Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Mark, I would be very interested but quite frankly i doubt if amma will ever agree to do so, particularly aghora tantra. During this years Devi bhava at seattle, I had a long argument with Amma on tantric mantras :-) i finally decided to give in to amma insistance, more out of concern that the amma's sevaks would throw me out. When it comes to tantra, Amma knows best; after all SHE is the essence of all tantra. these minor siddhies who talk of can be obtained with some NLP, deSilva method etc and like you said, they are nothing but distractions not worth pursuing at all. aum namasivaya yogaman Ammachi, "markasme" <markasme> wrote: > Namaste dear ones, > > I am writing this to see how much interest there is for a course on > Aghora Tantra if it were to be taught in Amma's centers. > > I have found that any worship of the Devi is tantric and a > practioner of the Aghora school of tantra can perform magical > actions like telepathy, and thought transference, even manipulation > (hopefully for good reasons) and paralysing the minds of others > (useful for women when attacked by a rapist or a murderer). > > The person doesn't have to be realized to be able to do perform such > magic. These are just minor siddhis that manifest and are often > considered unwanted distractions by serious students who want to be > realized. > > In Hindu Temples they have something called Abhishek and Archana > where they bathe the diety in milk, yogurt, honey, sandalwood and > dress her up. That is when the diety is supposed to bless those > present. The Devi Bhava is similar where Amma draws the Devi to > herself. > > So some of us are considering asking Amma to teach us Aghora Tantra, > if she will. We are planning to ask her this when we visit India > for her birthday celebrations. I wonder how much interest there is > amongst list members if we were to ask Amma to teach a course. > > Please keep in mind that Aghora Tantra is not for the weak at heart - > - "The Aghora Tantra Aghora sadhanas destroy everything down to the > ground of consciousness and rebuild from the bottom up. Then there > is nothing to fear, because the new personality is engineered to be > totally surrendered to the Will of God." > > So you will find that there are a lot of challenges in your life - > stuff you wouldn't have to face if you weren't exposing yourself to > Aghora tantra. > > Most gurus these days practice some form of tantra. So, keeping that > in mind, how many on this list would be interested in a course on > Aghora Tantra, if Amma were to agree to teach it? She may agree if > we show a strong interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 It's difficult for me to imagine Amma agreeing to teach us psychic powers and manipulation -- particularly since Her focus has been so much on teaching us surrender, acceptance, faith and love... Just my $0.02, Iswari --- markasme <markasme wrote: > I have found that any worship of the Devi is tantric > and a > practioner of the Aghora school of tantra can > perform magical > actions like telepathy, and thought transference, > even manipulation > (hopefully for good reasons) and paralysing the > minds of others > (useful for women when attacked by a rapist or a > murderer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Ammachi, "markasme" <markasme> wrote: > I don't know. Maybe Amma will teach it to us considering she already > practices it. If she says 'no', I will ask her "wouldn't it be safer > to learn it from her than from any charlatan on an Indian street? > That should melt any mother's heart. What do you think? LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you think Amma is practicing it- if i recall correctly there are some pretty tough practices at a cemetary, with a human skull etc(that vimalananda guy from the Aghora series by Svaboda). > > By the way, I loved your explanation for chanting the LS and > Mrityunjaya mantra. If you don't know how to chant them 'properly' > can you listen to them. > I personally think there is no substitute for chanting it; of course if you are in no position to chant it, then listen to it by all means. LS is tough in the beginning, but within a few weeks with an investment of 1/2 hour a day you should be able to get it right. I know of several Srividya upasaks who have got results nothing short of miracles. Aum Namasivaya yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 That comes with the practice. If you have observed most people who become devotees of Indian gurus suddenly have huge challenges and see a breakdown of life as they know it. That is because there is tantra in those paths which brings about surrender.... All I will be asking Amma is to learn those practices rather than be a spectator. There is a voice in me that is saying that she will agree, if not for the general public, for those who are strong enough to take charge of their lives. I have a very strong feeling Amma will agree. Ammachi, Ammas Iswari <ammas_iswari> wrote: > It's difficult for me to imagine Amma agreeing to > teach us psychic powers and manipulation -- > particularly since Her focus has been so much on > teaching us surrender, acceptance, faith and love... > > Just my $0.02, > Iswari > > --- markasme <markasme> wrote: > > > I have found that any worship of the Devi is tantric > > and a > > practioner of the Aghora school of tantra can > > perform magical > > actions like telepathy, and thought transference, > > even manipulation > > (hopefully for good reasons) and paralysing the > > minds of others > > (useful for women when attacked by a rapist or a > > murderer). > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you think Amma is practicing it- if i recall correctly there are some pretty tough practices at a cemetary, with a human skull etc(that vimalananda guy from the Aghora series by Svaboda). I personally think there is no substitute for chanting it; of course if you are in no position to chant it, then listen to it by all means. > > LS is tough in the beginning, but within a few weeks with an > investment of 1/2 hour a day you should be able to get it right. I > know of several Srividya upasaks who have got results nothing short > of miracles. > > Aum Namasivaya > yogaman Dear yogaman, I didn't know about the human skull part of it.May be we will skip that part. I think you mentioned that we should use flowers for LS puja. Can you please tell me how? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you think Amma is practicing > it- Yogaman, What does that mean? Is Amma really practising it? I mean, are there specific instances (of practice by Amma) that have been documented, or some events that you, or others, have witnessed? If so, would you mind sharing this with us? If you feel these experiences are too extreme, or inappropriate for a list of this nature, do you mind e-mailing me offline with the info at manoj_menon ? Much Thanks Manoj. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Namah Shivaya, Thought name 14 in Amma's 108 names could provide answers: 14. Om sunya-kalpa-vibhutaye namah ....to whom the yogic powers are of no importance (like the whole world is unimportant when in dissolution). Why yearn for such powers, when the one who is sarvatantrarūpá (form of all tantras) and sarvamantrasvarūpiņi (essence of all mantras) is right here in our midst? Jai Ma! Ravi --- manoj_menon <manoj_menon wrote: > Ammachi, "childofdevi" > <childofdevi> > wrote: > > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you think > Amma is > practicing > > it- > > Yogaman, > > What does that mean? Is Amma really practising it? > > I mean, are there specific instances (of practice by > Amma) that have > been documented, or some events that you, or others, > have witnessed? > > If so, would you mind sharing this with us? If you > feel these > experiences are too extreme, or inappropriate for a > list of this > nature, do you mind e-mailing me offline with the > info at > manoj_menon ? > > Much Thanks > Manoj. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Good point, Ravi. My impression was that Amma doesn't "practice" anything, she IS. --- Ravishankar Krishnan <ravkris wrote: > Namah Shivaya, > Thought name 14 in Amma's 108 names could provide > answers: > > 14. Om sunya-kalpa-vibhutaye namah > > ...to whom the yogic powers are of no importance > (like > the whole world is unimportant when in dissolution). > > Why yearn for such powers, when the one who is > sarvatantrarūpá (form of all tantras) and > sarvamantrasvarūpiņi (essence of all > mantras) is right here in our midst? > > Jai Ma! > Ravi > > > > --- manoj_menon <manoj_menon wrote: > > Ammachi, "childofdevi" > > <childofdevi> > > wrote: > > > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you > think > > Amma is > > practicing > > > it- > > > > Yogaman, > > > > What does that mean? Is Amma really practising it? > > > > > I mean, are there specific instances (of practice > by > > Amma) that have > > been documented, or some events that you, or > others, > > have witnessed? > > > > If so, would you mind sharing this with us? If you > > feel these > > experiences are too extreme, or inappropriate for > a > > list of this > > nature, do you mind e-mailing me offline with the > > info at > > manoj_menon ? > > > > Much Thanks > > Manoj. > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > Ammachi > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2003 Report Share Posted August 30, 2003 Yes, it has definitely been my experience that becoming a devotee has coincided with some of the biggest challenges I've ever faced (yikes!)...What I wonder is...what is this dichotomy between learning this set of specific practices vs. being a spectator? Although I've never formally learned any specific tantric practices, I've never felt like a spectator. Maybe you can explain more about what you mean? Namah Shivaya, Iswari --- ons20022001 <ons20022001 wrote: > That comes with the practice. If you have observed > most people who > become devotees of Indian gurus suddenly have huge > challenges and > see a breakdown of life as they know it. That is > because there is > tantra in those paths which brings about > surrender.... All I will be > asking Amma is to learn those practices rather than > be a spectator. > There is a voice in me that is saying that she will > agree, if not > for the general public, for those who are strong > enough to take > charge of their lives. I have a very strong feeling > Amma will agree. > > > > Ammachi, Ammas Iswari > <ammas_iswari> > wrote: > > It's difficult for me to imagine Amma agreeing to > > teach us psychic powers and manipulation -- > > particularly since Her focus has been so much on > > teaching us surrender, acceptance, faith and > love... > > > > Just my $0.02, > > Iswari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 I agree completely with this attitude, and probably live it too. I had this viewpoint even before and I still do have so.... but I thought it was interesting information (atleast the way yogaman's words were put), so I would still like to hear about if yogaman can provide more details, details that are specific to Amma's life and practices. Manoj. Ammachi, Miranda Soliz <msoliz2000> wrote: > Good point, Ravi. My impression was that Amma doesn't > "practice" anything, she IS. > > --- Ravishankar Krishnan <ravkris> wrote: > > Namah Shivaya, > > Thought name 14 in Amma's 108 names could provide > > answers: > > > > 14. Om sunya-kalpa-vibhutaye namah > > > > ...to whom the yogic powers are of no importance > > (like > > the whole world is unimportant when in dissolution). > > > > Why yearn for such powers, when the one who is > > sarvatantrarūpá (form of all tantras) and > > sarvamantrasvarūpiņi (essence of all > > mantras) is right here in our midst? > > > > Jai Ma! > > Ravi > > > > > > > > --- manoj_menon <manoj_menon> wrote: > > > Ammachi, "childofdevi" > > > <childofdevi> > > > wrote: > > > > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you > > think > > > Amma is > > > practicing > > > > it- > > > > > > Yogaman, > > > > > > What does that mean? Is Amma really practising it? > > > > > > > > I mean, are there specific instances (of practice > > by > > > Amma) that have > > > been documented, or some events that you, or > > others, > > > have witnessed? > > > > > > If so, would you mind sharing this with us? If you > > > feel these > > > experiences are too extreme, or inappropriate for > > a > > > list of this > > > nature, do you mind e-mailing me offline with the > > > info at > > > manoj_menon ? > > > > > > Much Thanks > > > Manoj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > Ammachi > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <manoj_menon> wrote: > Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> > wrote: > > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you think Amma is > practicing > > it- > > Yogaman, > > What does that mean? Is Amma really practising it? Manoj, Actually I was asking Markasme, why he thought amma was practicing it (should have put that as a separate sentence); mark can you clarify why you thought amma was practicing it??? I do know for a fact that much of amma's sadhana days are pretty much undocumented; i have heard a little bit from amma's converasations with others(though why the MOTHER should do any sadhana at all is beyond me LOL). it is probably that she did some sadhana in a cemetary/funeral grounds- other saints like yogananda too have done it. aum namasivaya yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 Ammachi, "manoj_menon" <manoj_menon> wrote: > Ammachi, "childofdevi" <childofdevi> > wrote: > > LOL. It certainly is worth a try, why do you think Amma is > practicing > > it- > > Yogaman, > > What does that mean? Is Amma really practising it? Manoj, Actually I was asking Markasme, why he thought amma was practicing it (should have put that as a separate sentence); mark can you clarify why you thought amma was practicing it??? I do know for a fact that much of amma's sadhana days are pretty much undocumented; i have heard a little bit from amma's converasations with others(though why the MOTHER should do any sadhana at all is beyond me LOL). it is probably that she did some sadhana in a cemetary/funeral grounds- other saints like yogananda too have done it. aum namasivaya yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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