Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Lisa: > I read about Werner's account in the book "Come Quickly, My Darling > Children". There is also a photo of him with Amma. It's funny, from > the account I read I didn't necessarily get the feeling that his > attainment was so significant, though, apparently, he spent countless > months in that meditation cave. It says, by the way, he's from > Switzerland. > I believe that he is the same man I met at Amma's Ashram in March/April 2000. He had just emerged from his "cave" after many years (15??). The westerners that were there had a party for him to celebrate his emergence. Someone ask me to take photographs, which I did. I forgot who the person was and she didn't mention it to me after so I still have them. The "cave" was actually a room underneath the Temple. The room was simply furnished but had a bed and bathroom facillities. I really didn't get a lot of feelings from him. At least, not what I would expect from someone who has done deep meditation in isolation for many, many years. But, that is my judgement. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Ammachi, pwhite0130@a... wrote: > Lisa: > > > I read about Werner's account in the book "Come Quickly, My Darling > > Children". There is also a photo of him with Amma. It's funny, from > > the account I read I didn't necessarily get the feeling that his > > attainment was so significant, though, apparently, he spent countless > > months in that meditation cave. It says, by the way, he's from > > Switzerland. > > > > I believe that he is the same man I met at Amma's Ashram in March/April 2000. > He had just emerged from his "cave" after many years (15??). > > The westerners that were there had a party for him to celebrate his > emergence. Someone ask me to take photographs, which I did. I forgot who the > person was and she didn't mention it to me after so I still have them. > > The "cave" was actually a room underneath the Temple. The room was simply > furnished but had a bed and bathroom facillities. > > I really didn't get a lot of feelings from him. At least, not what I would > expect from someone who has done deep meditation in isolation for many, many > years. But, that is my judgement. > > Peter > One would only hope that he would be self-realized after this. L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Oh now this list has become a bashing place for poor Werner just because Peter and other people think he is not special !!!!! What are the qualities by which we judge whether people are spiritual or not, or , self-realized or not I didn't know there was a rule that spending 15 years in solitary confinement produces self realized souls !!!! Considering the huge prison population here is US may be we should hang outside the prisons for a Guru !!! We are judging how spiritual he is and whether he is realized or not !!!! Now we can be happy that there is another normal guy like us !!! - lbrachlin <lalita120 Ammachi Friday, January 31, 2003 11:09 AM Re: _ Werner Ammachi, pwhite0130@a... wrote: > Lisa: > > > I read about Werner's account in the book "Come Quickly, My Darling > > Children". There is also a photo of him with Amma. It's funny, from > > the account I read I didn't necessarily get the feeling that his > > attainment was so significant, though, apparently, he spent countless > > months in that meditation cave. It says, by the way, he's from > > Switzerland. > > > > I believe that he is the same man I met at Amma's Ashram in March/April 2000. > He had just emerged from his "cave" after many years (15??). > > The westerners that were there had a party for him to celebrate his > emergence. Someone ask me to take photographs, which I did. I forgot who the > person was and she didn't mention it to me after so I still have them. > > The "cave" was actually a room underneath the Temple. The room was simply > furnished but had a bed and bathroom facillities. > > I really didn't get a lot of feelings from him. At least, not what I would > expect from someone who has done deep meditation in isolation for many, many > years. But, that is my judgement. > > Peter > One would only hope that he would be self-realized after this. L Sponsor Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2003 Report Share Posted January 31, 2003 Ammachi, "Ravi Chivukula" <ravichivukula@a...> wrote: > Oh now this list has become a bashing place for poor Werner just because Peter and other people think he is not special !!!!! > > What are the qualities by which we judge whether people are spiritual or not, or , self-realized or not > > I didn't know there was a rule that spending 15 years in solitary confinement produces self realized souls !!!! > > Considering the huge prison population here is US may be we should hang outside the prisons for a Guru !!! > > We are judging how spiritual he is and whether he is realized or not !!!! > > Now we can be happy that there is another normal guy like us !!! > > - > lbrachlin <lalita120@h...> > Ammachi > Friday, January 31, 2003 11:09 AM > Re: _ Werner > > > Ammachi, pwhite0130@a... wrote: > > Lisa: > > > > > I read about Werner's account in the book "Come Quickly, My > Darling > > > Children". There is also a photo of him with Amma. It's funny, > from > > > the account I read I didn't necessarily get the feeling that his > > > attainment was so significant, though, apparently, he spent > countless > > > months in that meditation cave. It says, by the way, he's from > > > Switzerland. > > > > > > > I believe that he is the same man I met at Amma's Ashram in > March/April 2000. > > He had just emerged from his "cave" after many years (15??). > > > > The westerners that were there had a party for him to celebrate his > > emergence. Someone ask me to take photographs, which I did. I > forgot who the > > person was and she didn't mention it to me after so I still have > them. > > > > The "cave" was actually a room underneath the Temple. The room was > simply > > furnished but had a bed and bathroom facillities. > > > > I really didn't get a lot of feelings from him. At least, not what > I would > > expect from someone who has done deep meditation in isolation for > many, many > > years. But, that is my judgement. > > > > Peter > > > > One would only hope that he would be self-realized after this. > > L Okay, you are quite right. We can drop this subject now. I'm sure through his tapas that he will attain or has attained everything. But it is just a lesson that there is something to be learned from everyone's story. Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 I am amused what comes up here about Werner. Certainly he is not an Amritapuri mainstream devotional aspirant and is not quoted by Amma in public as a shining example of virtue and realisation. He is one of Amma's early disciples but he didn't practiced the path of devotion (at least not the way the others did) and he left the ashram several times in dispute with Amma during his 20+ years of intensive sadhana. I am good friend with him. We met several times during the last 20 years and I was with him last year in switzerland. I am very grateful for the guidance and support he has given me freely during all the years. I felt often very lost with Amma's mission and my relationship with it all. Often I was confused and shocked by people breaking away suddenly from Amma. It was he who gave me another perspective. He respekts Ammachi in the same way or even more when he started his practice under her guidance, despite the fact that Amma has been making fun about his "realisation" and choice to live with a girl again after so many ascetic years. He is now living in Tiruvanamalai. He is also giving public satsangs with meditative sessions. To Peter He likes to behave and appear like a "normal" man. He doesn't want to attract people. He has not choosen for himself to create a following or a mission like Amma has choosen to create. He is offering guidance to those who seek it from him. That is all. Now I've revealed myself as a Werner fan! Greetings Lutz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 Ammachi, "Lutz <berlinertraum@c...>" <berlinertraum@c...> wrote: > I am amused what comes up here about Werner. Certainly he is not an > Amritapuri mainstream devotional aspirant and is not quoted by Amma > in public as a shining example of virtue and realisation. He is one > of Amma's early disciples but he didn't practiced the path of > devotion (at least not the way the others did) and he left the ashram > several times in dispute with Amma during his 20+ years of intensive > sadhana. > I am good friend with him. We met several times during the last 20 > years and I was with him last year in switzerland. I am very grateful > for the guidance and support he has given me freely during all the > years. I felt often very lost with Amma's mission and my relationship > with it all. Often I was confused and shocked by people breaking away > suddenly from Amma. It was he who gave me another perspective. He > respekts Ammachi in the same way or even more when he started his > practice under her guidance, despite the fact that Amma has been > making fun about his "realisation" and choice to live with a girl > again after so many ascetic years. > He is now living in Tiruvanamalai. He is also giving public satsangs > with meditative sessions. > > To Peter > He likes to behave and appear like a "normal" man. He doesn't want to > attract people. He has not choosen for himself to create a following > or a mission like Amma has choosen to create. > He is offering guidance to those who seek it from him. That is all. > > Now I've revealed myself as a Werner fan! > > Greetings > Lutz Dear Lutz, Thanks for your faithful account. I appreciate the report you've given on Werner...especially since he tells his story in "Come Quickly, My Darling Children" for all to read (a book of experiences by Western devotees.) What you've revealed is pretty much what I felt from his account. I haven't been with Amma as long as you have and my nature is one of a rather aloof yogini. I have felt Mother's grace and blessings in my meditation and life in a most powerful way and am most grateful for this...I can understand why people breaking away suddenly would be shocking and confusing and how wonderful to have someone like Werner help you through it. I, myself, would love to meet him someday if the opportunity ever presented itself to me. Thanks, Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2003 Report Share Posted February 4, 2003 In a message dated 1/31/2003 2:30:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, ravichivukula writes: > Oh now this list has become a bashing place for poor Werner just because > Peter and other people think he is not special !!!!! > I didn't say he was not special. I was only talking about the feelings I had in meeting him. My comments had nothing to do with Werner. I consider it a rare privilege to meet him on his "coming out" and admire his dedication to spent that amount of time in mediation. I takes a very great deal of effort to undertake such a rigorous sadhana. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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