of a samadhi like state of total bliss &

universal oneness & compassion. One of his friends once told me that the world

looks more of less like images on a screen to the young man, with he witnessing

every move completely detached.

 

 

This young man has very few friends, all of them sworn to secrecy on things

happening around him.

 

 

Regards & pranams,

arunmon.

 

 

Ramlal <conte wrote:

Namaskar, Snehalata and List!

 

Snehalata, thank you for writing, but your note is very heavy! I know you

reacted to what I wrote, but on reading your note, I am not clear that we

actually disagree at all. It wasn't my intention to disagree, and I am

not unhappy about the development of this thread; it has been quite

helpful. A few more comments below:

 

>> I, for one, believe we should leave large room for mystery. As Buddha

>> said when asked about the existence of gods and goddesses, "I don't

>> know." To which I would add, "I don't much care." God is what God is,

>> and far be it from us to try to classify and catalog the infinite

>> treasuries of the Divine personality in Incarnation.

>>

> I disagree with you with love and respect: Ramakrishna and Paramahansa

> Yogandanda both state quite clearly that we have a right (perhaps even

> responsibility) to question God about Himself/Herself...

> I originally asked the question about

> Amma/Ramakrishna and did not do so with any disrespect... as another list

> member mentioned, the connection/interactions between the "great ones" is

> strong and that possibility was what sparked my question.

 

That list member was me.

 

I am not saying not to question; just let's not assume our little minds

can contain answer and grasp the Matter at hand! Quite the contrary!

 

What "kind" of avatar was/is Ramakrishna? or Yogananda? or Ammachi?

Again, I don't know (and I don't much care!) Living out here in the

country, I got pretty excited finding a Bur Oak on my place, just one, in

the midst of countless Red Oak trees. And I like to identify and classify

all the various critters I find here in the course of my nature walks. But

we can't classify and categorize avatars like we can flowers and bugs!

Rumi says it pretty well:

 

"You should try to hear the name

the Holy One has for things.

There is something in the phrase:

'The Holy One has taught him names.'

 

"We name every thing according to the number of legs it has;

the other one names it according to what it has inside.

Moses waved his stick; he thought it was a 'rod,'

but inside its name was 'dragonish snake.'

 

"We thought the name of Umar was 'agitator against priests,'

but in eternity his name is 'the one who believes.'

No one knows our name

until our last breath goes out."

 

>> If I have offended anyone, I am deeply, deeply sorry for having begun

>> this

> thread

 

I am not offended. I just have some concerns. The Ramakrishna Order has

"lived with God" in the person of Sri Ramakrishna for over a hundred

years. They (and I with them) see Ramakrishna's form, talk with Him, and

experience His palpable touch every day! We have had no awareness of any

lack or absence of anything in Ramakrishna, and are rather bemused to be

told that He who never left us, has now returned!

 

>> We all delight in discovering our personal spiritual Ideal, our chosen

>> aspect of God, manifested in Amma. It would be well to simply leave it

>> at

>> that.

>

> For me that is not possible; Amma is my living guru and the Incarnation

> of

> God that I am closest to. I love Her with every cell in my body - but

> She

> did not direct my mantra to Herself. I am bound by my agreement with

> Her to

> respect others as well.

 

Pardon, but why is not possible to simply discover our Chosen Deity in

Ammachi, and having done so, to bow before the Mystery without getting

caught in controversial conceptualizations of name, form, and lineage, and

descent?

 

Love,

 

Ramlal

 

--

Om! Sthapakaya Ca Dharmasya

Sarva-Dharma-Svarupine

Avatara-Varishthaya

Ramakrishnaya Te Namaha!

 

Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha!

 

 

 

Ammachi/

 

 

Ammachi

 

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